okay sir/madam/preferred pronoun, how would you like your mock meat done?

[onleavedontatme]

Bottom post of the previous page:

holy shit why are there 12 pages of this

it's food. no matter what it is, you just end up shitting it out (hi TCP). who gives a fuck what others eat

arguing in bad faith, reported you to the moderators

[BeeSting12]

lol me and my friends used to buy a ton of nuggets and large fries and lay out a napkin and dump them all on it and we called it heart attack mountain. then we ate it.

[Doctor Pork]

i hope vegan world bad end happens then ill finally have enough time to be a good admin

[FantasticFwoosh]

i hope vegan world bad end happens then ill finally have enough time to be a good admin

What do you prescribe doctor?

[Doctor Pork]

i hope vegan world bad end happens then ill finally have enough time to be a good admin

What do you prescribe doctor?

lentils

[somerandomguy]

does anyone have that mcdonalds admin chart I think it needs to be updated

[Qbopper]

this is the old one because i'm not on it

[Incomptinence]

Last time I went into mcdonalds i just bought some bottled water.

I was thirsty.

[onleavedontatme]

I still find it hard to believe you are categorically against governments or social pressure enforcing norms or rules in society though.

Nani the fuck? Of course I'm not opposed to the government enforcing societal norms, provided they're GOOD societal norms like "don't murder"

Glad we agree that people should be vegan

[The Clowns Pocket]

Daily reminder that all your problems in life are due to the jews controlling the niggers to outrbreed the poor innocent white race for which is a good race

if you see a nigger kill them. I like to call em shit skins myself lol
get it? because poo!

[Stickymayhem]

Daily reminder that all your problems in life are due to the jews controlling the niggers to outrbreed the poor innocent white race for which is a good race

if you see a nigger kill them. I like to call em shit skins myself lol
get it? because poo!

How does it feel that my shitposts get 610 more replies than yours

go vegan

[The Clowns Pocket]

Daily reminder that all your problems in life are due to the jews controlling the niggers to outrbreed the poor innocent white race for which is a good race

if you see a nigger kill them. I like to call em shit skins myself lol
get it? because poo!

How does it feel that my shitposts get 610 more replies than yours

go vegan

why do you hate the white race? do you WANT us to be outbred by shitskins in trees?

[somerandomguy]

I still find it hard to believe you are categorically against governments or social pressure enforcing norms or rules in society though.

Nani the fuck? Of course I'm not opposed to the government enforcing societal norms, provided they're GOOD societal norms like "don't murder"

Glad we agree that people should be vegan

Killing an animal is animal abuse. Killing a human is murder.

[Stickymayhem]

I still find it hard to believe you are categorically against governments or social pressure enforcing norms or rules in society though.

Nani the fuck? Of course I'm not opposed to the government enforcing societal norms, provided they're GOOD societal norms like "don't murder"

Glad we agree that people should be vegan

Killing an animal is animal abuse. Killing a human is murder.

Killing a human is human abuse. Killing an animal is murder.

[ColonicAcid]

im pro to any government wanting to enforce social values only if its social values that i think are good...

[Qbopper]

im pro to any government wanting to enforce social values only if its social values that i think are good...

you say this like this is not the position that literally everybody ever would have

[IkeTG]

im pro normal sized text

[somerandomguy]

I still find it hard to believe you are categorically against governments or social pressure enforcing norms or rules in society though.

Nani the fuck? Of course I'm not opposed to the government enforcing societal norms, provided they're GOOD societal norms like "don't murder"

Glad we agree that people should be vegan

Killing an animal is animal abuse. Killing a human is murder.

Killing a human is human abuse. Killing an animal is murder.

The law begs to differ.

im pro to any government wanting to enforce social values only if its social values that i think are good...

you say this like this is not the position that literally everybody ever would have

That's the point

[ColonicAcid]

im pro to any government wanting to enforce social values only if its social values that i think are good...

you say this like this is not the position that literally everybody ever would have

uh............

ultra-libertarians would not want any government intervention in any way shape or form, whether economically or socially.
same with anarcho-whatevers.

[existence_success]

is this thread seriously still going?

