oranges should not be a maintainer

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:15 pm #346984

As in the title, I believe oranges should not be a code maintainer. Conversation concerning a recent PR shows oranges abusing his rank, by deleting, editing comments, and then removing the "do not merge" tag from his own PR and reopening it when another maintainer closed it, which somewhat feels like the "lite" equivalent of a self-merge.

oranges is regularly using his status to pursue a personal vendetta, motivated by spite, acting in bad faith and without regard for the playerbase. If you ask me, a person like that should not be deciding the game's contents.

Lazengann · Post by **Lazengann** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:38 pm #346989

I like removing dumb cat drama but I don't think maintainers should use their superpowers on their own PRs.

bman · Post by **bman** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:47 pm #346990

Slig, where were you calling for a maintainer's removal when Joan admitted to using their own maintainer rank to ruin the reputation of PRs they don't like + abuse their powers ingame?

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:52 pm #346991

bman wrote:Slig, where were you calling for a maintainer's removal when Joan admitted to using their own maintainer rank to ruin the reputation of PRs they don't like + abuse their powers ingame?

Irrelevant to this thread. If it's something you're concerned about, feel free to start a separate thread, and then I'll draw my conclusions from there. I'm sorry, but I'm not all-knowing, and I don't have eyes everywhere.

All you're doing now is deflecting, first onto me, and now onto Joan - if you're empty-handed when it comes to oranges, then feel free not to post at all.

captain sawrge · Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:45 pm

Yeah she should

bman · Post by **bman** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:58 pm #347001

Sligneris wrote:
bman wrote:Slig, where were you calling for a maintainer's removal when Joan admitted to using their own maintainer rank to ruin the reputation of PRs they don't like + abuse their powers ingame?
Irrelevant to this thread. If it's something you're concerned about, feel free to start a separate thread, and then I'll draw my conclusions from there. I'm sorry, but I'm not all-knowing, and I don't have eyes everywhere.

All you're doing now is deflecting, first onto me, and now onto Joan - if you're empty-handed when it comes to oranges, then feel free not to post at all.

suddenly, when oranges does something you dislike, you're upset about maintainer integrity

The Clowns Pocket · Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:24 pm

I think Oranges is cool

onleavedontatme · Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:29 pm

bman wrote:Slig, where were you calling for a maintainer's removal when Joan admitted to using their own maintainer rank to ruin the reputation of PRs they don't like + abuse their powers ingame?

Slig not only said they wanted Joan gone they said it directly in conversation to you

Why do you make bad posts bman?

I like oranges but please post with honour even when defending him

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:31 pm #347005

bman wrote:suddenly, when oranges does something you dislike, you're upset about maintainer integrity

It's not "suddenly", and it's not something that I alone dislike; it goes against the results of player polls as well.

bman · Post by **bman** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:33 pm #347006

Kor wrote:
bman wrote:Slig, where were you calling for a maintainer's removal when Joan admitted to using their own maintainer rank to ruin the reputation of PRs they don't like + abuse their powers ingame?

there's a difference between that and making this entire thread to call for his removal kor

slig is okay with maintainers breaking the 24 hour rule to close goof PRs because "lol goof", i just find it hypocritical that they suddenly want maintainers to follow a code of conduct.

Bawhoppennn · Post by **Bawhoppennn** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:36 pm #347007

He shouldn't be deleting comments or reopening his own PR under any circumstances, really.

bman · Post by **bman** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:43 pm #347008

that i agree with.

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:23 pm #347014

bman wrote:slig is okay with maintainers breaking the 24 hour rule to close goof PRs because "lol goof", i just find it hypocritical that they suddenly want maintainers to follow a code of conduct.

The difference being that goofball is just one troll while oranges is attempting to spite hundreds of players.

He joined a discord known to have a number of folks playing catpeople just to post that, back when they were disabled for a time.

He also stated he's planning to continue pushing for changes in an attempt to remove catpersons from the game. All while over 300 players voted to keep them on both servers in the in-game poll.

