An entirely separate conversation and incident, I am making this complaint because people won't stop commenting in my previous complaint thread over this unrelated conversation, especially when admins/forum moderators/people of administrative note start doing it too, discussing it as if it were the main focal point of the complaint. I'm slightly annoyed but maybe people have a lot of strong feelings about the matter they'd like to discuss and share, which explains why they won't stop.
Technically Sawucalls himself brought up the subject and the log, as if it somehow justifies his behavior or otherwise relevant to the other complaint. However, seeing as no one else has bothered to explain and justify its relevancy, and the fact I just flat-out don't see any possible explanation/justification no matter what angle you argue from, I'll admittedly be jumping the gun on that judgement.
Edit: MSO himself has decreed the orlando shooting conversation to be off topic from the other AC, and has graced this AC with his permission.
Byond account: Ohnopigeons Admin: Sawucalls Time incident occurred: Sybil, June 12, 19:31 server time
Basically, conversation about the Orlando shooting starts off (with a joke). People start talking about it and Sawucalls says to "calm the edge". A not-too-unreasonable request/bantz/meme.
Then, out of the blue, he starts threatening to mute, a rather serious administrative action that goes in complete contrast to his previous casual/meme language tone. I, being incredulous, start questioning him, where I am instead immediately met with a mute. Like immediately immediate, 10 seconds after.
I don't know who else was muted, but it's pretty clear (at least to me) he did out of his own personal political beliefs, and his desire to enforce it on OOC, rather than out of consideration for the playerbase's wellbeing.
Logs, from the start of the conversation to the point where I was unmuted:
Spoiler:
[19:29:50]OOC: Hornygranny : jesus christ
[19:30:02]OOC: Hornygranny : some dude killed 50 people at a nightclub
[19:30:07]OOC: egoscape : Yeah.
[19:30:11]OOC: Voidlord44 : yeah
[19:30:11]OOC: Hornygranny : one more reason not to go outside
[19:30:13]OOC: Legoscape : My bf was crying about it.
[19:30:18]OOC: K Peculier : Fucking videogames must have done this.
[19:30:23]OOC: Legoscape : litterly.
[19:30:24]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : So, when I say your instead you're. I am doing it to honor the founding fathers.
[19:30:33]OOC: VersipellisVesper : yeah, a gay nightclub no less
[19:30:40]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : That dude must be one hell of a gangster.
[19:30:51]OOC: Legoscape : People say it's a hate crime.
[19:31:04]OOC: TheWulfe : So a Muslim walks into a gay bar, and the bartender asks, what'll you have?
[19:31:08]OOC: TheWulfe : "50 shots";
[19:31:13]OOC: Legoscape : damn dude...to early.
[19:31:15]OOC: ClumsyAlcoholic : kek
[19:31:16]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : Shit he shot up a gay nightclub?? That dude must be A SUPER SOLDIER>
[19:31:20]OOC: Hornygranny : he literally pledged allegience to ISIS
[19:31:22]OOC: TheWulfe : Sorry, way too early
[19:31:25]OOC: Voidlord44 : it was a radical muslim apperently
[19:31:30]OOC: Jeerman : But who doesn't do that
[19:31:40]OOC: Jeerman : It's entirely coincidental
[19:31:43]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : People in nightclubs normally have weapons. [19:31:51]OOC: Sawucalls : calm your edgy shit down folks [19:32:03]OOC: Sawucalls : we know you're 12 and have school tommorow but here isn't the place to try and out-fedora each other
[19:32:06]OOC: TheWulfe : But yeah, radical muslim, and there's a shitstorm on Leddit about them trying to cover up the most public news story about the biggest terrorist attack since 9/11, the idiots
[19:32:14]OOC: VersipellisVesper : Fifty deaths
[19:32:24]OOC: K Peculier : You're being too generous with the age there.
[19:32:24]OOC: Jeerman : Or what, you're gonna give the server the ol' Ghost BC?
[19:32:27]OOC: Valiantttt : it happened in america [19:32:28]OOC: Ohnopigeons : That's just what LEddit does
[19:32:28]OOC: InsaneHyena : Guys, guys, guys
[19:32:34]OOC: Valiantttt : of course gun shooting happened in america :^) [19:32:36]OOC: Ohnopigeons : I don't know why anyone expects differently
[19:32:39]OOC: InsaneHyena : Shut up, okay. Shut up and check this out. Comedy gold.
