Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

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Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby FantasticFwoosh » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:01 pm #208838

Essentially the title.

I might be as of late a unpopular RD IC with my tactics and my personal house policies, but having to deal with the sheer amount of intruders and invaders into science is staggering, as they literally seep out of the walls, before now i've had miners already inside or deliberately break and entering in order to 'help themselves' to the goodies they feel 'obliged' to have.

Even police officers (without a armband and id access) with jobs to be doing barge into R&D or any other science department with no good reason or invitation to use the machinery there, strangers take up xenobio and robotics (without authorisation or access) because 'they know how and its taking too slow' by often hacking a door, slipping through existing ones or vandalising the lab. :x

> I understand people ARE competent with science and get frustrated with the slow progress of science, but people will willingly MOONLIGHT and not do their jobs to instead pursue meta-boners in doing scientists (no matter how competent/incompetent's) jobs for them. Its the scientist's and RD's job to get better and the experience is being robbed from them

> Also i know R&D consoles can be locked, but its often more trouble than its worth as people will go to EXTREME lengths to get access, even by stealing id or hissy-fitting and destroying the console in retaliation to force people to reset (risking all unsynced research)

I think there should be more enforcement of science being as much a restricted area as engineering if not a little bit more in order to keep the integrity, its MORE secure than engineering by design but the attitude of security and server culture is that its as public (and breaking the windoors that are hard to replace and require a engineer to configure to fix) as anywhere else besides having three or four seperate ID signatures required alone locked inside a self inclusive department! Not to mention the incredibly dangerous machinery/objects inside, and a ID requirement to just walk through the main door.

I've already had wheelings and dealings with invasive squatter fellow command staff in the past, who were frog-marched out of there by admin thankfully so there is some admin policy to departmental invasion to a extent but its not too familiar to this discussion.

Such a lack of clear policy on the matter will just have to make me take my RD responsibilities to a new level and outright start locking down my department and applying punishment since it cannot be controlled. Ill have to just get a e-gun and start shooting tresspassing heavily armed officers who want to muscle into my department on the basis of having the upper hand on stun based combat vs the RD's local (i miss the e-gun) telescopic baton (which is nerfed and only truly effective ironically for hitting people lethally with, not ejecting them out of my department, a improvised battery stun prod would be better but that's so crude).

I distinctly remember - Act antag, be treated as antag and i intend to reinforce that on department invaders.


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Re: Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby D&B » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:47 pm #208845

FantasticFwoosh wrote:LET ME BE AUTISTIC IN MY LITTLE FORTE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING NORMIES GET OUT GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


No.

Also fuck you, miners give you minerals, they deserve the goodies. I will gladly cave in autistic scientists skulls that are too busy sticking their dicks in slimes and then have the gall to get mad when you do your own research.
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Re: Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby FantasticFwoosh » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:26 pm #208855

D&B wrote:
FantasticFwoosh wrote:LET ME BE AUTISTIC IN MY LITTLE FORTE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING NORMIES GET OUT GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


No.

Also fuck you, miners give you minerals, they deserve the goodies. I will gladly cave in autistic scientists skulls that are too busy sticking their dicks in slimes and then have the gall to get mad when you do your own research.


We can collect the minerals ourselves from the ORM, delivery is a excuse by lazy/incompetent cargo techs, and a way to exploit your way into the science department. You dont deserve anything and its a IC decision on how to use the minerals we recieve in my opinion, if you were to threaten and fatally maim one of my scientists in retaliation I would personally rat you out to the AI (if a lizard, to kill) or meat hook you on the firing/bomb test range to receive your much needed summary command execution with the permission of the captain and or sec (for the bomb range execution particularly)

The least i would do to shitters is lock you inside the xenobiology main containment with a specialist mix of wild beasts of my choice/ or test lab containment and start pumping inside freon.

