Science is a restricted area (moonlighting is NOT OK)

FantasticFwoosh · Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:08 am

Bottom post of the previous page:

Incomptinence wrote:Thus in arguing over who was the most autistic that day they all moved along the spectrum together.

The End.

Docprofsmith wrote:Mr Fwoosh says

THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

God this thread has many great quotes.

FantasticFwoosh · Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:54 pm

2000+ views and 200 replies milestone bump.

We did it digg!!

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:24 pm #213358

FantasticFwoosh wrote: We did it digg!!

More like 9gag

TheColdTurtle · Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:45 pm

Why isn't this thread pinned on the cuck shed?

FantasticFwoosh · Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:58 pm

I was a far right policy meme before it was cool

(art request - give the pepe ginger hair, a tan suit *to ss13 RD spec* and the established flag of the sovereign nation of sciencia for the backdrop)

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:38 pm #213446

FantasticFwoosh wrote:(art request - give the pepe ginger hair, a tan suit *to ss13 RD spec* and the established flag of the sovereign nation of sciencia for the backdrop)

there's an established flag?

Professor Hangar · Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:49 am

As someone who makes a thing out of playing R&D all the time I love it when mining takes an interest and wish they'd do it most often. Mostly because half the point is that R&D can improve Mining's efficiency so damn much.

Is getting a mining Ripley even worth it?

lzimann · Post by **lzimann** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:41 am #213524

no, ripley is meh in mining, you are better off giving them plasma cutters(plus ka mods if they are using a KA)

FantasticFwoosh · Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:12 pm

lzimann wrote:no, ripley is meh in mining, you are better off giving them plasma cutters(plus ka mods if they are using a KA)

Actually not true, they are slow but they dig 3 tiles at once, and with a ore box installed (by hydraulic clamping it inside) also scoops up loose ores/sand automatically to be deposited inside, making them effective miners when driving blindly forward.

Mining mobs are the largest issue with ripley's, they have poor combat durability but can be upgraded with goliath plates, its not like they can even hit mining mobs for effective damage trading in CQ.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:21 pm #213575

Ripleys need a shockwave generator addon that only works in zero-pressure but creates some distance to bring the mounted guns to bear.

FantasticFwoosh · Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:58 pm

DemonFiren wrote:Ripleys need a shockwave generator addon that only works in zero-pressure but creates some distance to bring the mounted guns to bear.

Airlift this suggestion idea (which isn't bad but i can't see how it would conceptually work other than stomping the ground to push everything in a radius 1 tile away from you), and your pro-lizard tendencies out of this sacred thread.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:07 pm #213637

>tendencies
Those ain't tendencies. That's a hard-line stance.

Jacough · Post by **Jacough** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:32 pm #214694

Why was this stickied? Do we really need to encourage Fwoosh to act like a faggot?

peoplearestrange · Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:03 pm

It was the first meme of the shed, needs preserving.

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:06 pm #214724

peoplearestrange wrote:It was the first meme of the shed, needs preserving.

Pretty sure that was Anon3.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:29 pm #214759

Jacough wrote:Why was this stickied? Do we really need to encourage Fwoosh to act like a faggot?

>implying he needs encouraging

FantasticFwoosh · Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:05 pm

It is a honor.

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:21 pm #214790

FantasticFwoosh wrote:It is a honor.

No, it really fucking isn't. Stop trying to look cool.

FantasticFwoosh · Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:26 pm

Sligneris wrote:
FantasticFwoosh wrote:It is a honor.
No, it really fucking isn't. Stop trying to look cool.

That's the joke. Im trying to save face.

Literally if you love to talk to and about me and why dont you just marry me already. We could be Mrs and Mrs NTRshed (if it makes you happy i'll be mrs and get propped up in drag) given your popularity rating and polls stink, statistically you're worse than me, we could be like one of those celebrity couples

Fwoosneris.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:28 pm #214793

I mean Fwoosh i sympathized the first time but it keeps happening

FantasticFwoosh · Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:29 pm

Wyzack wrote:I mean Fwoosh i sympathized the first time but it keeps happening

Its just a nasty habit exaggerated by other people, i do argue sincerely by my side but i think i get maybe just a little carried away.

