[Bigfatbananacyclops] OmegaShoots - Noted for dealing with a shitter
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:06 am
BYOND account: OmegaShoots
Character name: Declan Cooper
Ban type: Note
Ban length: Note
Ban reason: As an officer, perma'd a player for making a death threat against them, even after they stated it was a joke, the player's arrest offense was minor and as well semi-accidental. Threats like this, that was also obviously a joke doesn't make anyone instantly valid, neither grounds for perma, the player was sitting in the shuttle and spaced eventually by them, it basically started with a really minor thing and escalated to perma.
Time ban was placed: 2020-07-20 08:29:42
Server you were playing on when banned: Bagil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 142370
Your side of the story: I, as a sec officer, had come across two people in the library fighting each other and went in to look to see what was going on, but seemed to be consensual, so I decided to leave it alone, one of them had shoved me, a lizard name Swept, but I decide to ignore it since whatever they seemed like they were having fun. A minute or two later I had walked by the library again, and the two people looked like they were leaving, but then Swept had taken the bat they were using in the fight, and thrown it at me, so I went to arrest them for assault. I get them back to brig, they're screaming that they didn't do anything over and over, and I put them in for two minutes. While serving their sentence, I bring a medibot to them to heal their wounds they got from their library fight, and they ask to be let out, I say no that they still have 30 seconds left on their timer, and then they start slinging a bunch of insults at me, so I put thirty seconds more on their timer. They fling more insults, I added another thirty seconds. They then say "When I get out of here, I am going to murder you", so I baton them, take them out of their cell, and get ready to start putting them in perma, when they start screaming that they were joking. Now, let's go over this part of the note "perma'd a player for making a death threat against them, even after they stated it was a joke", and "Threats like this, that was also obviously a joke doesn't make anyone instantly valid, neither grounds for perma". Saying "lol jk" after making a very explicit death threat does not make it a joke, and even if we are going to assume he had no intention of going through with it and that he was truly joking would not matter because the person on the other end of that threat does not need to make that determination. It was a clear death threat, which YES does make you valid to that person. Now, I was a sec officer, and am bound by the rules to take this kind of situation and dole out a more held back punishment for it, and I decided very justifiably that this was a permabrig offense. Even if I were to leave them in permabrig for the rest of the shift, it would have been justifiable, especially since this was also ran by the warden who agreed to it and oversaw the transfer.
They were put in perma, and eventually their fight buddy from the library was too for something else. However the warden wanted to make things more interesting and started giving the prisoners stuff like flashes and kept having to have the other officers intervene from them shoving him and trying to break out. They do however escape to the front permabrig lobby, grab their toolbag that was never secured, and run back in and start making spears. We again have to go in and confiscate the tools, where they again get into another shoving match with sec and attempt to break out. They were both eventually disablered, tools taken, and released back into perma. Another few minutes go by and even despite all of what's already transpired, I and two other sec officers go in to tell them they're being released, when Swept just simply refuses, and tells us to leave, and when I say that we were going to let them out and begin leaving, they don't object or follow us to stop us and accept, they just stay and we leave. They then break out of perma into space and get back on the station.
After a short search and finding an unknown with eva suit on the station, I ask them to reveal their indentity, and they speak and it turns out to be Swept, so I go to baton them to re-arrest them, when they take out a medical circular saw and attempt to attack me with it, but get batoned again and arrested.
Now do remember they had already made an explicit death threat against me personally, and then now take out a weapon to try and make good on it, and fail. After being re-arrested, they were put in the perma isolation cell because permabrig was already breached and they couldn't stay there or they'd escape again. The shuttle docks and I board, and once again see Swept free, and go to re-arrest. I baton, cuff, and take them off the shuttle, and put them in the departures sec checkpoint and attempt to exit, when the door behind me is shocked. I attempt to open the windoor and leave, but the ai is now closing the windoor so I cannot climb on the table and leave. They then bolt me in. Some other people come over and get shocked as well, and eventually the door is opened and I leave. Someone now goes into the checkpoint, unbuckles Swept, and brings him on the shuttle. This being the extremely small emergency shuttle made it hard to get around and fix the situation, and already the borgs were opening the shuttle brig door for people, and someone was attempting to uncuff Swept, and obviously since they've already attempted to attack me with a lethal weapon, I stun the person attempting to free Swept, grab Swept, and space them from the shuttle.
Why you think you should be unnoted: "The note's contents or existence is unjustifiably harsh to the player's standing in the eyes of admins reading the notes." "Notes that contain admin opinions that unfairly paint the player in a bad light are one example." While in the dealing of this ahelp with the admin, I had told them of a situation where I was involved with a similar thing, made a threatening joke to sec, got perma round ended for it, and was told that it was perfectly justifiable because you are not allowed to make death threats to someone IC and not expect to be dealt with. Swept was being released from their punishment even despite everything said above, declined the gesture, and then attempted to attack me with a 15 brute weapon in the end and failed. When being detained afterwards, someone wanted to try to free them, and with no way to reasonably keep them secure since the ASIMOV ai was aiding them, the borgs were opening the shuttle brig doors to help people in, and said death threat and attempt to make good, they were spaced. They ran up the escalation ladder and fell off.
