/tg/Station 13

Bottom post of the previous page:

Looking for PVMers of all experience levels to test bosses and mobs with varying levels of equipment within the next few months.


Bosses will be restricted to mining based weaponary except in large teams. This is due to the huge health pool bosses generally have.

You will get first chances and opportunity to test the latest bosses and content, and potentially learn the boss mechanics in it's early stages.
I'll be requesting a blackout on strategies, content, and general disclosure during the test period if you are chosen.

Bosses and mobs - food for thought.

What makes a good mob or AI?

It needs to challenge the player and think, but must also be predictable and beatable.

Players shouldn't be punished for remembering and making the right choice, and they certainly shouldn't be forced to fight a boss that really they have no realistic chance of beating.

A common and boring problem with AI is their lack of human aspects. Too many games have mobs that just simply charge the player so players are overwhelmed. This is artificial difficulty at it's finest.

Good AI should be able to make choices between assaulting a player and holding their position.


Now onto skills, as combat is unequal and asymmetric.

Mechanics should be plain and simple to understand.

Do X when AI does Y or Z will happen.
Never too many mechanics. One at maximum.

For harder monsters or upper skill ones, certain passive or active mechanics can be employed. Especially if the fight is going to last an intermediate duration.
These mechanics should avoid having a do X or Y mechanic because juggling these actions become a stress rather than enjoyment.

For all bosses, they must be solvable under TAS perfect conditions. Adding in specific mechanics and abilities just to counter and prevent solo kills is cheesy and unrewarding.



Food for thoughtin the development of OWS mobs.

Good boss or mob is something that absolutely curb stomps you the first couple times you fight it but after fighting it enough times you perfect it no problem. Enemies like the Goliath or the megafauna do this.

>It needs to challenge the player and think, but must also be predictable and beatable.

I think you've basically said it all right there, this is a tried and proven practice and you should just stick to it

J_Madison wrote:

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Movement is done each tick right? For all mobs? How about making them hesitate, sometimes sidestep for added immersion? Some kind of mutated tree that moves when not looked at? You can't escape without being followed.

too much load on server to be running AI moving and tracking unless it's kept simple. i think. correct me if wrong.

Idea: salt saturated water, has a thin layer of ice above but can be smashed to make a hole to fish. Ice Carp that spawns and can move only on the frozen over water, looks like a shadow under the the ice, when approached smashes a hole and becomes a regular space carp but whiter/lighter and named Ice Carp? People running too fast/blindly ahead on the snowed on ice (so no need for the ice sliding mechanic) may be ambushed by the carps?

Frost-crusted Snow Mite that has a lot of armor the first few hits, then the ice melts/cracks and falls?
Boss: a very frozen-over snowmite that saps your body temperature?
If you reach a severely cold state it stuns. Ancient Snowmite? Or each 3-5 instances of damage it sends out a pulse of coldness? Possible counterplay by throwing items at it.
Possibly drops coldproofing extract, or a long-lasting leoporazine-type chem?

Random event: heat-seeking swarm: "sensors indicate a large mass of biologicals coming towards the base/station/compound." lots of insectoid simple mobs with a way point (if possible) on the station, a swarm woken by activity, and in search of heat.
Are AI waypoints possible? Or too process intensive?

potential mob ideas listed:

group bosses (extremely difficult to solo even in pimped out, fully kitted equipment)

beastmaster
extreme healthpool, constantly summoning overwhelming force

royal frost family
each family member is a boss of their own
fight them all at once
King - slow high damage sword master
Queen - slow scepter based stun/weaken/crowd control.
jack the sucessor - fast, low damage melee attacks
ten the heir - fast, disarm and slow crowd control
ace the spymaster - reduces damage dealt to rest of royal family. protects weakest family member unless distracted.

bosses
yuki onna
bullet hell.

royal frost legion
multiple enemies boss (several minibosses)

giant worm/mole
bulky, large burrowing boss.


minibosses

bAIne/big gAIs
crashed synthoid prisoner shuttle
one survived in the wreckage
grapple/charge melee based with one range attack
steroid based mechanics

big game hunter/rogue soldier/heavy sniper
vison and movement based mechanics
mechanised based heavily on line of sight, range, and tracking

frost legion
like royal frost legion but weaker
multiple enemies, overwhelming force

original ideas
donut steel

obligitory "we've had a giant worm in the past" post

hello is this still under development and do you still need sprites in exchange of jew gold

bman wrote:hello is this still under development and do you still need sprites in exchange of jew gold

You need to be more responsible and mature, in addition to improving and strengtheningyour own personal integrity.

As of current, you will not be able to pass any tests that signify trustworthiness, integrity, or accountability.

Strength? Personal integrity? Are you trying to create a new map for the game or a fascist utopia?

Grazyn wrote:Strength? Personal integrity? Are you trying to create a new map for the game or a fascist utopia?

I don't hire people that are childish and difficult to work with, disrespectful and untrustworthy.

Bman has shown he has no respect to me and others, and shows no sign of responsibility or maturity.

Simply put all of his posts and actions, behaviour and attitude has too many discrepancies.

Honestly, respecting you beyond the baseline that any human being deserves is kinda difficult.