[Armhulen]

I still find it hard to believe you are categorically against governments or social pressure enforcing norms or rules in society though.

Nani the fuck? Of course I'm not opposed to the government enforcing societal norms, provided they're GOOD societal norms like "don't murder"

Glad we agree that people should be vegan

Killing an animal is animal abuse. Killing a human is murder.

Killing a human is human abuse. Killing an animal is murder.

The law begs to differ.

his point is that the laws are wrong because they work on the basis that torturing a creature that can feel pain and can't talk about it isn't on the same level as torturing a creature that can feel pain and talk about it

if both humans and animals feel pain maybe we shouldn't make the entire life of one of these constant suffering hmmmmmmmmmmm?

[ColonicAcid]

i dont think feeling pain is a good indicator of whether something should be legal or not legal.

theres lots of ways to kill something without it feeling pain.

fuck me just give anything enough chloroform or barbituates and they'll die in a minute without feeling shit.

[Armhulen]

i dont think feeling pain is a good indicator of whether something should be legal or not legal.

theres lots of ways to kill something without it feeling pain.

fuck me just give anything enough chloroform or barbituates and they'll die in a minute without feeling shit.

Sure, but because of a mix of growth hormones and breeding chickens for example can't stand and get leg infections and other horrible stuff. it's not about killing them it's their entire life that they spend in pain

besides, they can't use chemicals because the farm animals are dying to be turned into food, so.

[Armhulen]

I think pain should be because it's about ethics, and laws should be ethical enough, right? we have the Geneva Convention to make war less garbage

[ColonicAcid]

also the world isnt fair and nature itself is based on there always being an apex predator that can do whatever the fuck it wants.

if you believe that only humans have the capacity to be "evil" or cause harm and pain to other individuals look at the many cases of animals being disgusting little shits.

dolphins will kill females calves, groups of dolphins will take turns raping female dolphins for weeks at a time. If there isn't any females around that's okay they'll just rape a male dolphin instead, and if thats not all it's also been documented that two dolphins literally tortured a porpoise for no reason other than for enjoyment.

whilst i get the fact that two wrongs don't make a right lets not pretend that humans are the only cause of suffering for animals in this world.

[Armhulen]

We aren't we just think we shouldn't breed things that feel pain into an entire life of torture for consumption. Maybe other people have an economic or political reason but I'm just here because I hate animal abuse on an industrial level

[ColonicAcid]

i wish that would happen to but this is the real world where a near majority of people are meat eaters.

we are biologically omnivores. the cognitive revolution that humans undertook a few hundred of thousands of years ago was around the time that we discovered fire and started cooking meat. this is not a coincidence.

im sure in the future we will figure out an alternative to meat that tastes like meat and is basically meat on a microscopic level but it doesn't involve the wholesale degredation of animals.

and then in a cruel, ironic twist of fate that will be extinction of animals. we are trailblazing our way to synthetic meat to save animals and in the end it will just cause farms to be unviable economically.

whos going to keep pigs and cows as pets?

[Grazyn]

He already answered that but I guess that peaceful extinction is still preferable to eternal torture inside a living nightmare

[Lazengann]

can't we just eat animals that arent bred to be monstrosities

[ColonicAcid]

Ecologically thats wrong.

Ethically its a grey area.

We're going to have to make a decision in a couple of decades time and its not going to be easy.

[Grazyn]

Ecologically thats wrong.

Ethically its a grey area.

We're going to have to make a decision in a couple of decades time and its not going to be easy.

Cows pigs and such exist only to be food for humans, it's not like they occupy a pivotal role in the ecosystem (maybe a negative role if you consider all the biodiversity destroyed to make room for pastures and so on)

[DemonFiren]

your avatar makes me uncomfortable

[Grazyn]

your avatar makes me uncomfortable

It's a powerful statement that satirizes the unnatural prevalence of anime avatars in these forums, not that I expected a reptile to understand such fine irony

[captain sawrge]

the unnatural prevalence of anime avatars on a community developed out of /tg/, the board on 4chan dot org, a site made by a weeaboo goon aping a japanese imageboard

[Grazyn]

As I said elsewhere, the amount of slack-jawed anime girl avatars, especially among the administration, is excessive even for a weeaboo board

[Stickymayhem]

Ecologically thats wrong.