[19:32:44]OOC: Legoscape : Welcome to the world. ISIS is cancer america is cancer Russia is cancer EVERYONE IS CANCER :C
[19:32:48]OOC: InsaneHyena : [19:32:53]OOC: Ohnopigeons : A MUSLIM WALKS INTO A GAY BAR
[19:32:53]OOC: InsaneHyena : COMPLETE COINCIDENCE
[19:32:55]OOC: Bobban : jesus just give 1 star no need to go all pscho on the bar
[19:32:55]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : Like if that guy tried that in a nightclub where I am from. I doubt he'd get 50 bodies and it wouldn't of been a masscure but a battle zone.
[19:32:56]OOC: InsaneHyena : I'M SURE
[19:33:23]OOC: InsaneHyena : This is what happens when you let a murder cult into your country. [19:33:24]OOC: Sawucalls : last warning folks, calm the edge
[19:33:34]OOC: VersipellisVesper : heroes neverdie [19:33:35]OOC: Ohnopigeons : >warning [19:33:35]OOC: Sawucalls : any more remotely edgy shit and i'm issuing mutes
[19:33:39]OOC: Kha : muslims. dems great people ynow [19:33:39]OOC: Ohnopigeons : What the fuck
[19:33:44]OOC: Virtualmass : sharpened fire axe
[19:33:44]OOC: Valiantttt : > this woudlnt happen in my night club > complete dark, gunshots > GOOD LUCK SHOOTING AT THE GUY WITHOUT GETTING SHOT YOURSELF
[19:33:46]OOC: Legoscape : Sawucalls were talking about a problem that actually happned irl .w.
[19:33:48]OOC: Deputi : is being edgy against the rules now
[19:33:48]OOC: Valiantttt : kek
[19:33:48]OOC: VersipellisVesper : Why not just mute OOC r ight now [19:33:54]OOC: Ohnopigeons : Sawu are you literally from digg
[19:34:02]OOC: Jeerman : :I [19:34:05]ADMIN: Sawucalls/(Jaydon Woollard) has muted ohnopigeons/(Micks Tape) from OOC
[19:34:06]OOC: InsaneHyena : Sawu, fifty people are dead. [19:34:13]OOC: Sawucalls : because some people still want to use the ooc channel
[19:34:29]OOC: Bob Dobbington : To give a sense of the scale this is the biggest terror attack since 9/11
[19:34:36]OOC: Jeerman : I mean, why even issue warnings mang if you're going to let the mutedick go flapping [19:34:49]OOC: Sawucalls : I [19:34:59]OOC: Sawucalls : am muting people because shitting on muslims [19:35:02]OOC: Sawucalls : and talking shit [19:35:07]OOC: Sawucalls : is not the same as talking about a news event
[19:35:10]OOC: Legoscape : Nah, The one in france was much bigger. If your talking about the us yes its the biggest in the US [19:35:14]OOC: Sawucalls : we get it, you're twelve and have an edge quota
[19:35:20]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : For real shooting at nightclubs happening like once a week where I live.
[19:35:32]OOC: Legoscape : Sawucalls why do you assume someone is twelve?
[19:35:49]OOC: Desucake : Cause its easy to assume if you are 12 or 21, cause simple switch of numbers
[19:35:49]OOC: Pecce : might aswell observe before the E3
[19:36:05]OOC: Hornygranny : is there anything good even
[19:36:06]OOC: Hornygranny : at E3 [19:36:11]OOC: Sawucalls : cuz i have more faith in older people to not try and be the edgiest thing size gilette razorblades [19:36:22]OOC: Sawucalls : since, rather
[19:36:25]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : So for real one crazy guy trying to shoot up a night club full of organized gangs. I'd like to see the results.
[19:38:02]OOC: Legoscape : Hm, I guess you have a point there Sull
[19:38:12]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : Yeah, so did the guy have like night vision or something?
[19:38:21]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : Or he just spray randomly?
[19:39:00]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : Also, nightclubs arn't dark. They got like that sutterlight. So a firefight would appear to be slow motion just... not.
[19:39:31]OOC: Legoscape : When i turn 21 i'm planning on going to a few just to try em out
[19:39:43]OOC: Legoscape : Or just go to england and try one :p
[19:39:54]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : If you are probally like half the people here and don't like people. You won't like it.
[19:40:09]OOC: Legoscape : Nah, I'm not a pecismistic douch on here.
[19:40:18]OOC: Legoscape : pessimistic
[19:40:53]OOC: Hornygranny : nightclubs are shit
[19:41:08]OOC: SpinnerMaster : I wouldnt know
[19:41:13]OOC: Legoscape : I don't sit here and say OHH HUMANITY IS FUCKED LOOK AT OUR NEW GENERATION blah blah...I like to be a lot more optimistic.