Mostly because im passionate about what i talk about and literally never stop talking or defending it.

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:14 pm #214830

FantasticFwoosh wrote:Im trying to save face.

Well, you're not exactly doing well.

FantasticFwoosh wrote:given your popularity rating and polls stink, statistically you're worse than me

How and when exactly. What are you even on about?

FantasticFwoosh wrote:Literally if you love to talk to and about me and why dont you just marry me already. We could be Mrs and Mrs NTRshed (if it makes you happy i'll be mrs and get propped up in drag) (...), we could be like one of those celebrity couples

Fwoosneris.

What the actual fuck.

TwitchTail13 · Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:06 am

TheNightingale wrote:Honestly, the relationship between mining and research is symbiotic. Mining gives research materials; research gives mining cool gear. Each depends on the other to reach their full potential. If R&D doesn't give the miners anything, the miners don't have much of an incentive to deliver materials; and if the miners don't deliver materials, R&D won't give them anything in return.

This.

TwitchTail13 · Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:07 am

Sligneris wrote:People like Fwoosh actually piss me off in a way. As a Scientist, I very much want to provide crew with upgrades and equipment - I want Science to be useful to others. There's a reason most of its designs are related to medical, security, mining, engineering... hell, even the janitors

But for that, I need levels. I need items such as Lazarus injectors, syringes with powers, prototype machines, shotguns... I need the crew to be helpful for me to get anywhere that matters.

Attitudes like Fwoosh's don't help with that - when you keep up with that "rreeee normies, get out of science, you won't get nothin", it discourages people from helping Science, because they know that they won't get anything from the cool things they're able to create.

You actively sabotage the efforts of decent Science players. Good job.

Also this.

FantasticFwoosh · Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:20 am

Im just establishing very basic rules of that science is not a biscuit tin you should greytide to get access to and take from. If you ask or otherwise (permitting that scientists are competent and cargo is running deliveries or has the disposals running) you can use the wrapping paper from the experimentor room and a autolathe printed off destination tagger to literally send designs to departments.

> Greyshirts/Miners running in and not understanding that (it'll be done when its ready, and we're busy with progression) its literally the most annoying shit to hog the console and stifle your current progress so everything grinds to a halt while they print off objects or push in to do RND for you. Running in and using it or running in to try to hack access to a door before disposaling themselves with what they printed in a dick move.

As i just mentioned, using disposals is one way to outsource our goods without having to handle desk requests i seek to encourage, i just wish mule bots were buildable or atleast commandable to relocate really (I might try experimenting with PAI couriers if PAI's wouldn't mind being whipping boys). There are a lot of self righteous people who get the impression that science 'really owes them personally big time' when really its the whole station's benefit. RND is a 1 way progression tree, and the only two departments relevant to it for tech right now in the current meta are service (hydroponics plants, bluespace bananas give bluespace 5, deathnettles and glowshrooms/glowcaps give good tech also i heard) and cargo (occasional shotgun/importation of items but otherwise just minerals)

> Miners need tools and hydro needs a steady supply of mutagen and upgrades (and gatfruit/rare silver slime food), there usually isn't a pressing demand by the rest of the station to relevant objects since mostly they handle well enough (mechs and weapons for sec for example), I stand by my claim that miners are usually the most aggressive and pushiest because there is a lot of deep set in meta for getting tools in at the quickest time. Lately miners like David Whynver just go after dragons and completely ignore everything else at roundstart, i've seen him go away and come back in time (DURING A WAR OPS ROUND) wearing dragon armour = little to no minerals for science to perhaps build up a supply of working guns with to combat them.

Also people who essentially run two jobs at once (moonlighting) or reassign for scientist and never get changed into casual (duke usually dresses "causally" thats fine because its non-related to another workplace)/science pattern clothes and dont even change their earpiece (still listening to their old radio channels) really pisses me off (It is NOT ok). I demote people as RD who violate these basic rules because they don't adhere to basic code of conduct (which i really need to write up a list for).

