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[FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby NecromancerAnne » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:01 pm #571568

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Character name: Jodie Jensen
Ban type: Note
Ban length: Note
Ban reason: Over-escalation, killed a scientist who used stun nanites a total of 6 times over the course of the round on 3 people, please don't murder people for non harmful stuff in future
Time ban was placed: 05/08/2020 11:10pm +10 UTC
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 143591

Your side of the story: The note itself leaves out a considerable amount of context to what actually lead to this situation occurring. It's more than just that they stunned me and the mime, but that they seemed to actually be using it to goad people using the stun as a bait into fighting them and getting killed. They specifically attacked the mime with their own spear while we were both observing the lawyer being shot down by the detective for some reason. I was around just because I might be asked to heal the lawyer as a paramedic. The stun was sudden but given it was ranged and had no origin, I basically had to conclude they were responsible, and I had in fact implanted the nanites because the viro had been the one to make them. Or I assume so anyway. So this person had sabotaged otherwise healthy nanites. That's basically two counts of active grief and antagonistic behaviour.

As a result, I fled and used my paramedic access to get into the nanite chamber and deactivate the nanites neural shock program while retaining the rest of the programs. The mime and Edgar Pope, who was janitor that round, arrived soon after, so I imagine the mime told them the same thing, as I had told the mime I already knew what the scientist was doing to us. I told them I already disabled it and we left it at that. I had also told the virologist the situation while he was getting genetic upgrades in the room next door. It was delta station. He was surprised and set about reprogramming them a little more. He could have been in on it, but given nothing came of it I could only assume it was only the scientist actively using the nanites maliciously, and I had no evidence to the contrary so I trusted he was genuinely surprised.

I tried to locate an officer to tell them what was happening, and found John Irish. He seemed more preoccupied killing a traitor roboticist and his emagged borg, so I left him to his business after trying to get his attention a few times, and then I pulled the arm mounted laser rifle out of the roboticist and went and had it implanted with a med doctor. Because lasers are cool, and I have reasonable deniability about this antag weapon given security can see my role. I mean, they could kill me for it still, but at least I'll have the moral upper hand. And it's what I get for having an antag weapon.

I tried telling the captain over PDA about the situation and also didn't receive a response.

And later I spotted them in departures and confronted them. I asked them why they did it, to which they responded that they didn't and they were seemingly lying to me. They then ran. I chased, ran into the HoS along the way. I asked him to follow me, told him the scientist had rigged the nanites. No response. I went to the nanite room.

Now, if you know anything about nanites, they 're fucking scary. Sabotaging them isn't just a mild inconvenience. They could hook up a precision explosion into the nanites to take me out then and there. And since they had ran to the cloud console, I could only assume they were about to do exactly that. Given the HoS hadn't followed, I knew I was probably going to die or the whole station was about to die if they chose to detonate all the nanites people had, and a lot of people had nanites. And it could come in any second. So I shot them dead with the arm laser.

In every instance, I gave them a chance to come clean, tried to inform authorities and found myself the only person who could deal with someone actively being malicious with the nanites that the whole station had taken. I resolved the problem in a non-aggressive way initially and tried to diplomacy with them. When that proved unsuccessful, I just did the logical thing and took them out. If they were an antagonist, I took steps to be careful about lings. I put them to gunpoint as a corpse and tied them while I searched their stuff. If they were a ling waiting for me to leave, I left it at that because I didn't want to bother with gibbing them, the shuttle was here. But if they were a traitor, I wasn't reviving them either way, so I just left. I didn't find anything in their bag, so I had no idea either way. But I felt the matter was settled and escalation followed. A stun is a lethal attack, and already liable for me to beat him up by escalation.

But I had taken steps to avoid having to deal with it directly myself with aggression and tried to talk. He was right at that console when I had told him I disabled his stun nanites. There is nothing more damning than running to your killing tool when confronted about the fact.