[19:41:15]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : I wanna go to england. All I know of england is stuff from english T.V and punk culture. Which I was told by my cousin who has been and he's all preppy that it's nothing like that at all.
[19:41:29]OOC: Hornygranny : lol, punk is dead
[19:41:29]OOC: BlittzOff : I wish i was home playing video games
[19:41:35]OOC: Kha : lel k
[19:41:35]OOC: Laughing Rabbit : It's just tea and crips and gentlemen and blah blah [19:41:39]OOC: Ohnopigeons : Test
From the previous thread:
sawukoa wrote:I'm just going to point at that 20 minutes before hand, a multitude of people had been warned for shitting up IC with their edgy jokes about the recent nightclub shooting, you included, and you were not the only one muted.
Racism, Bigotry and assorted shitposting from a variety of people, and multiple people were issued mutes as a result. OOC is not the place to spread intolerant, hateful bullshit.
Now, I have a rather hard time figuring out which of my comments qualifies as racist, bigoted, or even an assorted shitpost. I have posted my OOCs below, all 6 lines consisting of 29 words, in big font, so that maybe someone can inspire an explanation because I can't. [list]
[19:32:28]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : That's just what LEddit does
[19:32:36]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : I don't know why anyone expects differently
[19:32:53]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : A MUSLIM WALKS INTO A GAY BAR
[19:33:35]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : >warning
[19:33:39]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : What the fuck
[19:33:54]OOC: Micks Tape/Ohnopigeons : Sawu are you literally from digg
[19:34:05]ADMIN: Sawucalls/(Jaydon Woollard) has muted ohnopigeons/(Micks Tape) from OOC
[/list]
The only thing that I have that is anywhere remotely close to an answer is my [19:32:53] comment, which still doesn't make sense because that would imply I was muted for stating a concept of a muslim in a gay bar.
Edit: Appended HG's conversation start
Last edited by ohnopigeons on Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
OOC is not a right, it is a privilege. Space Station 13 is a 2D spaceman validhunting simulator, not a political forum. If you want to talk politics, allow me to direct you to literally the rest of the internet.
"I don't see any difference between ERP and rape." -- erro
I can understand disabling OOC if people were doing nothing -but- shit it up with this stuff but srsly.
kieth4 wrote:
infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am
Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please.
Not everyone lives in america and or have higher tolerances for black humour.
You can certainly get offended at someone for making the joke, but then forcing your personal viewpoint on others via administrative action is just terrible.
You can argue that the ooc wasn't even at the point where it was disruptive to the round.
Oh look, MSOs post with all those details from an IRC log of sawu making horrible racist humor is gone, wherin he implies genocide of the black race is the only reasonable answer to future music or some such bullshit, and in general set out to be as offensive as possible.
It was obviously shock humor to be fair, and I can appreciate that, but it really nicely showed the hypocracy in this situation. on the internet, we're all assholes.
Edit: I'm noit trying to cloud the issue by saying he's a racist facist non-PC douchebag either, which is probably why the post was deleted, My point is, this is censorship of shock humor, which is something sawu apparently partakes in as well as myself, points to the hipocracy inherant in sawus muting and general douchebaggery. and while the logs themselves may paint sawu in a terrible light, and thus removed from the discussion, the mere fact that he's also said equally if not more so deplorable things for seemingly the fuck of it should be noted.
IRC is separate from OOC so I'm not sure why anyone is bringing it up except to ad hominem.
But again: A 2D spaceman game with clowns and mimes is not the place to get your /pol/ or your social justice on, and generally speaking admins would rather mute one person or a few people from OOC than ruin it for everyone else. Like seriously I must be banging U2 because I'm really feeling the edge.
Also I don't think any of you pointed out that the shooter was a security officer, literal shitcurity
"I don't see any difference between ERP and rape." -- erro
If people want to let of some steam in the OOC chat for a game that they enjoy playing and with a community that they possibly like why shouldn't they be allowed?
Now look. I truly do believe the hg meme about how you normies play in our universe. Especially about OOC. You don't have freedom of speech, or anything like it. i once asked somebody to stop using the IC name of the Boston Bomber right after it happened. He told me no. I permabanned him. He never appealed. The server was, objectively, better off for that action then if I had not taken it. That person had nothing to offer us.
But looking at the log. People were just talking about it. And some were being edgy. But aside from this being a recent and sore subject, is this really any more intense than our usual business, or worth picking a fight over? Didn't hg himself start that convo?
bandit wrote:If you want to talk politics, allow me to direct you to literally the rest of the internet.
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:But it wasn't politics, it was an offensive joke.