DemonFiren wrote:Honestly, respecting you beyond the baseline that any human being deserves is kinda difficult.

btfo!

J_Madison wrote:

Grazyn wrote:Strength? Personal integrity? Are you trying to create a new map for the game or a fascist utopia?

I don't hire people that are childish and difficult to work with, disrespectful and untrustworthy.

Bman has shown he has no respect to me and others, and shows no sign of responsibility or maturity.

Simply put all of his posts and actions, behaviour and attitude has too many discrepancies.

well i can't sue him for libel :^)

sadly for jmad his desire to LARP as a businessman 24/7 has cucked him out of a fantastic deal, had he read my page he would have realized that i can do free commissions. jmad has officially cucked themselves out of not having to pay $20 to various spriters every time he wants a new penguin.

ill be downtown.

stop huffing your own farts bman

danno wrote:stop huffing your own farts bman

What a pretentious statement, do you think I'm as privileged as you that I can buy food and not have to rely on my farts for sustenance? Your avatar is also a fucking white male, kill yourself racist nazi

Will be pushing for full scale development August, that is two days.

First objective is terrain generation and zlevel transition. Once this is working I'll be able to make the maps based on a combination of terrain generation and ruin spawning to create a randomised appearance every time.

initially this will be with metastation, but I'll move it onto my own map soon after.

once initial terrain generation code is through, I'm going to push for the first one or two bosses. and maybe a drop.


I will make the toolbox maul a reality.

Anything happening on this now that he's been banned?

Or is it a compulsory on the project.

I have LeoZ working on terrain and zlevel generation however some circumstances have affected him. I'm pushing to restart progress with this month and work through the major steps month by month.

There will be job postings. I originally wanted Joan to work on the boss however they seem to be disinterested and will not help.
I will search for more diligent workers to assist in this project.

A ban will not halt progress.

What if someone paid you to fuck off

Everyones jumping ship lol

s/jumping ship/being thrown overboard/g

can someone pay me to fuck off?

bman wrote:can someone pay me to fuck off?

tee fiddy

Little project FUCKING dies

I have the code for MultiZ now.

I have the code for Zlevel transition.

I will be mapping now.

Progress begins, whenever I choose to map.

unfortunately, the map is reset. I will start afresh. open to new ideas. I could technically try to port it. but it will be a major pain in the ass.

I have tried to get the female to lifeweb female sprite converter, but remie has not finished it and doesn't want to release unfinished projects.

J_Madison wrote:I have the code for MultiZ now.

I await seeing whatever literal turd of code you've discovered here.

Baystation.

*keks eternally*

Way to scrape the bottom of the barrel with that one!

Remie Richards wrote:*keks eternally*

Way to scrape the bottom of the barrel with that one!

Can you do better?

I did and mine wasn't even finished lmao.
If you MUST use one of the existing messes of open source MultiZ systems, why go for the literal worst one? the one that stems (with little changes) from the original Frankenstein of Bay Luna?

What other option do I have?

Bay/pol/vore are the only ones I can turn to. I want to make winterstorm release by xmas.

I can't wait for something that I don't have access to.

What can I do?

The russians did a decent job with Eris

Remie Richards wrote:The russians did a decent job with Eris

Link it please. Unfortunately I don't know Cyrillic and Raz is currently busy with the Russian National Guard.

I could hire people, but time isn't on my hands Remie.

What is: googling 'eris ss13'

https://github.com/discordia-space/CEV-Eris

Remie Richards wrote:What is: googling 'eris ss13'

https://github.com/discordia-space/CEV-Eris

Thank you very much Remie. You're a star.

basic outline complete. basic zlevel 1 complete. going to move onto the fortress/military base/something soon.

zlevels 5 to 1.

are you just using a completely different codebase now?

Yes

Also climbing down zlevels has been made along with huge strides to development.

Looking for cutscene/sequence specialists, similar to ratvar vs narsie sequence. Paid job.

Look out for code conversion job postings in future. Must be able to butcher and sew together code.


All paid work subject to vouching and interviews.

lookin' bretty good so far


keep it up j_mad can't wait to see the final project

So can we just advertise our own codebases here now?

this isn't my codebase

also
Discussing the mapping/spriting/coding efforts involved in creating a version of SS13 that takes place on a planet surface.

mapping
spriting
coding efforts

creating a version of SS13
on a planet surface.

highly considering adding sequencing to certain plot elements, similar to the ratvar vs narsie sequencing.

with that, I plan on adding some music too.

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space cowboy.


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from princess mononoke



the aim is to make something playable and fun even without antags. I want to be able to put this on extended and still have things for everyone to do.

it's the serious design flaw and the elephant in the room in ss13; having fun without antags or with dormant antags.

in some way the current tgstation has forgotten how to have fun without being an antag.
aside from the pseudo-combat of lavalnd, there is little incentive to play roles. there is little roleplay. everyone is self serving.

there will be two side objectives. both fairly difficult or atleast takes a long time to do. both will have different affects on the round.

I will try to avoid the item bloat that lavaland has. the items you get should be relevant instead of an outlet for misfit items. bosses will contain relevant loot, and will be as challenging as the baymedical system.

see next page.

I hate the way your GUI looks