> FYI heads up, im going to negotiate with the HOP on rounds to commit to giving people basic science access first, then once im happy they got changed into their gear and know where they are going ill manually upgrade them with my console to the relevant areas, rather than blanket scientist access.

bman · Post by **bman** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:23 pm #231197

Bluespace wrote:It's understandable when an assistant breaks in and prints a million big black dicks instead of actually using the materials for something good.
Other than that, who cares?

>printing 1mill bbcs

my sides

also if you autism fort sci you only prompt more people to come shit on your party.

FantasticFwoosh · Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:41 pm

Adds the mining conscription kit, go mining with your metafriends #21694 - "Free access to science to moonlight"

Screemonster · Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:38 pm

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Post by **Armhulen** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:13 pm #231242

NECRO

FantasticFwoosh · Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:36 pm

This meme was never dead, it just slipped back into the shadows and now it's walked back out again.

MrAlphonzo · Post by **MrAlphonzo** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:27 am #231264

I play Roboticist and RD a lot. A whole fucking lot. Managing all the different departments and making sure my underlings aren't plotting my assassination is a bitch. So, when a miner comes along, or another head of staff, who is doing research or printing their own things is doing me a favor, in a way. I don't have to print them everything they want, which gives me more time to strangle the xenobiologist for trying to release gold slimes or wrestle the toxins scientist who I just saw pocket a double bladed energy sword.

I don't really mind when people try to self serve or even more so help me do research. They're helping research more than harming it.

FantasticFwoosh · Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:58 am

MrAlphonzo wrote:I play Roboticist and RD a lot. A whole fucking lot. Managing all the different departments and making sure my underlings aren't plotting my assassination is a bitch. So, when a miner comes along, or another head of staff, who is doing research or printing their own things is doing me a favor, in a way. I don't have to print them everything they want, which gives me more time to strangle the xenobiologist for trying to release gold slimes or wrestle the toxins scientist who I just saw pocket a double bladed energy sword.

I don't really mind when people try to self serve or even more so help me do research. They're helping research more than harming it.

If you've gone through my thread you'll know that i treat my scientists with good regard, i give them the carrot to aid their repetitive tasks, and give intruders the stick.

You're very much a inverse, i have my standards but i generally leave my own scientists intact so that they can gather experience of the role and enjoy the scope while i check in on them from time to time, keep toxins focused on making bombs & giving back test range results and occasionally check command, the servers & the AI between doing my own set of projects.

> Ill stop them when i need to, but otherwise i trust my crew a lot more than you do, and they atleast barely respect me for that.

bman · Post by **bman** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:15 pm #231386

FantasticFwoosh wrote:
MrAlphonzo wrote:I play Roboticist and RD a lot. A whole fucking lot. Managing all the different departments and making sure my underlings aren't plotting my assassination is a bitch. So, when a miner comes along, or another head of staff, who is doing research or printing their own things is doing me a favor, in a way. I don't have to print them everything they want, which gives me more time to strangle the xenobiologist for trying to release gold slimes or wrestle the toxins scientist who I just saw pocket a double bladed energy sword.

I don't really mind when people try to self serve or even more so help me do research. They're helping research more than harming it.
If you've gone through my thread you'll know that i treat my scientists with good regard, i give them the carrot to aid their repetitive tasks, and give intruders the stick.

You're very much a inverse, i have my standards but i generally leave my own scientists intact so that they can gather experience of the role and enjoy the scope while i check in on them from time to time, keep toxins focused on making bombs & giving back test range results and occasionally check command, the servers & the AI between doing my own set of projects.

> Ill stop them when i need to, but otherwise i trust my crew a lot more than you do, and they atleast barely respect me for that.

trusting your toxin scientists as RD is dumb and gets you killed.

same goes to a robo with a mecha.

