Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby duncathan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:59 pm #160245

The elected headmin will hold just as much authority as HG does. Whether he uses it is up to his own discretion.



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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Ikarrus » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:02 pm #160246

They can by blocking everything hg wants to do
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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Steelpoint » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:22 pm #160248

Admins (or anyone who could vote in the admin election) who are disconcerned with HG really should have done more to not vote for HG in the majority.

If you want any change to happen then vote for someone who you think will be a pro-active headmin. The only problem is figuring out whom MSO will select.

Right now Loller seems absent, hell at this point I would just assume Loller is a vassal state to HG and is giving him that extra voting boost in the world congress or whatever.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby bandit » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:29 pm #160252

Every admin gets one vote. Beyond that there's literally nothing else they can do
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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Luke Cox » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:01 am #160259

So, how do we kill the HG?

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Zilenan91 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:26 am #160263

Luke I think you're forgetting about how you were acting in that thread that got you silenced. You were using a lot of violent words and getting very angry, cursing a lot, and just in general trying to stop discussing by making wide, sweeping statements about how everyone hated these tests that were very clearly untrue.

Should he have done it? I don't know, and I don't know the extent of what he's done either, but I at least have an inkling into it.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Luke Cox » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:29 am #160264

Zilenan91 wrote:Luke I think you're forgetting about how you were acting in that thread that got you silenced. You were using a lot of violent words and getting very angry, cursing a lot, and just in general trying to stop discussing by making wide, sweeping statements about how everyone hated these tests that were very clearly untrue.

Should he have done it? I don't know, and I don't know the extent of what he's done either, but I at least have an inkling into it.

Zil, are you fucking high? I made one post saying that I could not wait until HG is out off office as headmin, and another saying how I loved that there's no poll on the thread because he knows the idea is incredibly unpopular, both of which other people had said. From what I recall, there were literally no posts praising the tests. Every post was critical of it. I don't think I even swore once, and even if I did who gives a flying fuck? That is no excuse for his behavior.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby onleavedontatme » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:45 am #160270

HG said he has no interest in responding to this thread. If you want to talk to him, you can find him in #coderbus @rizon.net.

There probably isn't much point in this thread being open, but it will probably rile people up if I just close it without warning.

So feel free to argue/vent/complain, just know that you're not likely going to get the response you want.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Luke Cox » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:57 am #160274

In other words, he has no interest in addressing criticism or being held accountable? He refuses to speak in an open forum where he can't just delete everything and silence people who criticize him?

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby onleavedontatme » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:20 am #160277

https://client01.chat.mibbit.com/

You can use this if you don't have an IRC client. Just put rizon for the server, and #coderbus for the channel. He is currently online.

You can ask him yourself why he doesn't like posting on the forums, I'm gonna go have dinner instead of playing telephone.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby starmute » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:22 am #160278

It doesn't really matter that it's HG abusing the power.

The fact that headmins can do this doesn't mean that all headmins do it. But it means some can, and they will.

duncathan wrote:The elected headmin will hold just as much authority as HG does. Whether he uses it is up to his own discretion.

It takes 2 headmin votes to undo a headmin decision. Not to mention it causes infinite drama.

To be honest I don't see this being resolved without changing community guidelines or and giving players a way to moderate headmin decisions or policies.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Luke Cox » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:03 am #160284

Kor wrote:https://client01.chat.mibbit.com/

You can use this if you don't have an IRC client. Just put rizon for the server, and #coderbus for the channel. He is currently online.

You can ask him yourself why he doesn't like posting on the forums, I'm gonna go have dinner instead of playing telephone.

He may not like posting on the forums but he sure as hell likes to delete posts on the forums

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby iamgoofball » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:06 am #160286

stop being a pussy luke

grow some balls

get in the IRC

talk to hornygranny like a man

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Ikarrus » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:26 am #160289

I think it's only fair that the group who voted them in be allowed to have at the very least a vote of non-confidence and impeach them mid-term.

It only takes an individual with the initiative to start one.
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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby ShadowDimentio » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:27 am #160290

He's been headmin again all of like five days. Re-hold the admin vote again, see how it goes.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Luke Cox » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:35 am #160291

That would be the best way to proceed in my opinion. If they knew he would behave like this, I doubt the vote would have played out the way it did. Going forward, admin-voted headmins should go through a trial process just like any other admin has to.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby iamgoofball » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:40 am #160292

iamgoofball wrote:stop being a pussy luke

grow some balls

get in the IRC

talk to hornygranny like a man


stop ignoring my post luke

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby oranges » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:41 am #160293

I'm sure MSO would listen if the admins ran an impeachement poll and it got majority votes.

Also please don't join #coderbus

use #supportbus or something

edit:removed comment to try to maintain some semblance of impartiality

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby starmute » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:35 am #160299

oranges wrote:I'm sure MSO would listen if the admins ran an impeachement poll and it got majority votes.