We have nothing particularly against co-operating with others outside science (if they would just wait at the desk and not get pissy about not having thier metagame tools ASAP at the expense of poor overworked scientist re-navigating the new R&D system) but you're showing exactly the bullish attitude that im talking about...

im going to threaten anybody who denies muh moonlighting powergame as a miner with lethal force, and its muh DIVINE RIGHT because i sacrificed 5 minutes of my time ACTUALLY DOING MY JOB rather than powergaming to hunt for bosses for MUH SCOREBOARD REEEE. Most of the time im not going to even bother mining once i get my tool upgrades and i will probably waste all the materials getting stomped on and deleted by a drake or falling down a chasm]

I must really hate this job and role because i spend as much time trying to avoid doing it as possible but only want to enjoy the rewards of it rather than the relaxing experience of not having the station in my face and summary people who live there around me.


When did miners and lizards/tg players suddenly start turning into frat-boy sophomore tools who wouldn't know how to respect boundaries any more than how to play beer pong with their armpits, and treat anybody outside of their meta-game cliques (looking at you lizards) like pieces of shit? Its utterly ironic you can't see the complete hypocrisy of what you are doing, thinking acting in that way is the right course of action to bully others and treating the giving of materials to the station akin to 'BARTERING' your 'personal wealth' rather than a collective contribution to help everyone else out.

Most scientists are completely reasonable. Nearly all pushy miners/otherwise who like to and want to walk over their kindness to give out stuff almost free of charge are not.


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Postby InsaneHyena » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:42 pm #208860

> Be sec
> RD spergs out on me and tries to whack me with a baton, all while screaming "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, SEC GET OUT"
> He gets sent to gulag for 1000 points to think on his behavior.
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Postby D&B » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:42 pm #208861

You are the living image of the autistic scientist meme.

They day scientists arm up and mine their own minerals, collect their own points and get their own stuff from lavaland, is the day you can truly say "miners deserve nothing."

You're the reason people like to build RnD bases on mining and steal the ORM.
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Postby TheColdTurtle » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:00 pm #208865

Let's just allow everyone in science right? We don't need proper id's to get in anyways. Scientists should be sitting in the corner while REAL spessmen use the consoles.
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Postby iamgoofball » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:02 pm #208867

i'm going to play security officer, assign myself to R&D, and then arrest, search, and throw out(or brig if they have contraband) anyone trespassing in the department.

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Postby Screemonster » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:12 pm #208869

FantasticFwoosh wrote:You dont deserve anything and its a IC decision on how to use the minerals we recieve in my opinion

gee I wonder why people are trying to get in and do shit for themselves

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Postby FantasticFwoosh » Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:23 pm #208871

iamgoofball wrote:i'm going to play security officer, assign myself to R&D, and then arrest, search, and throw out(or brig if they have contraband) anyone trespassing in the department.


Bless you goof you truly understand why the sec officer has a office inside the department in the first place.

D&B wrote:You are the living image of the autistic scientist meme.

They day scientists arm up and mine their own minerals, collect their own points and get their own stuff from lavaland, is the day you can truly say "miners deserve nothing."

You're the reason people like to build RnD bases on mining and steal the ORM.


Fine if that is how you want it. We literally can and we will because now you're blatently admitting that you exploit your position for goodies, ill set up a mining base and tell you to get lost and/or go die to a drake and sit on a live gibtonite charge. Since otherwise that's all you're inclined to do.


(RIP Gene Wilder)

There is another ORM board in tech storage, the IC bad scientists who steal it are individually bad but also nessecarily paranoid because miners essentially do the same thing in 'hand delivering' ores. Sometimes its born out of ignorance of scientists not knowing that they can build a locker out of sheet metal to drag minerals en-masse.

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FantasticFwoosh wrote:You dont deserve anything and its a IC decision on how to use the minerals we recieve in my opinion

gee I wonder why people are trying to get in and do shit for themselves


Nobody throws a hissy fit when the bartender fails to complete a nuke cola using uranium from the ORM or if botany suddenly doesn't get the nessecary mutations to get a really powerful plant in a singular try of mutagen. The pressure on science by the station is IMMENSE.