Funny how folks like you or goofball are all about "the will of the people", but only as long as the will of the people agrees with you.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:18 am #347140

I like how you assume some sort of oranges/goof conspiracy when threads like this happen.
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/31622

Post by **Vekter** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:42 am #347148

That's not great maintainer behavior tbh

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:46 am #347152

cedarbridge wrote:I like how you assume some sort of oranges/goof conspiracy

Do I? I think I might've implied something like that on Discord, but I said nothing to that effect here.

duncathan · Post by **duncathan** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:53 am #347157

as far as I'm aware none of oranges's actions have broken any of the rules we have for maintainers so I don't really see how there's a case to support this idea

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:27 am #347170

hi guys im late to the party what happened

Post by **oranges** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:28 am #347172

I made pet collars not fit on humans and a lot of people got hot and bothered even though the pr was never merged.

Super Aggro Crag · Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:35 am

Oranges deleted my post cuz I said DED PLZ NERF in someone's thread on feedback

He's not a bad maintainer though

I'd rather have oranges and his post-ironic shitposting behavior around than some mean teen like remie having tantrums over not constantly getting her ass kissed

John_Oxford · Post by **John_Oxford** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:45 am #347178

>talk about it for years
>be right about it

>someone else talks about it

"hey guys maybe oxford was right"

additional citation:

i havent played in over three months.

i made a pr six months ago, obviously made a fork.

the state of tg six months ago, from what i've only read in this thread, is far better than what it is now

>no catpeople

why is there even fucking cat people to begin with do you people not understand the concept of degeneracy?

its not "hur hur he's saying degenracy cuz hes a nazi cuz whtie power"

no, its morally and objectively weird and wrong to play as a cat person. if you can't go up and say it to someone in real life without them feeling weirded out or you feeling weirded out then there's a problem.

"hey man

-hang on moving posts realized this is off topic as fuck

oranges is bad and the coderbus conspiracy has been a thing for so long and i've repeated it so many times and none of you give a shit because im oxford and you don't believe me.

you dug this grave, now lay in it

Super Aggro Crag · Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:47 am

The reason no one ever tells you you are right is because reading your posts is a tedious endeavor

So we just skim them for stuff to make fun of you for

Post by **oranges** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:51 am #347182

is oxford trying to say cats are bad or that I am responsible for them?

Super Aggro Crag · Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:53 am

Oxfords saying its about ethics in gunmodding

Post by **oranges** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:54 am #347187

gun modding should still be added

TehSteveo · Post by **TehSteveo** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:55 am #347189

Post by **oranges** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:01 am #347191

please put a collar on this wild animal

John_Oxford · Post by **John_Oxford** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:17 am #347195

thot_slayer wrote:gun modding should still be added

https://github.com/JohnOxford/tgstation/pull/1

take this thing

and make it the thing in the main thing

and you'll be best maintainer

captain sawrge · Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:22 am

Oxford used to argue that we're a 4chan community so we shouldn't ban people for making really distasteful personal attacks and then comes back half a year later to say that cat ears are morally objectionable

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:37 am #347199

Where the fuck is the digg link

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:48 am #347204

captain sawrge wrote:Oxford used to argue that we're a 4chan community so we shouldn't ban people for making really distasteful personal attacks and then comes back half a year later to say that cat ears are morally objectionable

4chan is a christian website, where catgirls and other anime degeneracy was never allowed.

D&B wrote:Where the fuck is the digg link

This isn't going on digg, silly.

Post by **oranges** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:54 am #347206

why not

John_Oxford · Post by **John_Oxford** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:04 am #347209

Sligneris wrote:
captain sawrge wrote:Oxford used to argue that we're a 4chan community so we shouldn't ban people for making really distasteful personal attacks and then comes back half a year later to say that cat ears are morally objectionable

4chan is a christian website, where catgirls and other anime degeneracy was never allowed.

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:09 am #347212

John_Oxford wrote:[snip]

I was being ironic lol

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:38 am #347242

Its a strage situation we have here. Either keep the sarcastic citrus or the man who crys every time someone disagrees with him. I say we start looking for substitutes, or I would say that if it wasn't for the large chance this stand in will be a furfag ala paradise or citadel

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:05 pm

Oranges shouldnt be managing his own PRs (removing DNM, deleting comments etc) but its not that big a deal and the only real result was some upset catpeople so no harm done

Post by **Arianya** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:56 pm #347564

Also its a bit silly to take a stance on offtopic comments but then not delete goof's offtopic shitstirring about Joan.