Ethically its a grey area.

We're going to have to make a decision in a couple of decades time and its not going to be easy.

Cows pigs and such exist only to be food for humans, it's not like they occupy a pivotal role in the ecosystem (maybe a negative role if you consider all the biodiversity destroyed to make room for pastures and so on)

No, his point is that the current animal agriculture industry is only so profitable because it externalizes all of it's costs to the taxpayer through subsidies, destruction of the local environment through pollutants resulting in dead crops, human local communities with heightened cancer/respiratory disease (No surprises that they're predominantly minorities), hundreds of fish kills, drought, deforestation and the global enviroment through emissions.

This is not debateable. It is so undeniable, in fact, that many meat industry CEOs have expressly said so, and are shifting into plant-based alternatives now so they can fully switch once the inevitable collapse within the next 20-40 years occurs.

We know it's coming.

Side note: My slaves only exist to be slaces, thus justifying their slavery? Lolno. You don't own a life just because you bred it. A parent isn't allowed to abuse their child just because they were "made to be abused". Neither can you breed a dog just to torture for your amusement.

[Stickymayhem]

i wish that would happen to but this is the real world where a near majority of people are meat eaters.

we are biologically omnivores. the cognitive revolution that humans undertook a few hundred of thousands of years ago was around the time that we discovered fire and started cooking meat. this is not a coincidence.

im sure in the future we will figure out an alternative to meat that tastes like meat and is basically meat on a microscopic level but it doesn't involve the wholesale degredation of animals.

and then in a cruel, ironic twist of fate that will be extinction of animals. we are trailblazing our way to synthetic meat to save animals and in the end it will just cause farms to be unviable economically.

whos going to keep pigs and cows as pets?

it is literally a coincidence. There is exactly as much evidence that cooked potatoes did the same thing. Meat doesn't magic your brain smarter we were already becoming successful and even if it was cooked meat it's irrelevant today. Whatever we are biologically is irrelevant to the discussion because we don't make ethical decisions based on biology. Violent urges don't justify violence, violent tastes don't justify eating food gained from violence.

These farm animals probably won't go extinct due to sanctuaries, and even if they did, this isn't cruel. We made their bodies to be meat and egg factories. They don't need to exist. There is no net loss by them not existing, a non-existent cow can't wish to exist nor can it feel pain

[The Clowns Pocket]

niggers

[ColonicAcid]

i wish that would happen to but this is the real world where a near majority of people are meat eaters.

we are biologically omnivores. the cognitive revolution that humans undertook a few hundred of thousands of years ago was around the time that we discovered fire and started cooking meat. this is not a coincidence.

im sure in the future we will figure out an alternative to meat that tastes like meat and is basically meat on a microscopic level but it doesn't involve the wholesale degredation of animals.

and then in a cruel, ironic twist of fate that will be extinction of animals. we are trailblazing our way to synthetic meat to save animals and in the end it will just cause farms to be unviable economically.

whos going to keep pigs and cows as pets?

it is literally a coincidence. There is exactly as much evidence that cooked potatoes did the same thing. Meat doesn't magic your brain smarter we were already becoming successful and even if it was cooked meat it's irrelevant today. Whatever we are biologically is irrelevant to the discussion because we don't make ethical decisions based on biology. Violent urges don't justify violence, violent tastes don't justify eating food gained from violence.

These farm animals probably won't go extinct due to sanctuaries, and even if they did, this isn't cruel. We made their bodies to be meat and egg factories. They don't need to exist. There is no net loss by them not existing, a non-existent cow can't wish to exist nor can it feel pain

i donut think you understood the implications of what i said.

we're fundamentally, like biological fundamental, a species based on hand-to-mouth existence. throughout most of our history we spent our time roaming around in a small tribe of people finding berries and shit as we went along our constant migration. these were berries and nuts and roots that were not engineered to have as big of a yield as genetically possible... look at wild onions or potatoes.
we barely gathered enough to survive, and we had to keep moving because to feed your small tribe of around a dozen people you're going to strip an area pretty quickly of these tiny ass vegetables.