Again, this (EVERYTHING MUST BE PERFECT) attitude of powergamers is undermining, as RD i only strive to accommodate and guide my scientists to do as best as they can do. A few rounds ago i had a geneticist asking me "WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING", and i explained to him shorthand on what to do and covertly suggested he 'read a guide' (the wiki) given i wasn't totally experienced in that field myself but still inclined to help. As long as none of my scientists don't blow up the lab and learn the roles they take up and build up experience i don't mind them being slow. I check in every now and again, step in when im needed and back off to let them enjoy/commit to the job rather than muscle in screaming its not to my powergame standards (im on hand to help and direct).

I take a paper copy of the manifest from my console at roundstart, ask for reports and run around scribbling progress notes for all my departments, sometimes i leave the department for a bit and come back usually with something immediate or to further my own director goals (building a museum being one of them for rare objects etc) or requests of my scientists.


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Postby Slignerd » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:00 pm #208881

waiting for this thread to be moved to cuck shed and for Fwoosh to get science banned tbh
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Postby FantasticFwoosh » Mon Sep 05, 2016 5:07 pm #208883

Sligneris wrote:waiting for this thread to be moved to cuck shed and for Fwoosh to get science banned tbh


I play RD on low priority along with a big range of other roles as Morgan Cucker, its not a huge loss though i would miss it if i was cat-banned from the professions and summarily touching a science console ever again.


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Postby TheNightingale » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:24 pm #208902

Honestly, the relationship between mining and research is symbiotic. Mining gives research materials; research gives mining cool gear. Each depends on the other to reach their full potential. If R&D doesn't give the miners anything, the miners don't have much of an incentive to deliver materials; and if the miners don't deliver materials, R&D won't give them anything in return.

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Postby Slignerd » Mon Sep 05, 2016 7:57 pm #208909

People like Fwoosh actually piss me off in a way. As a Scientist, I very much want to provide crew with upgrades and equipment - I want Science to be useful to others. There's a reason most of its designs are related to medical, security, mining, engineering... hell, even the janitors

But for that, I need levels. I need items such as Lazarus injectors, syringes with powers, prototype machines, shotguns... I need the crew to be helpful for me to get anywhere that matters.

Attitudes like Fwoosh's don't help with that - when you keep up with that "rreeee normies, get out of science, you won't get nothin", it discourages people from helping Science, because they know that they won't get anything from the cool things they're able to create.

You actively sabotage the efforts of decent Science players. Good job.
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Postby ShadowDimentio » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:03 pm #208910

Anyone who viciously defends their department from anyone who wanders in are the scum of the earth. This includes sec.
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Postby PKPenguin321 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:07 pm #208912

Holy fuck fwoosh is this a meme

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Postby Bluespace » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:30 pm #208916

It's understandable when an assistant breaks in and prints a million big black dicks instead of actually using the materials for something good.
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Postby NikNakFlak » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:33 pm #208918

This thread went to autism in record time. Good work everyone
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Postby Slignerd » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:44 pm #208922

Wasn't it autism to begin with? You know, the very first post?
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Postby Sidon » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:45 pm #208923

ShadowDimentio wrote:Anyone who viciously defends their department from anyone who wanders in are the scum of the earth. This includes sec.

N-no that's different! Sec is a-always right!

Also lol @ miners who'd complain about this when they're happy to never mine and hunt for loot on their little autism planet :brain:

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Postby BeeSting12 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:58 pm #208925

All departments are allowed to be like this already, right? Especially secure areas such as engineering and security. I've killed people for dicking around in atmos. Trespassing in security is a 200 or more gulag sentence, depending on if they try dunking officers. Seriously though, just let the miners print what they need. And its kinda suicidal to tell security no. Other than that, kick people out freely.
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Postby FantasticFwoosh » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:59 pm #208926

Sligneris wrote:Attitudes like Fwoosh's don't help with that - when you keep up with that "rreeee normies, get out of science, you won't get nothin", it discourages people from helping Science, because they know that they won't get anything from the cool things they're able to create.

You actively sabotage the efforts of decent Science players. Good job.