FantasticFwoosh · Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:09 pm

bman wrote:
FantasticFwoosh wrote:
MrAlphonzo wrote:snip
trusting your toxin scientists as RD is dumb and gets you killed.

same goes to a robo with a mecha.

> Nobody gets assigned to toxins unless im happy with it, and i commit myself to giving them a quota, as soon as they are bored, there are reports of bombings or that they start to pull suspicious shit i remove the access off their card. Its troublesome that scientist covers all of the mini departments but that's just how it is.

Robos with a mecha are directly in my line of sight for observation, ill call sec if i feel there's a risk.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:43 pm #231420

We all oughtta chill.
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Kel-the-Oblivious · Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:13 am

As a dedicated miner, I can tell you this: You will not stop me from getting my upgrades. I will be polite at first, I'll even bring 6000 mining points worth of RnD fodder for you out of the vending machine, along with a hefty sample platter of every exotic mineral out there. I will avoid searching for tendrils, looting the biodomes, or chasing megas, so you can get your materials before the first 10 minutes (On a good day, some rounds are shit for minerals)

If after throughly performing my job to the point that the only thing you need more minerals for it to make an army of mechs, I damn well expect you to do yours, and have your research levels up to snuff by the time I drop off my minerals. If I return to station and see that beaker of acid still chilling on the circuit printer, you bet your ass I'm going to harp on the HoP to give me access to do your fucking job. If that fails, yes, I will break in. Because the only reason I am on station is: Mineral drop off, upgrades, or cloning. You aren't medical, and I'm not a stupid miner, so the only reason I'm going to be at your door is because I want my fucking upgrades.

Doctor Pork · Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:51 am

bman wrote: also if you autism fort sci you only prompt more people to come shit on your party.

Drynwyn · Post by **Drynwyn** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:13 am #231857

this should be moved to the salt reserve now that that exists

Post by **Armhulen** » Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:07 pm #232026

Drynwyn wrote:this should be moved to the salt reserve now that that exists

Absolutely, it's a classic

FantasticFwoosh · Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:11 pm

I find it appauling that coderbus are making miners more lazy (auto-pickup on bags) and adding new bosses to hunt, though generally its a useful tool, the bag should be smaller capacity, and variety was nice, there ARE probably ways to get around this

Its literally the pits when put in the context of what this thread stands for, now miners can stand around exclaiming...

UH Uh UUUUHH, YEAH BRO I GOT THIS SICK BAG FULL OF ROCKS LOOK I DID SHIT BRO, NUH Uh I RAN THIS DRAGON OVER IN MY RV I SWEAR BRO!! CUTTING UP YOUR ROADKILL IS SO YOU KNOW, YKNOW? COOL AND SHIT, BECAUSE I DUNNO I COULDN'T UH, LEAVE IT THERE YOU GET ME BRO Y'KNOW?

Now these hunters don't even need to exert themselves to making excuses for not mining, so Kor looks good when he points to his mining chart that golems fill up anyway because it wasn't distinguished who was actually contributing to it. Like bottom feeders they just hoover up whatever minerals they collect in their shamless mole tunnels then pass it off for their own dedicated work.

Currently on Kor's hall of fame
> Revolutionary door opening technology with high caliber long distance rifles
> Charts that can't distinguish who's digging rocks
> Frogs (I refuse to comment on kor's obsession with frogs)

Kel-the-Oblivious · Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:54 am

What I believe is being felt here is a shared hatred of mega hunters. People who sign up for miners, purely so they can go fuck off and kill the biggest thing near by, and lord over the others because THEY managed to kill a mega right out the gate.

Fuck those guys. I've encountered one who tried to kill a drake, died, respawned in the abandoned vet office, mined right back to where they died, and picked the fight right back up. He then took all the scales and Staff of Lava, and hoarded them all because fuck the other two miners going out and actually doing out job.

Plenty of miners are miners first, hunters second. We make sure to get the station fully loaded with all the minerals it could need for any reasonable desire from those who need the minerals. Feels good when you drown the QM in so much plasma he buys a shuttle full of collectable hat crates. All we ask for is the tools to do our job more effectively, and to give us something to do once the station's mineral needs are met in abundance.

