/tg/Station 13

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Luke Cox wrote:If this is meant to be a total overhaul, the playerbase will never accept it.

MisterPerson wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:If this is meant to be a total overhaul, the playerbase will never accept it.

I've long since learned to stop presuming what the playerbase will or will not accept.

Luke Cox wrote:

MisterPerson wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:If this is meant to be a total overhaul, the playerbase will never accept it.

I've long since learned to stop presuming what the playerbase will or will not accept.

They'll accept small changes. People hate single radical changes.

Kel wrote:this is starting to sound more like a L4D map

captain sawrge wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:

MisterPerson wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:If this is meant to be a total overhaul, the playerbase will never accept it.

I've long since learned to stop presuming what the playerbase will or will not accept.

They'll accept small changes. People hate single radical changes.

Then they get over themselves or go play on another codebase

Kor wrote:Update with people who said they would help:

-LeoZ coding
-Xhuis coding
-Iamgoofball coding
-Ausops spriting(?)
-WJ spriting/mapping
-Lexorion spriting
-Haevacht spriting

Here is my almost realistic idea, in bullet points before the autistic paragraphs

-The crew has crashlanded on a planet

-There is a hostile wilderness, and an ancient alien (the ones who built the gateway) structure that crew have built the station/base around, using parts from their ship (everyone spawns here with the base already more or less constructed). There is a larger, fancier gateway in the center of their base.

-The crew has no means of calling an escape shuttle. They either activate their gateway (by powering it up) or they have to accept defeat and detonate the nuke.

-At the very edges of the map there is the lavaland tendril corruption shit. It will spread inwards towards the base as the game progresses. Tendrils will grow (while spitting out stronger monsters depending on their stage). On the last stage, they will reproduce, seeding new weaker tendrils etc. The tendrils will also now produce some sort of alien weed equivalent around them which has negative lighting, so darkness will literally be closing in on the station.

-If the monsters reach and attack the gateway enough times, it becomes corrupted. Game over.

-Periodically there would be waves of monsters or ash lizards sent that attempt to assault the base itself

-There would be alien structures in the base that required an enormous amount of power to activate, which engineering would have to choose to direct power to to use (slowing down powering on the gate).

-The gate power on sequence would be the finale replacing the shuttle, with a final wave of monsters sent to overrun the base as people escape to centcomm. A cooldown between each person escaping could add some tension and infighting and drag it out a bit.

How this map would impact the different jobs

Spoiler:

Security: Would be tasked with defending the perimeter in addition to beating the clown.

Miners: They've been preparing for this for a while now

Cargo: Probably wouldn't exist.

Engineering: Repairing defenses, building turrets, pushing the engine to the limit to get the gate powered, power on a bluespace cannon to shoot at a tendril, etc. Turn off medbay to direct power to temporarily using the alien turrets around the base when you're getting overrun.

Assistants: Hopefully all die in the wilderness

Medical: There should be plenty of work for them to do in such a hostile environment.

Genetics: Probably gone. Cloning will be handled by the alien DNA vault, which again, requires diverting power to use.

Research: Same deal. Turn the minerals brought back into weapons for the crew. Unlike vanilla SS13, the crew would have something to use it on.

How this would effect game modes:

Spoiler:

Rev: Unchanged.

Nuke: Unchanged for the most part. Escaping on the ops shuttle could be an alternate round end though.

Wizard: Unchanged for the most part. Maybe give the wizard an ability to channel at the gateway to escape back to his den, ending the round just in case he kills too many people.

Cult: Can we just remove cult already

Clock Cult: They also want the gate turned on, but they want to hijack it to bring ratvar instead. More or less the same.

Traitor: This might be the most difficult. Given our current rules and balance it'd be very easy to just kill a bunch of random people and make sure the escape is never completed. They'd obviously screw themselves over doing this, but I don't think many traitor players care about death. Ideally traitors would impact the round through sabotage or shooting people in the back during base defenses rather than just outright killing everyone themselves.

Other map features:

Spoiler:

The crashed ship. The ship wreckage would be out in the wastes, waiting to be scavenged for things to help the crew.

The ruin system.

The Necropolis, or whatever it will be called. The source of all the evil spooky shit. This will either be the far corner of the map, or on the subterranean Z level. Maybe one day destroying the Necropolis boss (concept art soon(TM)) will be an alternate win condition.

Alien pylons that can hold back the growth of the corruption when activated.

*Two Z levels hopefully! Remie is working on being able to see the z level below you, so it'd be very cool if lavaland existed below, and a new biome was outside the station. You could see down into the lava and corruption.

Super stretch goal: Seasons. Much later on if this exists at all I think cycling through one season a week of real time would be fun and keep things fresh. Last week of the month its winter around the base, etc.