When inevitably mining stop being pushy assholes, science will ease off and we'll stop being stubborn assholes, and assholes the world round will lock hands and things will be fine. We both have some serious cultural issues that need correcting.

Namely number 1. - Reee get out my lab normies, where you shouldn't even be and using our machines instead of waiting or even PDA'ing for appointments because you dont act this aggressively towards ANY other department where it would get you shot/valid or treated as a real crime.

Number 2 - Reee get out of lavaland normies! (Lava-land is a mutually sharable territory big enough to mine heavily in one section and still give miners work, not some kind of shaft miner-goverment natural reserve in which shaft miners are allowed the practice dragon/monster hunting ontop of their lizard burial ground or some shit) attitudes are understandable but still kind of dumb, we aren't detracting anything from you so why does this bother you so much?

Number 3 - We can replace all the personnel of mining and sec science with drones and nobody will care, hell people might even be more polite. I feel quite inclined to slowly purge all miners and scientists and just replace them with drones.

I totally understand the example you've given but mining is usually the only department where exchanging goods is taken so personally like the offering of your first child, on something that really isn't that important (you can build a lot of items pre-and post new R&D changes on metal and glass alone which is easy to salvage)

Its a fucking mineral you dug with a KA and a set of really over-powered base tools damage wise, the only danger to yourself is not having your special flagpole to a helmet attached to your head and stabilisers and being dumb enough to actually be put in loose danger by sometimes RNG but most definitely self stupidity to die down a chasm in a severe lack of getting good with what you've got or actually being humble enough to ask and wait for science nicely

Maybe i do need to encourage scientists to be more receptive, but like with any other department, we are not minimum wage grocery clerks who need the money and work experience, so if you're being a pushy and demanding meta-game asshole we are less likely to serve or even listen to your orders.

Hell ill make you fill out a form for that shit if it makes both sides (scientist & miner) more engaged to not personally clash that only requires you to spell your name with your RSD ridden miner fingers if the intense autism on show is not enough to make either side shut up into a truce so we can get shit done, when scientists have the shutters down its usually a chance to take the hint, also keep in mind that we're busy with our own formulatic R&D powergaming of a sort which is very engaging and mentally stressing in working out which the next step may be on part of individual experience and ability of the scientist.

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ShadowDimentio wrote:Anyone who viciously defends their department from anyone who wanders in are the scum of the earth. This includes sec.

N-no that's different! Sec is a-always right!

Also lol @ miners who'd complain about this when they're happy to never mine and hunt for loot on their little autism planet :brain:


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BeeSting12 wrote:All departments are allowed to be like this already, right? Especially secure areas such as engineering and security. I've killed people for dicking around in atmos. Trespassing in security is a 200 or more gulag sentence, depending on if they try dunking officers. Seriously though, just let the miners print what they need. And its kinda suicidal to tell security no. Other than that, kick people out freely.


Double standards, you can't suddenly condemn people in places of equal security measure as being shit then say some "widdle miners" absolutely 'DESERVE FOR THEIR SACRIFICE' some things by breaking and entering, overruling and ruining our jobs by fucking up the formulas we had so we dont know what to do next (to the novice inexperienced scientist)

And then never being seen again because they died of their own stupidity/completely go on a tangent of mining into full monster hunter mode because they have 'completed thier responsibility to bring minerals' and therefore a free to play with toys.
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Postby TehSteveo » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:08 pm #208929

Sligneris wrote:Wasn't it autism to begin with? You know, the very first post?
It was. It just multiplied afterwards.
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GUYS I CRACKED THE CODE

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TheColdTurtle wrote:GUYS I CRACKED THE CODE

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Postby FantasticFwoosh » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:17 pm #208932

TheColdTurtle wrote:GUYS I CRACKED THE CODE

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Re: Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby lzimann » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:18 pm #208933

TheColdTurtle wrote:GUYS I CRACKED THE CODE

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Postby oranges » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:23 pm #208934

Honestly it never made sense that a research station had no public access research lab

really makes you think.
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Re: Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby FantasticFwoosh » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:32 pm #208938

oranges wrote:Honestly it never made sense that a research station had no public access research lab

really makes you think.