Character name: Declan Cooper
Ban type: Note
Ban length: Note
Ban reason: As an officer, perma'd a player for making a death threat against them, even after they stated it was a joke, the player's arrest offense was minor and as well semi-accidental. Threats like this, that was also obviously a joke doesn't make anyone instantly valid, neither grounds for perma, the player was sitting in the shuttle and spaced eventually by them, it basically started with a really minor thing and escalated to perma.
Time ban was placed: 2020-07-20 08:29:42
Server you were playing on when banned: Bagil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 142370
Your side of the story: I, as a sec officer, had come across two people in the library fighting each other and went in to look to see what was going on, but seemed to be consensual, so I decided to leave it alone, one of them had shoved me, a lizard name Swept, but I decide to ignore it since whatever they seemed like they were having fun. A minute or two later I had walked by the library again, and the two people looked like they were leaving, but then Swept had taken the bat they were using in the fight, and thrown it at me, so I went to arrest them for assault. I get them back to brig, they're screaming that they didn't do anything over and over, and I put them in for two minutes. While serving their sentence, I bring a medibot to them to heal their wounds they got from their library fight, and they ask to be let out, I say no that they still have 30 seconds left on their timer, and then they start slinging a bunch of insults at me, so I put thirty seconds more on their timer. They fling more insults, I added another thirty seconds. They then say "When I get out of here, I am going to murder you", so I baton them, take them out of their cell, and get ready to start putting them in perma, when they start screaming that they were joking. Now, let's go over this part of the note "perma'd a player for making a death threat against them, even after they stated it was a joke", and "Threats like this, that was also obviously a joke doesn't make anyone instantly valid, neither grounds for perma". Saying "lol jk" after making a very explicit death threat does not make it a joke, and even if we are going to assume he had no intention of going through with it and that he was truly joking would not matter because the person on the other end of that threat does not need to make that determination. It was a clear death threat, which YES does make you valid to that person. Now, I was a sec officer, and am bound by the rules to take this kind of situation and dole out a more held back punishment for it, and I decided very justifiably that this was a permabrig offense. Even if I were to leave them in permabrig for the rest of the shift, it would have been justifiable, especially since this was also ran by the warden who agreed to it and oversaw the transfer.
They were put in perma, and eventually their fight buddy from the library was too for something else. However the warden wanted to make things more interesting and started giving the prisoners stuff like flashes and kept having to have the other officers intervene from them shoving him and trying to break out. They do however escape to the front permabrig lobby, grab their toolbag that was never secured, and run back in and start making spears. We again have to go in and confiscate the tools, where they again get into another shoving match with sec and attempt to break out. They were both eventually disablered, tools taken, and released back into perma. Another few minutes go by and even despite all of what's already transpired, I and two other sec officers go in to tell them they're being released, when Swept just simply refuses, and tells us to leave, and when I say that we were going to let them out and begin leaving, they don't object or follow us to stop us and accept, they just stay and we leave. They then break out of perma into space and get back on the station.
After a short search and finding an unknown with eva suit on the station, I ask them to reveal their indentity, and they speak and it turns out to be Swept, so I go to baton them to re-arrest them, when they take out a medical circular saw and attempt to attack me with it, but get batoned again and arrested.
Now do remember they had already made an explicit death threat against me personally, and then now take out a weapon to try and make good on it, and fail. After being re-arrested, they were put in the perma isolation cell because permabrig was already breached and they couldn't stay there or they'd escape again. The shuttle docks and I board, and once again see Swept free, and go to re-arrest. I baton, cuff, and take them off the shuttle, and put them in the departures sec checkpoint and attempt to exit, when the door behind me is shocked. I attempt to open the windoor and leave, but the ai is now closing the windoor so I cannot climb on the table and leave. They then bolt me in. Some other people come over and get shocked as well, and eventually the door is opened and I leave. Someone now goes into the checkpoint, unbuckles Swept, and brings him on the shuttle. This being the extremely small emergency shuttle made it hard to get around and fix the situation, and already the borgs were opening the shuttle brig door for people, and someone was attempting to uncuff Swept, and obviously since they've already attempted to attack me with a lethal weapon, I stun the person attempting to free Swept, grab Swept, and space them from the shuttle.
Why you think you should be unnoted: "The note's contents or existence is unjustifiably harsh to the player's standing in the eyes of admins reading the notes." "Notes that contain admin opinions that unfairly paint the player in a bad light are one example." While in the dealing of this ahelp with the admin, I had told them of a situation where I was involved with a similar thing, made a threatening joke to sec, got perma round ended for it, and was told that it was perfectly justifiable because you are not allowed to make death threats to someone IC and not expect to be dealt with. Swept was being released from their punishment even despite everything said above, declined the gesture, and then attempted to attack me with a 15 brute weapon in the end and failed. When being detained afterwards, someone wanted to try to free them, and with no way to reasonably keep them secure since the ASIMOV ai was aiding them, the borgs were opening the shuttle brig doors to help people in, and said death threat and attempt to make good, they were spaced. They ran up the escalation ladder and fell off.