Also please don't join #coderbus

use #supportbus or something

edit:removed comment to try to maintain some semblance of impartiality


My major issue is this can continue no matter what. It shouldn't happen no matter the admin.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Jordie0608 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 4:13 am #160308

oranges wrote:Also colour me biased but I don't think anyone who is an admin or headmin should have the ability to supress someones posting ability, it should be a neutral set of forum admins


While obviously there's bias involved the selection of forum staff and their powers largely resulted from incidental measures to fulfill a lack rather than attempts at an aristocracy, or junta if you want to think that. see: you an quartzcrystal and the elections

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby peoplearestrange » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:28 am #160332

Ikarrus wrote:I think it's only fair that the group who voted them in be allowed to have at the very least a vote of non-confidence and impeach them mid-term.

It only takes an individual with the initiative to start one.


This thread was kind an attempt at that. Admittedly more public because I felt the issues had effected other members not part of the admin group.

I have already spoken to HG on IRC and as I explained yesterday to the adminbus, I find it difficult to get what Im trying to say on IRC. HG is very good at typing quickly in that manor, Im not, I get flustered and end up just reacting to things rather than thinking about them. I also dislike that IRC is a "you had to be there" kinda thing, where logs are only made by those who care to and are on and there's no real accountability. The forums (in theory) have more permanence.
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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby bandit » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:01 pm #160353

So basically we have:

1. A person who doesn't want to go to IRC and talk, but is perfectly able to, and does so anyway to open the lines of communication
2. A person who doesn't want to post on the forums, but is perfectly able to, and refuses to do so (it's not a case of not having seen the thread)

One of these options is exponentially more mature than the other.
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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Lumbermancer » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:25 pm #160362

So how does HG hold as much power as he does? I don't really get involved into community politics so I don't know. I mean, SoS was host and look what happened.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Steelpoint » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:27 pm #160363

His power simply comes from being a head admin, which comes from a majority of admins voting for him.

Afaik we have no idea how HG would go in a general player vote as he's consistantly either won a admin vote, or comes in as a temp headmin when a older headmin leaves.

Edit: To be fair from what I heard the vote for the admin vote came to a literal 50/50 split between Hg and Shaps, and Shaps stepped aside to let HG win to avoid a drawn out re-vote.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Lumbermancer » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:16 pm #160370

So he doesn't hold any aces in his sleeve, and is merely popular?

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Steelpoint » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:25 pm #160371

His popularity with some admins, seemingly, comes from his usually fair administration conduct towards bans and players, and that he's one of the few consistent people who has taken the headmin position and did not burn out, and has consistently been able to be in the position without burning out.

I also think some admins either do not remember, or were not around, for the older days of HG and his attitudes, as described above during the time where playerbase and coderbus relations were at their worst, as well as how HG has oft in the past only been present to grab the head min position, and when he loses he disappears for a long time.

From personal experience I recall one point where HG just suddenly appeared out of the blue as a headmin when one headmin left the position.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby sirnat » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:30 pm #160372

Reading all of this political stuff for the server is reminding me of the Revolution of Ukraine in 2013-2014 from Viktor Yanukovych..

Ukraine youth-Everyone here
President giving country to russia- Hornygranny

He shall be the horniest of hornies.

Edit: This may be deleted as I had to make a joke, was too hard not to reading all of it.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Stickymayhem » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:42 pm #160375

I apologize to the citizenry.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Steelpoint » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:00 pm #160376

I don't keep a Book of Grudges in a notepad. I'm just saying that seems as the most likely of reasons.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Stickymayhem » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:50 pm #160380

Steelpoint wrote:I don't keep a Book of Grudges in a notepad. I'm just saying that seems as the most likely of reasons.


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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Malkevin » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:54 pm #160381

Stickymayhem wrote:
Steelpoint wrote:His popularity with some admins, seemingly, comes from his usually fair administration conduct towards bans and players, and that he's one of the few consistent people who has taken the headmin position and did not burn out, and has consistently been able to be in the position without burning out.

I also think some admins either do not remember, or were not around, for the older days of HG and his attitudes, as described above during the time where playerbase and coderbus relations were at their worst, as well as how HG has oft in the past only been present to grab the head min position, and when he loses he disappears for a long time.

From personal experience I recall one point where HG just suddenly appeared out of the blue as a headmin when one headmin left the position.


>Consistent

Lol he's the always been the least active headmin by far and never consistently around for anything when he was needed

>Did not burn out

He disappears all the time and never plays the game

Also he literally quit headmin at one point because he was sick of SoS being in charge about some stuff during the An0n3 dark times.

I'm not even mad I just wonder why in a community that focuses entirely on everyone's negative traits hg somehow escapes it effortlessly and everyone forgets this shit.

Pretty much.

Whereas other headmins gave up the post when they realised they no longer had time to concentrate on it, HG just remained in an inactive seat.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby ShadowDimentio » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:39 pm #160446

When I called him out on never playing the game he said he "Always used random names so you'd never know it was him"

Yeah that's helpful

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Postby Saegrimr » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:45 pm #160450

ShadowDimentio wrote:When I called him out on never playing the game he said he "Always used random names so you'd never know it was him"

Yeah that's helpful


He's had a minimum of five connections per day every day, missing three days in february and one in january.
Meanwhile you have had a minimum of one connection per day, missing five in march, nine in february, and eight in january.