see the thing is humans stomachs are okay at digesting meat and okay at digesting plants. it's not great but aint that bad either. unlike cows, we can't survive purely off grass, our stomachs are not made to actually break down cellulose. we're also not as good as eating raw meat as carnivores. we can eat raw meat but its not exactly pleasant and its kinda hard to chew because of our teeth.

however, funnily enough, if you heat up meat it solves literally all the problems of your stomach not being able to digest. here's a funny little fact: cooked foods have more nutritional value compared to their uncooked counterparts. the calories the same, which is why on food labels it doesn't state the difference between cooked and uncooked values. but calories is measured by combustion of the food, that's basically using ALL of its chemical energy. it doesn't count the amount of work needed to digest certain foods. when you cook food you basically do half the process of digestion before it even hits your stomach.

meat allowed us to go from hand-to-mouth existence and actually have a good, dense caloric and nutrient intensive food source rather than tiny ass berries and nuts.

[ColonicAcid]

if you doubt the fact that we're biologically wired for a hand-to-mouth existence look at what causes the most death in the western world.

our choice of whatever food we want is slowly but surely killing us. HOWEVER, that isn't a bad thing because obviously our standard of living is far, far higher than what our ancestors.

the only problem with that though is early pre-historic humans were more than likely far happier than any of us will ever be. until they die horribly from getting whacked by a mammoth or killed in a tribal raid or killed from a wound or killed from literally any of the millions of ways this planet wants to murderise your ass.

u know that one quote agriculture was the worst mistake humans have made???

its true. it turned us into nasty, dirty, exploitative and downright genocidal pieces of work.

fuck veganism man vegetables turned us into murderers not meat smh

[Doctor Pork]

not getting baited today no way no sir not me not today

[ColonicAcid]

shoot ur shot man dont be a pussy

[Incomptinence]

Also given the limitations on arable land without the massive modern agricultural yield increases brought on by chemical fertilisers and pesticides livestock provided a way to convert the output of less fertile grazing land and farm refuse into yet more food.

Yes meat was a higher value food item but it isn't like it was the exclusive diet of kings or some other fact bending shit from the zealots.

Even peasants could afford to keep some bloody chickens and while they couldn't afford to slaughter what few larger animals they had for themselves cows and sheep are useful to have around before you even get to slaughtering them.

[ColonicAcid]

its not hard to find animals to kill.

if a peasant put enough effort into it he could find meat here and there. not every day obviously but still.

we forget that before we lived in an entirely heavily urbanised society that before this industrial revolution shite we had rolling forestland that was absolutely full of wildlife. like a metric shit ton of deer and boar and hares and shit all over western europe.

if u got caught hunting it ur ass would get hung but yknow theres risks and benefits in every decision.

[ShadowDimentio]

I still find it hard to believe you are categorically against governments or social pressure enforcing norms or rules in society though.

Nani the fuck? Of course I'm not opposed to the government enforcing societal norms, provided they're GOOD societal norms like "don't murder"

Glad we agree that people should be vegan

You can't murder an animal, they don't have rights.

[Armhulen]

Honestly I don't expect people to suddenly and extremely change their diet for the cause, It's a great gesture and I think sticky is strong for doing it but realistically a lot of people won't

That being said, I think it's a smaller move to just stop at least eating chicken, MAYBE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND but chicken is definitely the worst case for animal abuse on an industrial level.





(This thread made me quit eating chicken)

[onleavedontatme]

I still find it hard to believe you are categorically against governments or social pressure enforcing norms or rules in society though.

Nani the fuck? Of course I'm not opposed to the government enforcing societal norms, provided they're GOOD societal norms like "don't murder"

Glad we agree that people should be vegan

You can't murder an animal, they don't have rights.

Why not?

[ColonicAcid]

why dont robots have rights what the actual FUCK

[onleavedontatme]

AI rights is an interesting debate we will have to deal with one day but it is off topic

[Incomptinence]

I look forward the the day when munitions are sentient.

[ShadowDimentio]

Why not?

Because only people have rights. Animals only have rights if we let them have rights.