I'm then immediately messaged by Fatal. Unfortunately while they were messaging me, a mouse appeared in our kitchen and scared our roommate. I was a little absent for most of the remaining messages, but I tried to convey as quickly as I could my position and the issue with leaving them to just mess with the nanites further.

Also, I need to go into town to get a mouse trap. I hate mice but I hate hurting animals. It's been storming here and it probably wandered in and I feel bad for it.

Please leave a like and comment in the section below and a big F for the mouse. It is a big anxiety moment.

Why you think you should be unbanned: The note is deceptive as hell, leaves me looking like some frothing validhunter when In fact I took steps to try and get them to fess up and try and let the actual roles responsible for this to deal with the problem, and when left without a choice I put them down. Is this what standing your ground means?

I don't know how talking to someone and asking them why they rigged my nanites with a weapon is overescalation, but there you go. Maybe I should have taken the nanite breakdown bomb and lived with it because then it's overescalation for sure given I didn't touch them at all other then to try and get them off the mime they were deliberately baiting. I already was bombed by someone this very same round in an act of grief so you know I was already on alert for this shit given I lived from that situation by the skin of my teeth and nearly overdosing on aiuri.

I basically would prefer the note to either recognize the situation leading up to it at minimum but given I don't even consider this to be noteworthy in the first place, I'd prefer removal.

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby Fatal » Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:56 pm #571571

Nanite logs: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... nites.html
Attack logs: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... attack.txt
Game logs (for all the chat): https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... /game.html
Related nanite stuff:

Spoiler:
12:06:55 [0x2008b3a] (117,89,2) || the nanite cloud controller Kekium/(Kira Walker) uploaded program Neural Shock to cloud #1
12:15:08 [mob_414] (152,101,2) || Phoder-Frss 's Neural Shock nanite program was triggered by Kekium/(Kira Walker) with code 99.
12:15:25 [mob_414] (152,101,2) || Phoder-Frss 's Neural Shock nanite program was triggered by Kekium/(Kira Walker) with code 99.
12:15:28 [mob_414] (152,101,2) || Phoder-Frss 's Neural Shock nanite program was triggered by Kekium/(Kira Walker) with code 99.
12:29:20 [mob_413] (185,131,2) || The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival 's Neural Shock nanite program was triggered by Kekium/(Kira Walker) with code 99.
12:29:25 [mob_413] (185,131,2) || The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival 's Neural Shock nanite program was triggered by Kekium/(Kira Walker) with code 99.
12:29:43 [mob_435] (183,131,2) || Jodie Jensen 's Neural Shock nanite program was triggered by Kekium/(Kira Walker) with code 99.
12:31:29 [0x2008b3a] (117,89,2) || the nanite cloud controller NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) deleted program Neural Shock from cloud #1


Here we can see Kira does upload neural shock to the cloud and stuns 3 people 6 times with it, dick move I agree

Situation with the mime here, which is right after the mime was stunned by the shock nanite program triggered by Kira

Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:29:30.353] ATTACK: Kekium/(Kira Walker) has attacked BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) with spear (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 90) (Starboard Primary Hallway (185,131,2))
[2020-08-05 12:29:35.487] ATTACK: Kekium/(Kira Walker) has thrown the spear (Starboard Primary Hallway (176,130,2))
[2020-08-05 12:29:35.656] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has suffered: Weeping Avulsion | Damage: 35 (rolled 145/145.109) | WB: -15 | BWB: 15 (Starboard Primary Hallway (183,130,2))
[2020-08-05 12:29:35.663] ATTACK: Kekium/(Kira Walker) has threw and hit BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) with the spear (NEWHP: 77) (Starboard Primary Hallway (175,130,2))


Small scuffle between the 2 of you:

Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:29:46.862] ATTACK: Kekium/(Kira Walker) has grabbed NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) passive grab (NEWHP: 100) (Starboard Primary Hallway (183,131,2))
[2020-08-05 12:29:48.760] ATTACK: Kekium/(Kira Walker) has shoved NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) (NEWHP: 100) (Starboard Primary Hallway (178,131,2))
[2020-08-05 12:29:50.376] ATTACK: Kekium/(Kira Walker) has kicked NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) (NEWHP: 85) (Starboard Primary Hallway (179,131,2))
[2020-08-05 12:29:50.377] ATTACK: Kekium/(Kira Walker) has got a stun punch with their previous punch NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) (NEWHP: 85) (Starboard Primary Hallway (179,131,2))


Some more shit with the mime:

Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:33:41.071] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has shoved Kekium/(Kira Walker) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 85) (Central Primary Hallway (140,148,2))
[2020-08-05 12:33:42.354] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has kicks Kekium/(Kira Walker) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 85) (Central Primary Hallway (140,148,2))
[2020-08-05 12:33:42.358] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has shoved Kekium/(Kira Walker) (NEWHP: 85) (Central Primary Hallway (140,148,2))
[2020-08-05 12:33:45.319] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has grabbed Kekium/(Kira Walker) passive grab (NEWHP: 85) (Central Primary Hallway (139,148,2))
[2020-08-05 12:33:46.541] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has grabbed Kekium/(Kira Walker) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 85) (Central Primary Hallway (139,148,2))
[2020-08-05 12:33:48.190] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has handcuffed Kekium/(Kira Walker) (NEWHP: 85) (Central Primary Hallway (139,148,2))
[2020-08-05 12:33:48.549] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has shoved Kekium/(Kira Walker) (NEWHP: 85) (Central Primary Hallway (139,148,2))
[2020-08-05 12:34:04.002] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has stripped the cable restraints off Kekium/(Kira Walker) (NEWHP: 85) (Central Primary Hallway (136,148,2))
[2020-08-05 12:34:06.276] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has shaken Kekium/(Kira Walker) (NEWHP: 85) (Central Primary Hallway (136,148,2))


After this, a blob appears and multiple people fight it, not including the majority of those logs here because it's pointless

However, the mime saves Kira here

Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:36:39.690] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has injected Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the epinephrine medipen (Epinephrine, Formaldehyde and Sanguirite) (NEWHP: -29) (Port Maintenance (121,107,2))
[2020-08-05 12:37:29.539] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has healed Kekium/(Kira Walker) with suture (NEWHP: 2.9) (Medbay Treatment Center (182,94,2))
[2020-08-05 12:37:30.916] ATTACK: BrotherBeyond/(The Big Bad Terrorist Red Men From A Rival) has healed Kekium/(Kira Walker) with suture (NEWHP: 13.4) (Medbay Treatment Center (182,94,2))


Both return to fight the blob after this, and the blob dies

Later on, you find Kira and shoot them down and saw them after death for good measure

Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:53:44.566] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: 63.5) (Nanite Lab (118,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:45.004] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: 48.5) (Nanite Lab (118,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:45.615] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: 34.5) (Nanite Lab (118,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:46.268] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: 20.8) (Nanite Lab (118,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:46.936] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: 5.8) (Nanite Lab (118,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:47.608] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: -7.7) (Nanite Lab (118,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:48.554] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has fired at Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser from Nanite Lab (NEWHP: -21.1) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:48.606] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: -21.1) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:49.250] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has fired at Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser from Nanite Lab (NEWHP: -35.1) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:49.340] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: -35.1) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:50.015] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has fired at Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser from Nanite Lab (NEWHP: -48.7) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:50.066] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: -48.7) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:50.563] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has fired at Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser from Nanite Lab (NEWHP: -62.7) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:50.617] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: -62.7) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:51.064] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has fired at Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser from Nanite Lab (NEWHP: -76.7) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:51.153] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: -76.1) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:51.661] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has fired at Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser from Nanite Lab (NEWHP: -90.1) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:51.744] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has shot Kekium/(Kira Walker) with the laser (NEWHP: -90.1) (Nanite Lab (119,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:51.751] ATTACK: Kekium/(Kira Walker) has died (BRUTE: 0, BURN: 177.2, TOX: 36.5, OXY: 0, CLONE: 0) (Nanite Lab (117,88,2))