Its called: Ask the RD/Command/HOP nicely and build your own lab anywhere out of tech storage boards using the cargo autolathe or hijack the drone laboratory that often springs up.

Besides it'd be too strong and people would crowd round and use the thing non-stop unless as RD they censored designs/uploads via the server room computer (if it could specifically target protolathes or the relevant public garden lathe) . Even so they'd scuttle like cockroaches, bickering over it, constantly unwrenching and fighting for it as each department pulls the valuable equipment around, sec naturally being the strongest it would be taken there to aid murderbone and power-tripping HOS's and a source of contention between powergamers and antagonists for different purposes. (chem grenades is a huge no-no for the danger they pose for a deposit of sheet metal)


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Re: Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby oranges » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:51 pm #208942

Really makes you think
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Postby Not-Dorsidarf » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:23 pm #208948

I gave up on RD a while ago because Science got boring, but I've never given a shit about miners as long as they're not printing lots of expensive stuff/ more than one BoH. Assholes go fight spooky monsters for the stuff to make the loot, making them at least twice as useful as the usual braindead whitecoat who heard that science lets them be a changeling and mashes all the buttons on everything

Everyone else got a discreet ":c HOP did you assign any new scientists without telling me" and then gets thrown into disposals if he says "no".

Repeat offenders get to cool their heels in the spare xeno pen.
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Re: Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby FantasticFwoosh » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:28 pm #208951

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:but I've never given a shit about miners as long as they're not printing lots of expensive stuff/ more than one BoH.


BoH


Just a friendly reminder that with easy access to science its easy as fuck to print these things off post-minerals, unless you are looking over the shoulder you dont even know they are printing it until it's too late and they merge the two immediately as a round destroying all consuming cataclysm.

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Repeat offenders get to cool their heels in the spare xeno pen.


We seem to think alike in that regard on using department facilities to enact pain


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Re: Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby Archie700 » Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:53 pm #208958

I love how you do that even to people who are actually doing something, like xenobiology.

There's kicking out assholes for breaking in and fucking around, and then there's kicking out people when they're actually doing your job for you. In front of the captain.

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Postby FantasticFwoosh » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:09 pm #208963

Archie700 wrote:I love how you do that even to people who are actually doing something, like xenobiology.

There's kicking out assholes for breaking in and fucking around, and then there's kicking out people when they're actually doing your job for you. In front of the captain.


I dont appreciate illegitimate outsourcing, let my scientists be bad at their job and learn rather than overruled by power-gamers.


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Postby John_Oxford » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:16 pm #208964

FantasticFwoosh wrote:
Archie700 wrote:I love how you do that even to people who are actually doing something, like xenobiology.

There's kicking out assholes for breaking in and fucking around, and then there's kicking out people when they're actually doing your job for you. In front of the captain.


I dont appreciate illegitimate outsourcing, let my scientists be bad at their job and learn rather than overruled by power-gamers.



the best part is that this is shit enough in the eyes of the admins to justify just beating you into crit when you try to drag someone out of your department who is mad that you and your staff are to incompetent to do something you we're assigned to at round start.

all in all, don't be upset when i baton you to death for trying to telebaton me because a ling had a bag of holding and i wanted to see why.
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Postby FantasticFwoosh » Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:19 pm #208966

Im not even talking about antagonists accessing that dangerous shit, and id probably get bwoinked for doing anything otherwise about it.

Literally any non-antag greytide fuck with a stolen emag can run in there, print off a gravitational gun and a test firing range pin, emag the pin and run off to griff the server or waste minerals on stupid shit.


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Postby Screemonster » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:54 am #209032

you sound like a QM who refuses to order anything at all ever for any department and is then surprised when the captain comes to beat the shit out of you

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Postby Slignerd » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:21 am #209033

cuck shed and RD ban when
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Postby NikNakFlak » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:01 am #209038

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Postby Slignerd » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:35 am #209050

based NikNak

the hero we deserve

let's hope you didn't actually ban the guy tho. he can still change. im sure of it
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Postby FantasticFwoosh » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:35 am #209051

> Summary topic will never be understood and completely ignored by admins because its impossible to have a moderate discussion about it because the people in charged are based as fuck.