Biggest challenges/reasons why this won't work:

Spoiler:

-Scaling will be difficult. The rate of power generation vs gateway consumption, the rate that monsters move towards the station and how many of them do so, etc.

-The amount of work, obviously. This really isn't something I want to do without other people onboard coding and spriting (and most importantly mapping because I hate mapping).

-Change in coding culture. There would obviously have to be way tighter balance if the PVE threats and goals were to make any sense for longer than a week. I think this would be a big sticking point.

-People mad we're not in space anymore

-General resistance to change and loss of some of the sandbox in favour of gameplay that will keep people engaged past waiting for admins to hit the meteor button

-By making jobs important, its going to make low pop pretty miserable and make people extra mad if people screw around and ignore things.

-I can't really articulate why I think admins would probably do something wrong but I can't pass up an opportunity to complain about them anyway.

Reasons why I think this is worth it:

Spoiler:

-People will stop being bored and murdering each other if they have monsters to murder

-Jobs will have goals and purpose

-Antags can tip the scales in existing drama without having to be the entire story themselves.

-Solves the 20 minute shuttle problem.

Shitty map I drew when I assumed this would be lavaland base, but I dont think lavaland as the base z level would make people happy. Could still have an ocean though, oceans are cool. It's obviously a bit different than I described in this thread, but this was drawn a while ago.

http://i.imgur.com/mD5ff5v.png

I'm most interested to hear from maintainers and the host because none of this matters if nobody wants to work on it or have it available to play.

Armhulen wrote:I don't like the idea of a lava sea, darkness should be creeping in on every side.

Bombadil wrote:

Armhulen wrote:I don't like the idea of a lava sea, darkness should be creeping in on every side.

Armhulen wrote:

Bombadil wrote:

Armhulen wrote:I don't like the idea of a lava sea, darkness should be creeping in on every side.

Its explained that lavaland would be the subterranean area. The original map was made with the thought process of lavaland.
http://i.imgur.com/mD5ff5v.png
There's a lava sea the station has a dock to.

Shitty map I drew when I assumed this would be lavaland base, but I dont think lavaland as the base z level would make people happy. Could still have an ocean though, oceans are cool. It's obviously a bit different than I described in this thread, but this was drawn a while ago.

http://i.imgur.com/mD5ff5v.png

I'm most interested to hear from maintainers and the host because none of this matters if nobody wants to work on it or have it available to play.

captain sawrge wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:

MisterPerson wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:If this is meant to be a total overhaul, the playerbase will never accept it.

I've long since learned to stop presuming what the playerbase will or will not accept.

They'll accept small changes. People hate single radical changes.

Then they get over themselves or go play on another codebase

danno wrote:Semantics.

Luke Cox wrote:I just can't believe people are seriously considering dumping everything we have and making a new game. Kor's thought process seems to be "Lavaland works well in the context of mining, so let's scrap everything and remake the entire game around lavaland"

D&B wrote: No more dates with Suki without Chad Lizardcock breaking into genetics and kidnapping her.

Steelpoint wrote: We simply can't just abandon the Space part of Space Station 13 altogether...

Steelpoint wrote:Only time something like this happened was NT station and that crashed and burned.

Luke Cox wrote:I just can't believe people are seriously considering dumping everything we have and making a new game. Kor's thought process seems to be "Lavaland works well in the context of mining, so let's scrap everything and remake the entire game around lavaland"

Kor wrote:

Luke Cox wrote:I just can't believe people are seriously considering dumping everything we have and making a new game. Kor's thought process seems to be "Lavaland works well in the context of mining, so let's scrap everything and remake the entire game around lavaland"

What is being scrapped exactly? The only thing I explicitly said would be missing was cargo, and cargo is literally just pressing a button on a computer and having guns fall out.

Kor wrote:Our rules and culture clearly can't handle exclusively PVP combat. It's just endless arguing over who can kill who with more restrictions on it by the year.

And having PVE doesn't mean you're focusing on it. There are still traitors in barotrauma despite the giant prawns. You have to watch your back in Dead of Winter to make sure the other players don't screw you over despite the dwindling supplies and zombies. There are raids/sieges in Rimworld/Dwarf Fortress but that doesn't mean the internal drama of mental breaks/tantrums is irrelevant. Outside pressure doesn't replace internal pressure, and I think it makes both more fun to deal with.

If PVE is overemphasized in the OP its because we already have most of our PVP work done, it'd take very little work to have our existing game modes function on a planet station.

Scott wrote:I don't see it. You can lose the round by PVE but you don't focus on PVE? And you can still have traitors fucking shit up? It's as if you had giant spiders every round regardless of what mode it is.

Scott wrote:Edit: Also how long are you planning rounds to be? This sounds like it would only work with lengthy rounds and we all know how that works out in current tg.