[2020-08-05 12:54:03.114] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has attacked *no key*/(Kira Walker) with circular saw (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -111.9) (Nanite Lab (118,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:54:04.208] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has attacked *no key*/(Kira Walker) with circular saw (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -121.8) (Nanite Lab (118,88,2))
[2020-08-05 12:54:05.377] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has attacked *no key*/(Kira Walker) with circular saw (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -131) (Nanite Lab (118,88,2))

These continue for some time, no point putting them all in, until this final hit

[2020-08-05 12:54:30.680] ATTACK: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) has attacked *no key*/(Kira Walker) with circular saw (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -347.4) (Nanite Lab (118,87,2))


Okay that's a lot of logs but from what I can see between the 2 of you, there was a small scuffle earlier in the round with some shoving, they used stun nanites on you, the mime, and another player, and then you shoot them with a laser, and circular saw them and leave their body in the nanite lab

Some talking before the shooting:

Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:51:12.279] SAY: 12:51:12.279] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "hello!" (Nanite Lab (117,86,2))
[2020-08-05 12:51:56.308] SAY: 12:51:56.308] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "oh no" (Departure Lounge (143,58,2))
[2020-08-05 12:52:22.826] SAY: 12:52:22.826] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "what was with the nanites, huh?" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))
[2020-08-05 12:52:26.018] SAY: 12:52:26.018] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "rude" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))
[2020-08-05 12:52:34.628] SAY: 12:52:34.628] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "yeah!" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))
[2020-08-05 12:52:46.241] SAY: 12:52:46.241] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "your nanites were rigged to stun people" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))
[2020-08-05 12:52:55.228] SAY: 12:52:55.228] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "you literally used it on me" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:01.388] SAY: 12:53:01.388] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "I had to delete it from the nanite web" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:11.790] SAY: 12:53:11.790] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "yeah, what about it?" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:37.278] SAY: 12:53:37.278] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "Kira is going to kill us with the nanites" (Research Division (140,91,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:38.727] SAY: 12:53:38.727] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "Come iwth me" (Research Division (140,91,2))

Time of the attack

[2020-08-05 12:54:34.839] SAY: 12:54:34.839] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "why does this take so long" (Nanite Lab (118,87,2))
[2020-08-05 12:56:03.869] SAY: 12:56:03.869] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "my snacks" (Abandoned Research Lab (97,77,2))
[2020-08-05 12:56:05.636] SAY: 12:56:05.636] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "bitch" (Abandoned Research Lab (97,77,2))


As you say, they didn't respond and ran to the nanite room, whether they missed your chat or outright just ignored you, I don't know, but there was literally no response from Kira to any of this, however, looking through the logs more thoroughly, I still stand by my original ruling, this was a dick move on Kira's part to put stun nanites in, however, they were used minimally, only the only harm was on the mime, who would have been justified in killing Kira but instead healed them as they fought the blob and thus killing them was too far, you can't assume someone is going to do something bad and kill them pre-emptively when they did very little to you (the shoves and punch) previously

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby NecromancerAnne » Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:19 pm #571588

They did actually respond. You can tell where they're fleeing by the fact that they were spamming the clap emote in the logs. It leaves a bread trail leading into science. I'll break it down for you. First, to clarify, that hello was actually to a scientist in genetics and I was just saying hi.

Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:51:12.279] SAY: 12:51:12.279] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "hello!" (Nanite Lab (117,86,2))
[2020-08-05 12:51:15.117] SAY: 12:51:15.117] SAY: KarasikTheYoba/(Trent Hardie) "Ayy" (Genetics Lab (114,86,2))


See? That's seconds apart, he seemed to be complaining about stuff and I said hello while I was going in to get mutations, but I didn't end up doing so since he was in there and that was probably rude.