I have tried to convey my point emotively, goof gets it and a few other people get it but the moment you label any arguement as 'AUTISM' as a REE IGNORE ALL MY PROBLEMS CALL IT AUTISM AND THROW IT IN THE SHED WHERE WE CANT SEE IT, solution without actually contributing anything to it (thanks for contributing, bgo, oranges and dorsidorf in the actual discussion rather than fondling yourself over how 'autistic' it is) you're abusing your authority/being a selective censor of forum content and freedom of voicing your opinions.

Reinstate it please, this is just niknak being shitty to something he doesn't like without having a opinion on it. Even if the topic has to be remade by a admin themself in a more sensible format.


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FantasticFwoosh wrote:are based as fuck

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Postby Slignerd » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:41 am #209054

It's more that there's no place for policy on things like this, because it's a purely IC issue and not the kind of thing admins would take action on. Having this approach to Science is unhealthy, too - since in many ways, the department exists as support to the rest of the station. I still hope you learn to be better than this, but in the meantime you will see IC repercussions during your rounds, and will become infamous as "that shit RD". Don't be surprised that people fight back when you go full fascist on them and hoard all the luxuries for yourself.
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Re: Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby Screemonster » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:48 am #209055

this reminds me of the argument I was having with someone that was "roleplaying" a borg with no voice module that only beeped and booped and emoted and people liked this borg and thought they were a fun robot to play around with

until someone ordered it to tell them its laws

from the borg player's point of view it was terrible that people were stomping on THEIR CHARACTER and blahblahblah so biased so terrible so unfair most of the players that this borg runs into love its gimmick and so on and so forth, but on the other hand come on man you can't "muh rp" your way out of law 2

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Postby FantasticFwoosh » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:04 am #209056

Sligneris wrote:It's more that there's no place for policy on things like this, because it's a purely IC issue and not the kind of thing admins would take action on. Having this approach to Science is unhealthy, too - since in many ways, it exists as support to the rest of the station. I still hope you learn to be better than this, but since you aren't, you will be met with repercussions. Don't be surprised that people fight back when you go full fascist on them and hoard all the luxuries for yourself.


If you actually cut apart my arguement into my actual demands

> People stop tresspassing on science, get a higher security of standard and enforcement of tresspassing (goof picked up on this immediately, bless him) (Not IC if you want a public lab as oranges tried to point out to everyone, go raid tech storage)

> People fiddling with the machines is not only unsafe (the experimentor gives out DANGEROUS TOOLS and can spawn METEORS), but unwholly innapropriate for stripping work and learning experience from any scientists who are new to the role, SO STOP BREAKING IN NON-ANTAG (Not IC when it happens every round, you detestable mongoloid grey-tiding shits)

> Because a select group of knowledgable people control R&D or science usually every round then push in everybody suffers as summary experience and work is lost, its basically the same group of people doing this all the time and its also stupid that people will ditch thier job responsibilities to do it (this is OOC knowledge pushing into IC so no NOT IC)

> Address the issue of that minerals are not actually as valuable as miners think they are, the value of them is only inflated by demand, so all the miners stop shoving their heads in their asses and just deliver mats to the orm and then suicide/get a job change if you aren't inclined to bother mining any more (summarily also remove lava-land bosses/ruins because now its just retarded and miners are WAY too distracted miners have ruined it for themselves.)

> Stop this metagame cult of personality and let science be incompetent every round or two, pin the blame on the RD for not being guiding enough, the RD shouldn't be a omniscientist metagamer themselves as much as the helpful teacher and mentor to his department (and genetics) into improving efficiency.