Also if I had seen that PR at the time of its existence I would have suggested making collars give oxyloss to humans while worn just to watch the inevitable shitstorm as the puritan front realizes choking is a fetish.

Post by **Arianya** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:28 pm #347568

Also it amuses me that people rally against degeneracy like /tg/ on 4chan is the slightest bit not-degenerate.

For reference on the front page of /tg/ right now there a sexualized Skaven (Warhammer ratpeople) post and a post about beefy enchantresses.

A few pages further back theres a thread about catgirls explicitly, and towergirls as a seperate thread.

Embrace the sub-culture you're part of, citrus-tan

Super Aggro Crag · Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:45 pm

We had a giantess thread on /tg/ yesterday. And there's a thread about fat asses right now on /tg/ and some guy kibked the archived post from 6 years ago where /tg/'s fetishmongers created an order of monstrously obese paladinesses who launch themselves out of catapults at wizard towers. I made like 37 posts in that very thread

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:22 pm #347590

Arianya wrote:Also it amuses me that people rally against degeneracy like /tg/ on 4chan is the slightest bit not-degenerate.

For reference on the front page of /tg/ right now there a sexualized Skaven (Warhammer ratpeople) post and a post about beefy enchantresses.

A few pages further back theres a thread about catgirls explicitly, and towergirls as a seperate thread.

Embrace the sub-culture you're part of, citrus-tan

/tg/station hasn't been representative of /tg/ the board in years

Post by **Arianya** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:32 pm #347593

Qbopper wrote:
Arianya wrote:Also it amuses me that people rally against degeneracy like /tg/ on 4chan is the slightest bit not-degenerate.

For reference on the front page of /tg/ right now there a sexualized Skaven (Warhammer ratpeople) post and a post about beefy enchantresses.

A few pages further back theres a thread about catgirls explicitly, and towergirls as a seperate thread.

Embrace the sub-culture you're part of, citrus-tan
/tg/station hasn't been representative of /tg/ the board in years

Sure but I'm just saying don't act like the degeneracy came from some unknown quarter of the internet in response to [x] change

Its been here all along.

captain sawrge · Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:59 pm

Qbopper wrote:
Arianya wrote:Also it amuses me that people rally against degeneracy like /tg/ on 4chan is the slightest bit not-degenerate.

For reference on the front page of /tg/ right now there a sexualized Skaven (Warhammer ratpeople) post and a post about beefy enchantresses.

A few pages further back theres a thread about catgirls explicitly, and towergirls as a seperate thread.

Embrace the sub-culture you're part of, citrus-tan
/tg/station hasn't been representative of /tg/ the board in years

Smoothbrain

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:49 pm #347611

Arianya wrote:
Qbopper wrote:
Arianya wrote:Also it amuses me that people rally against degeneracy like /tg/ on 4chan is the slightest bit not-degenerate.

For reference on the front page of /tg/ right now there a sexualized Skaven (Warhammer ratpeople) post and a post about beefy enchantresses.

A few pages further back theres a thread about catgirls explicitly, and towergirls as a seperate thread.

Embrace the sub-culture you're part of, citrus-tan
/tg/station hasn't been representative of /tg/ the board in years
Sure but I'm just saying don't act like the degeneracy came from some unknown quarter of the internet in response to [x] change

Its been here all along.

yeah that's fair enough

Shezza · Post by **Shezza** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:44 pm #347629

A person who barely plays and only creates drama is saying that a person who's here older than them shouldn't be a mainainter because they disagree.

feem · Post by **feem** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:50 pm #347631

Shezza wrote:whatever

literally who

Super Aggro Crag · Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:07 pm

If appealing to oldfaggotry is the true determinator of code maintainer rights then me and ice packs should be codekings

Qbopper · Post by **Qbopper** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:22 pm #347636

>is trying to play the oldfag game

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:14 pm #347650

Lmao shezza is only here to shitstir

Xhagi · Post by **Xhagi** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:01 pm #347662

Qbopper wrote:

>is trying to play the oldfag game

Good post.

Post by **oranges** » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:14 pm #347669

Super Aggro Crag wrote:If appealing to oldfaggotry is the true determinator of code maintainer rights then me and ice packs should be codekings

you have to be old and a humongous gay