Anyway

Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:52:22.826] SAY: 12:52:22.826] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "what was with the nanites, huh?" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))
[2020-08-05 12:52:26.018] SAY: 12:52:26.018] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "rude" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))

[2020-08-05 12:52:31.025] SAY: 12:52:31.025] SAY: Kekium/(Kira Walker) "Rude?" (Departure Lounge (152,54,2))

[2020-08-05 12:52:34.628] SAY: 12:52:34.628] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "yeah!" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))

[2020-08-05 12:52:38.750] SAY: 12:52:38.750] SAY: Kekium/(Kira Walker) "What are you about" (Departure Lounge (152,54,2))

[2020-08-05 12:52:46.241] SAY: 12:52:46.241] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "your nanites were rigged to stun people" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))

[2020-08-05 12:52:51.222] SAY: 12:52:51.222] SAY: Kekium/(Kira Walker) "No?" (Departure Lounge (152,54,2)) <Literally lying to me

[2020-08-05 12:52:55.228] SAY: 12:52:55.228] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "you literally used it on me" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))

[2020-08-05 12:53:01.388] SAY: 12:53:01.388] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "I had to delete it from the nanite web" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))

[2020-08-05 12:53:03.051] SAY: 12:53:03.051] SAY: Kekium/(Kira Walker) "Oh about that" (Departure Lounge (152,54,2))

[2020-08-05 12:53:11.212] EMOTE: 12:53:11.212] EMOTE: Kekium/(Kira Walker) claps. (Departure Lounge (153,58,2)) <They've not moved but are now spamming their clap button

[2020-08-05 12:53:11.790] SAY: 12:53:11.790] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "yeah, what about it?" (Departure Lounge (151,58,2))

[2020-08-05 12:53:15.617] EMOTE: 12:53:15.617] EMOTE: Kekium/(Kira Walker) claps. (Aft Primary Hallway (153,78,2)) <They are fleeing while spamming clap, having no other response
[2020-08-05 12:53:16.967] EMOTE: 12:53:16.967] EMOTE: Kekium/(Kira Walker) claps. (Aft Primary Hallway (153,85,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:20.969] EMOTE: 12:53:20.969] EMOTE: Kekium/(Kira Walker) claps. (Aft Primary Hallway (153,99,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:22.269] EMOTE: 12:53:22.269] EMOTE: Kekium/(Kira Walker) claps. (Research Division (148,100,2)) <they're running into nanites


They did respond, and you can breadcrumb their behaviour by the simple fact this idiot started to do an action that has a logging breadcrumb trail. Do you see why this is suspect? If you're acting THIS shady, what conclusion can you draw except 'oh fuck I've been found out!'.

Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:53:37.278] SAY: 12:53:37.278] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "Kira is going to kill us with the nanites" (Research Division (140,91,2)) <The HoS was in the research foyer
[2020-08-05 12:53:38.727] SAY: 12:53:38.727] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "Come iwth me" (Research Division (140,91,2))
[2020-08-05 12:53:40.998] SAY: 12:53:40.998] SAY: PolishUser/(Joseph Christopher Denton) "person who kills that fucking bear gets a medal" (Research Division (140,90,2)) <see? I tried to tell him


Also, I found the mime having suicided in medical, they wouldn't have been able to inform me in the first place about Kira's actions. How could I have known about that? I was as much a victim of the attack as well. Also, it's a mime. They don't talk. I shouldn't be held responsible for information I am unaware about or not informed about, as the only information I had was what I could gleam from my own interactions, and they seemed not good.

And while the blob was being fought, I was having the laser arm implant installed while also helping the medical doctor do the surgery, as they had made some mistakes and needed help.

Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:45:52.779] GAME: 12:45:52.779] GAME: *no key*/(Blob Overmind (544)) *no key*/(Blob Overmind (544)) is no longer owning mob Blob Overmind (544)(/mob/camera/blob) (Electrical Maintenance (87,100,2)) <blob dies

[2020-08-05 12:46:01.907] SAY: 12:46:01.907] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "my turn" (Surgery (190,82,2)) <my surgery beginning

[2020-08-05 12:48:07.546] SAY: 12:48:07.546] SAY: Moments/(Alice Meyers) "sorry about that" (Surgery (189,81,2)) <surgery over three minutes later, I had to remove their arm to take off the chaplain's chainsaw arm they had accidentally picked up
[2020-08-05 12:48:21.811] SAY: 12:48:21.811] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "don't be, you did good" (Surgery (190,82,2))


Here is after I tried to behead them. I had no intent on reviving them either way but I was scared of them being a ling. Turns out, beheading people? Kind of very hard.
Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:54:34.839] SAY: 12:54:34.839] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "why does this take so long" (Nanite Lab (118,87,2))


This bit was after searching them. They had stolen my snack rig when they stunned me. I thought it was funny to say this. I was handing out snacks to people. It used to be the mimes snack rig.
Spoiler:
[2020-08-05 12:56:03.869] SAY: 12:56:03.869] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "my snacks" (Abandoned Research Lab (97,77,2))
[2020-08-05 12:56:05.636] SAY: 12:56:05.636] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "bitch" (Abandoned Research Lab (97,77,2))

[2020-08-05 12:57:40.629] SAY: 12:57:40.629] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "can I offer you a snack in this trying time?" (Departure Lounge (153,57,2)) <I'm offering the CE a snack, then the mouse attacked!!
[2020-08-05 12:57:44.310] SAY: 12:57:44.310] SAY: Mycology/(Goldgrin Bronzebeard) "Sure" (Departure Lounge (152,56,2))
[2020-08-05 12:57:51.644] SAY: 12:57:51.644] SAY: NecromancerAnne/(Jodie Jensen) "it&#39;s pwr game" (Departure Lounge (153,57,2))

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby Fatal » Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:56 pm #571593

Alright, I can see they did respond, I missed those logs, that's my bad

Even so, I don't think that's enough evidence to round remove someone, the stuns they gave you weren't harmful and they never actually harmed you in that round besides a single punch, and they only triggered that on you once, which was a not insignificant 25 minutes prior to you killing them

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby NecromancerAnne » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:17 pm #571595

If they were willing to use stun nanites on me, and knew their potential, and I knew the potential of those nanties and they were ACTIVELY killbaiting people, where exactly am I in the wrong to not assume they're going to go drop something far, far worse on me via their active sabotage? They got the response they wanted, why should they be entitled to crying to the admins at that point?

I should not be held accountable for the grief others inflict on me when I respond to it in a rational manner. Stunning has, and always has been, considered a lethal attack. Especially this kind, which you cannot respond to and is potentially remote. This is practically telling me that because even though I was trying my best to get answers in a constructive manner, I still get slapped down when they don't articulate anything other than a demonstrate they intend to continue their behavior, and so the onus is on me to roll over and die on the principle of the matter, if it came to that.

To highlight what they can do to you via nanites, remotely, to everyone with those nanites:

You can chain stun someone repeatedly. This includes the traditional stun, but also includes fake death, which makes me both unable to call for help and also can put me into a perpetual limbo if they so chose. Our nanites were augmented by a virus that replenished them constantly, so this can be a very, very, very long time.
You can 100-0 via explosions, poisons, so on, without warning and without prevention without accessing that console directly. They can do this both remotely and targeted via remote control. This is how they stunned us.
You can zero it in on a single person via a remote control, so if they wanted to do so, they could just take out ME explicitly with nobody else the wiser.

