oranges wrote:We do this shit for free because we think the game and community is worth our investment and we respect the investment countless others have put in before for the same reasons, you do this shit because you want to make money of an idea other people have built and evolved.
Any closed source remake that costs money deserves to fucking fail. PERIOD
edit: Also don't tell me about ungrateful, I am fucking grateful for every single goddamn contributor who steps foot into our repo. They deserve all the praise and acclaim, not some outsider who thinks he can make a quick buck off their hardwork.
You're right - and praise I freely give. I'm not stepping on your toes by making this game, nor on the others. Why? I'm not using that hard work that others have put into it - I have to redo every step that every person has made, follow in their tracks, and attempt to make something that honors the work they've done. By no means am I trying to make a quick buck. Really? But thanks for that bit about deserving to fail. As I said - I'm copying nothing that's been done, and 99% of the code in the repo is useless to me anyways. I have to remake the whole damn thing, so there is nothing "quick" about it. If anything, I'm going to end up doing more work than most of the contributors have done themselves. I have to create a mountain on my own when the mountain I'm attempting to make was made by many many hands. A much larger task wouldn't you say?
If it helps I'd love to give credit to everyone, including yourself, who helped make SS13 into the game it is. People can choose to support it or not - but it's still getting done. I'd like your support, sure, but if you're going to sit here and tell me you hope I fail because I invest money into making a polished version of the game, then tell that to everyone out there and all the players who bitch on a daily basis wishing the game was in a different client and hosted with some reliable networking. I don't need your approval - I'm going to finish this, and it's going to be awesome. I may open source it I don't know yet. I keep all of my options open. But again - I'm not copying any code here - it's all original, and has to be.
Also to add on to your last comment there - I can re-create the game with the current graphics, and no additional sounds or features, and do it for...well free. I don't need to hire anyone for that. But if I want to make a more polished version, upgrade the graphics, add a music score and sound effects, and the such then yeah...I'm sorry but that's not free. I mean no disrespect for the many numbers of people who put time and effort into making this game as it is because honestly, on Byond it's a huge achievement. You mis-interpret what I'm saying. It's possible I could find people who could do the sounds, music, and upgraded sprites but will they do the work for free? Will they share your vision and that of the others, or are they looking at paying their bills? What do you think becomes priority?
And lets expand - what if I further improve on and add features of my own based on the feedback of others - what then? You spit in my face without realizing I'm on the same side - I want whats best for the game too but I'm not going to sit here and fill everyone's head full of false promises and hope that the games going to be this grand remake with all these features and such, and say it'll be free. I don't know.
And riddle me this - why hasn't the sounds and music been upgraded? Surely there's a musician out there that's playing and could have done the music/sounds eh? In all these years it's just not been done? Why is that? Because the reality is everyone wants to get paid. That's the harsh reality. I can't change it - I only work within it's limits.