Just showing you're all too fucking stupid to not keep your cool and understand the content and issues i've been repeating OVER and OVER listing my valid points more than twice onto deaf ears. Im not even mad that my subject of policy didn't go through, im immensely pissed off that it has been completely decommissioned and ignored by elements not partial to give a good counter-argument. If you actually look into the fourth major post, we were actually getting somewhere, i was cooling off and and actually bending to pressure on trying to mediate the hostile inter-relations with some small suggestions of my own.

> Am i required to now beat the ever-loving shit out of everyone not welcome in my department who touches a machine? because unless we all sit down and have a adult chat over it we wont reach a mediating conclusion.


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Postby InsaneHyena » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:29 am #209065

> Be RD
> Get shot
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Re: Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby Screemonster » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:43 am #209068

you had my support when you were saying that people shouldn't just break the fuck in and take jobs away from the people who signed up to do that job from the start but you lost it the moment your wrapped your grasping little fingers around everything with your screeching about how people shouldn't feel "entitled" to science giving them anything when giving other department's cool toys is literally science's job

it's bad when assistants TERK ER JERBS sure but you don't get to bitch about people taking your job if you're not going to do it

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Postby Slignerd » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:16 am #209072

> wanting to have admins act on simple tresspassing (not even breaking in, just the 'crime' of being there)
> claiming experimentor spawns meteors and pretend RnD is super dangerous, all in order to excuse telebatoning the shit out engineers who ask for welders, miners who get KA upgrades, and shutting down other crew that actually know what they're doing
> lashing out on people who are actually competent, using "muh OOC knowledge" as an argument against being competent, while on a server where the players are entirely free to know gameplay mechanics
> going "miners are not as valuable as they think they are", while most of RnD designs heavily rely on miners' minerals.

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Re: Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby onleavedontatme » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:28 am #209074

This is why miners just turn their materials over to the golems.

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Postby Slignerd » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:29 am #209075

Kor wrote:This is why miners just turn their materials over to the golems.

Please don't do this, we're not all as awful as Fwoosh is. :(
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Re: Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

Postby Not-Dorsidarf » Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:31 am #209076

HOW TO RD:

1] Is anyone doing R&D, or have they all fucked off to make bombs and become changelings? If so, go to 2. Otherwise, go to 3.
2] Do R&D yourself, belittle anyone who says you're doing it inefficiently unless they're actually going to do it themselves.
3] Check if R&D needs any items your extended access / authoritah can help get, like Ai boards, stuff from secure storage, or combat shotguns
4] Wait. Have minerals arrived by 30 minutes? yes: go to 6 No: go to 5.
5] Politely ask mining if they're all dead
5.1] realise there is no mining, suicide / send the toxins researcher to do it
5.2] get yelled at by mining because they're on their way back with a gigatonne of loot
5.3] get yelled at by mining because they're hunting megamemes (but will still expect gear upgrades)
6] Send flunky to retrieve minerals. if flunky complains, do it yourself
6.1] Tell command that flunky is smashing up your department and get them demoted (optional shitter mode)
7] Make sweet loot.

At any time, someone not in a labcoat may enter your department! Follow these steps at once

1)ARE THEY A SECURITY OFFICER? IF SO, GIVE LOOT AND USHER OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UNLESS THEY'RE ARRESTING YOUR FLUNKIES IN WHICH CASE THEY WILL LEAVE OF THEIR OWN ACCORD
2) DO THEY HAVE A WEAPON OUT? IF SO, RUN FOR YOUR OFFICE AND CALL SEC TO CONTINUE NEXT STEPS
3) Is their ID "Scientist"? If so, ask the HOP if he promoted someone to scientist. Call him a cockwaffle if he did.
4) Do they go straight to the console and start printing shit thats obviously not doing R&D? If so, telebaton them and throw them out. Ask, dickbisuits
5) Do they go to a department? if so, are they doing the job there or just hovering? If hovering, call sec. otherwise, tell them to get an ID change to scientist and call them a dongwrangler.
6) Do they just stand there in the hall? Tell security they're a traitor and see if they run away.
7) You have been killed by a changeling while consulting this list. Good work.
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