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Postby Ikarrus » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:47 pm #160451

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby DrPillzRedux » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:18 pm #160462

I don't get where the inactivity for HG pull is coming from aside from maybe last year. Ever since he took over for Ausops I've nearly always seen him on the adminwho list.

I honestly think some people just need to sit down with gran gran and have a calm discussion instead of throwing shit around.

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Postby Malkevin » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:58 pm #160469

DrPillzRedux wrote:I don't get where the inactivity for HG pull is coming from aside from maybe last year. Ever since he took over for Ausops I've nearly always seen him on the adminwho list.

I honestly think some people just need to sit down with gran gran and have a calm discussion instead of throwing shit around.

But is he actually there?

I remember Erro actually implemented the "kick people that are still in the lobby at round end" thing largely because HG was afking on the server for eight hours a day and it was screwing up the admin-help redirect to IRC bot.
There was significant backlash from several admins who didn't like it and so wanted an exception made for admins - I can't remember if Erro changed that or not.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Saegrimr » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:05 pm #160471

No the kick if still in lobby thing is still a thing, and it happens to admins.
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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby TechnoAlchemist » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:10 pm #160490

Adminning =/ playing. I don't think I've ever seen HG play personally.

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Postby Incomptinence » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:26 pm #160498

How many of those connections is he even active on IRC for I mean I am almost certain he set up some something to log himself in when he came up with his "rarely plays" idea.

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Postby Saegrimr » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:36 pm #160500

Incomptinence wrote:How many of those connections is he even active on IRC for I mean I am almost certain he set up some something to log himself in when he came up with his "rarely plays" idea.


All of them i'd assume? I never leave the IRC even when i'm not adminning, a large number of us just plain never disconnect. IRC isn't a hard concept. Its been around for decades and isn't exactly difficult.
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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby LiamLime » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:40 pm #160502

Super Aggro Crag wrote:do you guys remember when hornygranny rallied his coderfriends to demand that we oust Errorage from the community...


I actually don't remember HG being involved in that.... not that I would know, of course.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby TheWulfe » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:38 am #160528

While HG is competent at most of what he does, I just don't like how he wields his power like he's playing dictator of everything /tg/. Rubbing his absolute power it in everyone's face with cheeky shit like the picture below. Or when he started the 'Never plays' meme to people he didn't like on the forums. And lately since last year he's been constantly Rule 0ing people he didn't like; I'm surprised that isn't an issue to talk about and get modified. Along with other petty little stuff like against Luke Cox recently.
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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby NikNakFlak » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:43 am #160529

Please name one person that was rule 0'd by hg that didn't deserve it
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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby oranges » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:55 am #160532

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby TheWulfe » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:05 am #160535

NikNakFlak wrote:Please name one person that was rule 0'd by hg that didn't deserve it


Here it goes: When I answer with X, it's going to come around and get a 'But they deserved it!' guilty because he's guilty, circular reasoning or whatever logical fallacy. But I'll bite your bait. One was Dante Smith (dunno BYOND account), for using waygate wizard powers to make a surgical borg to remove an implant to get onto the station? Banworthy? Yeah, probably, even if that was one of the most absurdly creative things a person could do with [technically allowable] game mechanics anyone's ever seen. Rule 0? Not really justified other than (IMO) as a way to get rid of a powerplayer.

And as a side note I consider the little cheeky incidents like the forum stuff as someone being 'Rule 0'd', since they're basically applied the same. (Admin's at-will 'discretion' rather than based on rules violated).

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Postby NikNakFlak » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:59 am #160555

But they deserved it!
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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby onleavedontatme » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:04 am #160559

I've tried to let these threads be more or less unmoderated since they're complaining about too much moderation, but if you guys turn this thread into a shitflinging contest like the other one I'll just nuke it as well.

Try and stay vaguely civil when discussing fake internet governments surrounding a decade old atmos simulator.

EDIT: There is really no point to having this thread continue to be open though, there is no such thing as a recall vote, and that vote would fail anyway.

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby oranges » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:14 am #160561

You can't stop us now, HG is finished

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby ShadowDimentio » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:37 am #160567

Saegrimr wrote:
ShadowDimentio wrote:When I called him out on never playing the game he said he "Always used random names so you'd never know it was him"

Yeah that's helpful


He's had a minimum of five connections per day every day, missing three days in february and one in january.
Meanwhile you have had a minimum of one connection per day, missing five in march, nine in february, and eight in january.

Happy now?


Difference being: I'm a player. I play the game, not admin it.

My point wasn't "he never logs on" my point was "he never plays the game".

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Re: Hornygranny - Abuse of absolute power

Postby Zilenan91 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:38 am #160568

He does play the game though, near constantly. He was a mime a while ago and got lynched.

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