Get angry at all the hunters, the piece of shit fucks who use Shaft Miner as an excuse to get some robust gear to get more robust gear, until they have all the possible robust gear, and then either just fuck around with it, or run around and grief people. Nothing quite as annoying as the guy who just runs around killing tendrils right at start, and refusing to share any form of loot because, well "I found and killed them, therefore it's mine." That shit is for the people who mine, because if the only thing we had was a large map full of a few monsters and the occasional loot room, we might as well just go back to the Asteroid.

FantasticFwoosh · Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:17 pm

Alipheese · Post by **Alipheese** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:36 pm #233213

This has stone on for far too long. Remove thread. Remove fwoosh. Remove all.

Doctor Pork · Post by **Doctor Pork** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:55 am #233270

This thread is a great moonlighting motivator. Please send it to the reserves.

FantasticFwoosh · Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:03 pm

Just in brand new news, you can now use quantum pads to just get to lavaland and mine for yourself or moonlight without access (which i guess is a double edged sword and OK as long as miners are not pissed off about scientists TAKING ERR JERBS!!)

Science exodus base & faux psuedo science shuttle to lavaland is GO!

XDTM · Post by **XDTM** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:55 pm #236872

A qpad from rnd and back means that rnd is all access

FantasticFwoosh · Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:05 pm

some asshole who hasn't read this thread wrote: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/22228

add: Whenever you automatically pick up ore with an ore satchel, if you
are dragging a wooden ore box, the satchel automatically empties into
the box.

Because convinience. Streamlining. Less pointless clicking.

Spoiler:
Wub you really, but really this is the worst thing you have ever done to me. I hit the roof when i saw it.

XDTM wrote:A qpad from rnd and back means that rnd is all access

If i can't have sovereignty, nobody will, god bless liberal cargo techs and printable tech shotgun shells.

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:03 pm #236915

Doctor Pork wrote:This thread is a great moonlighting motivator. Please send it to the reserves.

you know it's interesting that you say this but this thread cannot die, yet isn't in the salt reserves

Doctor Pork · Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:14 pm

Armhulen wrote:
Doctor Pork wrote:This thread is a great moonlighting motivator. Please send it to the reserves.
you know it's interesting that you say this but this thread cannot die, yet isn't in the salt reserves

Hmm, Really makes you think...

FantasticFwoosh · Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:46 pm

Doctor Pork wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
Doctor Pork wrote:This thread is a great moonlighting motivator. Please send it to the reserves.
you know it's interesting that you say this but this thread cannot die, yet isn't in the salt reserves
Hmm, Really makes you think...

I am the Pontiff of shitposts, and this thread is my legal state, i have no desire nor need to move except in times of great crisis to preserve it; it is the seat of my power, unlimited power!

His legate wishes to exclaim that given that this PR 22312 which grants upon the feeble librarian a full bodied Indiana Jones suit, I do feel that it is detracting from the Memeocracy for not pushing out the boat a little bit further. His holyness puts forward a suggestion.

I present, The (Moonlight) Toad a masked villian within league of the griffin of causing as much breakage of windows and misguided vigilante justice against tresspassers & interlopers upon their 'Hideout'. The belt is actually a freindship bracelet between themselves & the Griffin after heisting the gold out of the last station.

> The moonlight toad works under the cover of darkness with the array of gadgets they own, night vision goggles particularly are a trademark of their dastardly deeds in the pitch black illuminated breifly by the contrast of star-light.

> Whomever the many guises of the Toad may be, they eccentrically are more blaise about their aquired wealth, preferring personal gain from mineral heists & literal theft before displaying them in their own cover, putting the proceeds in display cases and purporting their own worth.

> The griffin only values destruction, the toad seeks to gain from others cruicially what they need and want extortionately.

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:44 pm #236980

we're reaching moonlighting levels that shouldn't be possible