Kor - making himself antag

[Aranclanos]

admin: korphareon

Time incident occured: today at 20hs server time
Detailed summary: kor decided to make himself a swarmer, completly trashing a round, ending up with 40 other active swarmers who basically were destroying everything at hand. After that point the deathsquads buttons were pressed two times I think and the nuclear bomb was activated, ending the round.
I don't really care about how the round ended up, I was encouraging to end it because of the swarmer domination (imagine it as when the aliens walk around freely in the station and there are no humans alive, that was the feeling of the round)
The complaint is targeted at the admin making himself the swarmer antag thing

[iamgoofball]

critical info: was it extended

[bandit]

I'd be interested to see logs on this because that's not how I remember things going down. I remember like two or three swarmer shells being spawned at roundstart. I clicked the first one, I don't know who clicked the other(s). Kor did spawn the shell(s) though.

Roundtype was gang.

[lollerderby]

[20:08:15]ADMIN: KorPhaeron/(Talos Valcoran) spawned /obj/item/unactivated_swarmer at (150,82,1)
[20:08:19]ACCESS: Login: Bgobandit/(Swarmer (921)) from -censored(ip/cid)- || BYOND v508
[20:08:23]ADMIN: KorPhaeron/(Talos Valcoran) spawned /obj/item/unactivated_swarmer at (149,82,1)
[20:08:26]ACCESS: Login: Aloraydrel/(Swarmer (927)) from -censored(ip/cid)- || BYOND v508
[20:11:01]ACCESS: Login: KorPhaeron/(Swarmer (234)) from -censored(ip/cid)- || BYOND v508

The round did end up being garbage, but it's a little misleading to say he made himself an antag.

[oranges]

you move fast aran

[Bluespace]

was this that gang round yesterday?
as one of the swarmers involved, it was hilarious watching the swarm demolish every single gang base, eating the dominators and turning everything into all access.
the round was vastly improved by the admin's actions, and a swarmer isn't really an antag, more a critter anyway. no crime here. trust me i'm the expert on this.

Plus: kor wasn't 100% going to get it. another ghost could've got in the swarmer.

[Atlanta-Ned]

Sidebar: Please please never put swarmers in early in the round. That was 100% Not Fun™

[imblyings]

Not really actionable but there were some long chats in headmin chats and policy for admins will be made more clear/tightened. Mainly, anything from the create antag button cannot be accepted by an admin. Random events/syndiborgs/guardian spirits and the like are ok for admins. For cases like swarmers, there's no real problem joining in after a while when there are shells laying around.

[Steelpoint]

What about cases where a admin has deadmined themselves from the round initially and they end up in a position to accept a admin spawned antagonist, such as them dying in the round and ghosting.

[imblyings]

if they are deadminned they are treated as players

what was also mentioned was admins creating antags after they died. A certain admin/s may have done this before but this will be disallowed entirely. Creating antags should only really be done when the round needs it or as part of an event.

[Shadowlight213]

If another admin presses the create antag button, can you roll for it? or no?

[imblyings]

I would assume it's ok as long as it's not,

>pst press the button I totally don't want to be antag or anything

[Saegrimr]

Well that happens pretty frequently with xenomorphs since it doesn't even ask.

I've been a larva probably more times than i've been any other antag.

[Ahammer18]

It was always my understanding that if you had de-adminned, you are a 'normal' player. Whoever gives you the antag at that point would be responsible for the fallout, antags shouldn't be held responsible for acting antagonistic.

[peoplearestrange]

Well that happens pretty frequently with xenomorphs since it doesn't even ask.

I've been a larva probably more times than i've been any other antag.

Yeah this happens quite a bit.
>standard admin ghosting about
>Suddenly xeno
>welp best de-admin
>gets on with game.

Also is someone else going to look into this? Another headmin comment might be useful, then we can put this to bed whatever the end result.

[lollerderby]

Wow this is still open.

Anyway, as ausops said, we discussed it and although this complaint isn't actionable admins are now disallowed from rolling for antags that they themselves directly create, so they can't 'randomly' become a wizard after mashing the create wizard button half a dozen times.