TheNightingale wrote:There's "bantz", and then there's joking about a mass murder that happened less than 48 hours ago. Too soon.
oranges wrote:You can certainly get offended at someone for making the joke, but then forcing your personal viewpoint on others via administrative action is just terrible.
bandit wrote:But again: A 2D spaceman game with clowns and mimes is not the place to get your /pol/ or your social justice on, and generally speaking admins would rather mute one person or a few people from OOC than ruin it for everyone else. Like seriously I must be banging U2 because I'm really feeling the edge.
I'm sorry, are you all talking about the same joke/parts of the conversation here? I feel as if there's a slight mismatch of subject matter here.
There are only two parts of this conversation that resemble anything of the joke that is being constantly referenced/discussed:
[19:31:04]OOC: TheWulfe : So a Muslim walks into a gay bar, and the bartender asks, what'll you have?
[19:31:08]OOC: TheWulfe : "50 shots";
and
[19:32:53]OOC: Ohnopigeons : A MUSLIM WALKS INTO A GAY BAR
I myself don't consider what I said to be a joke for various pretentious reasons, but okay, for the purposes of this complaint, it's sort of a joke.
There have been a lot of points being made over "don't bring your politics" or the subject of "freedom of speech to discuss politics" or whatever. Both of these are for the most part devoid of politics, they don't imply any position, thought, or ideology except reference the recent event, and what the news had reported about it. Maybe they are offensive because they provoke humor at the explicit reference.
I logged in right after TheWulfe made that joke so I didn't see it being made. And personally, I don't consider these jokes to be offensive, least of all mine which had no followup punchline; I also had no intention of being offensive. But okay, maybe that's not for me to judge.
Hibbles wrote:i once asked somebody to stop using the IC name of the Boston Bomber right after it happened. He told me no. I permabanned him. He never appealed. The server was, objectively, better off for that action then if I had not taken it. That person had nothing to offer us.
That's not what objective means, but yes, you're right, it probably was better off without him, but not for the reason you imply. If they're making jokes like that right off the bat they're probably not the type of people we'd want, but the action of making the joke isn't something that should be disallowed.
Hibbles wrote:i once asked somebody to stop using the IC name of the Boston Bomber right after it happened. He told me no. I permabanned him. He never appealed. The server was, objectively, better off for that action then if I had not taken it. That person had nothing to offer us.
That's not what objective means, but yes, you're right, it probably was better off without him, but not for the reason you imply. If they're making jokes like that right off the bat they're probably not the type of people we'd want, but the action of making the joke isn't something that should be disallowed.
It's not that he made the joke that makes the server better off without him, it's that he didn't listen when the admins told him to self moderate.
Look, if one of the people sawu had warned had been continuously ramming the joke down everyone's throats after ooc started to get bored of it? Then I would be fine with administrative action being taken, knowing both how to deliver a joke and then not beating the horse into the ground is important to being a good community member.
It's when administrative action is the weapon of first resort that makes me anxious.
Anyway in my personal opinion, it's not political censorship, just someone being a little too heavy with the admin tools instead of letting things run a bit.
Hibbles wrote:Now look. I truly do believe the hg meme about how you normies play in our universe. Especially about OOC. You don't have freedom of speech, or anything like it. i once asked somebody to stop using the IC name of the Boston Bomber right after it happened. He told me no. I permabanned him. He never appealed. The server was, objectively, better off for that action then if I had not taken it. That person had nothing to offer us.
Nice of you to admit to flagrant abuse of your admin powers because you're a muslim apologist of your own personal feelings, seeing as the policy on racism and racist names at that time would've been the one XSI implemented years before.
Which was:
Reading Woody's Got Wood or other versions of pornographic reading material over the radio will 9 times out of 10 get you lynched by the crew. Reading these for the sole purpose of fighting people who try to stop you will get you banned.
The same goes for players should they cross the boundary from casual racism/sexism (e.g. overly stereotyped characters, the occasional derogatory term etc) to extreme racism/sexism (e.g. encouraging genocide, forcing their racist behavior onto the majority/all of the crew, signing up as Adolf Hitler)
Valid for lynching, not valid for banning.
If that was an established player who knew the rules he'd probably have told you to get bent. Like I did.
See this here?
Its a big fuck off button that lets you hide OOC when its gets too distracting or a topic is being discussed that offends your precious sensitive sensibilities.
Maybe people could fucking press that instead of throwing a hissy fit at a bit of gallows humour and some slight talk about digg sucking.
Its not hard.
End of the day this server community might be far removed from 4chan but it still has its origins and roots there.