Their actions hold a considerable amount of potential lethality and danger that you don't seem to fully appreciate, and I blame that on a lack of knowledge on your part. Either you are ignorant of what nanites can do, or you believe that since it was ONLY stuns, what you fail to acknowledge is that it's a ranged invisible stun that has the potential, if rigged, to be so much more.

While their previous behaviour was just a stun, what am I to assume now that they're running back to the console after this confrontation? Only the worst, and they themselves gave me this impression. They and I were not ignorant to what they were doing. They banked on you being ignorant, and you fell for it, apparently.

A random stun and attack is a textbook example of a killbait. I didn't take the bait then, I followed escalation and deescalated properly by pushing them away and fleeing. When they re-escalated, I responded. I didn't silently murder them for something previously in a round, I genuinely had an attempt at settling this properly.

If you're still not convinced, I'll leave it to headmins to decide, but I don't like how you're enabling people to randomly attack folks unprompted and whine to admins when they get their shit pushed in, even when given a chance to come clean and say sorry.

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby Fatal » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:51 pm #571600

You are right, I'm not convinced

I don't see anywhere where they kill baited people, they attacked a mime twice with a spear, stunned 3 people 6 times for around 1 second each (I'm unsure on the numbers)

And the fact is, they stunned you once 25 minutes prior to you killing them

It's all well and good saying what nanites CAN do, but it doesn't matter what they can do, it matters what they actually do and did, which, in this instance, were used to stun you a single time

Headmins can take over this one unless you have any more information to provide

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby NecromancerAnne » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:17 pm #571626

He threw the spear at the mime, dude. I know that got changed super recently to be less so by ryll, but that used to be really lethal. Like, 30 force at least including the embed. If you wanted to kill someone, throwing a spear into them is a pretty good way...I don't know why you think that isn't constituting an attack on their life or goading them into fighting a losing battle, but okay...

Yeah I'll wait on headmins, that stance is a real head scratcher yo.

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby NecromancerAnne » Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:25 am #572700

Hello I would like to remind the headmins this appeal still exists. Thank you.

Mouse update: It ate the poisoned bait so most likely it is dead in the rafters of my house.

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby Armhulen » Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:30 am #572701

Please don't use poisoned bait, poisoned rats and mice are dangerous to the environment since many things eat them, along with morality issues of such a painful way to kill. Stick to traps that humanely kill instead (so no glue traps as an example).
Go to bed bro, she's not thinking about you.

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby NecromancerAnne » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:19 am #573512

Twenty days in. Also, mouse update: I have made a terrible mistake and have swapped to normal mouse traps. I don't have much experience with this and I didn't mean to use something so significantly harmful.

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby NecromancerAnne » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:33 am #575224

I forgot this has passed into the one month anniversary. I would like to say that all mice appear to be gone. Likely only one mouse but either way.

Now we battle a new threat. Plumbing.

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby NecromancerAnne » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:58 am #576954

It's been near two months now. I would like to inform everyone that we now have a cat.

Mice beware.

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby Armhulen » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:08 am #576957

Fair warning, they'll bring them right to you and it's never fun
Go to bed bro, she's not thinking about you.

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Re: [FatalX1] Misleading Note, and also just generally factually incorrect

Postby Coconutwarrior97 » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:34 pm #576993

Apologies for the long delay,

Someone stunning multiple people with nanites, seeing them throw a spear at someone, and also shove you repeatedly are definitely grounds to suspect they are up to nefarious things. SS13 is a game largely grounded in paranoia, and nanites are capable of a lot more than just stunning folks.
So there is definite grounds, with the information at hand, to believe the scientist was about to do something very bad. Especially considering they just ran away when Anne confronted them about the situation, towards the very machine they had previously used to stun people.
We believe with the information available to Anne at the time they acted logically. We do not agree with this note and have decided to overturn it.

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Coconutwarrior97: Overturn.
Domitius: Overturn.
Naloac: Overturn.


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