BYOND account: doom2hellonearth
Character name: Pico Mint
Ban type: Server
Ban length: 40320 minutes
Ban reason: Got shoved by the mime 5 times in 3 seconds. Spent the next 3 minutes claiming the mime talked when the mime did not and tried to form a lynch squad to try and kill the mime. The mime retaliated due to this but did no damage. A minute later, claimed the mime spoke again when the mime did not. The mime attacked a couple of times again and the player eventually beat the mime to death alongside another player, eventually ending with the mime being beheaded. Claims this was valid under escalation. You have an incredibly poor history of issues. You have recently received bans for poor escalation. You have received a final Rule 0 warning. Due to your poor actions a chain of events happened where a player was lynched and beheaded for shoving you a few times. This ban is primarily under Rule 0 will be for a period of 1 month to give the server a break from the constant issues you have been creating.
Time ban was placed: 2021-02-24 01:41:26
Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 157010
Your side of the story: A mime shoved me for shoving the clown (which would make him the instigator), so I renamed the ventriloquist dummy to be the mime's name, and then spoke over the radio. Then I responded as my character, and told them to lynch the mime. I went to the mime, in which case he attacked me (again, making him the instigator), So after killing him, I left him, and someone else who was part of the lynch squad beheaded him, unbeknownst to me. Then I got bwoinked, explained the situation with 100% honesty, and got a month ban.
Why you think you should be unbanned: shitty ruling. He should've banned me beforehand for the "poor history of issues", because this kill was valid, not because the mime spoke (which I told timber in my response) but because in both instances of him attacking me (Which, I should mention he attacked first, as well as timber admitting this in the admin pms) I retaliated. TImber is obviously trying to find any excuse to ban me, and his excuse was my poor history. This instance wasn't that. I did nothing wrong. I shouldn't be responsible if someone kills excessively. I lied to the station about the mime talking because I wanted revenge for shoving, and he started to attack me, then suddenly I'm supposed to not retaliate, despite all the requirements for escalation met? Making lynch squads is not against the rules. He just wanted to ban me for irrelevant issues.
References of good conduct: 98-ish percent of my notes are all from sybil. my basil and manuel notes are neutral, and I have respected. In addition, I have no terry notes at all. I respected the previous note regarding an admin remark about not interacting with a specific player which was made by timber, even when the other player did not respect said note.
Part of this appeal was generated by Banbus.
[Timberpoes] doom2hellonearth - rule 0'd for valid kill
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doom2hellonearth
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Timberpoes
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Re: [Timbertoes] doom2hellonearth - rule 0'd for valid kill
Combined attack and game logs available at:
https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/157 ... attack.txt
https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/157 ... e=game.txt
Logs are stitched together game and attack logs, generally snipped except for entries involving your target CoIoneISanders and yourself. At the end, I included a brief conversation around your general area.
You got shoved a few times by the mime over 5-6 seconds
Nothing much of interest happens to the mime until...
You start yelling about the mime spoke and trying to rile up a lynch squad. The mime never spoke. This is bad escalation. Talking mimes are valid for death - You've cried wolf with the clear intent of getting the mime killed. This is you taking a previous situation and coming back 3 minutes later to try and get the mime killed for absolutely no *good* reason. You may have had a reason - The mime shoved you - But that is a bad reason.
Under this, I would consider the mime okay for attacking you. Talking mimes are removed of any metaprotections and become valid for anyone to kill for no reason. Based on the attack and game logs, it looks like you hunted the mime down in the Central Primary Hallway to spread your lie.
Not long after, he tries to punch you but fails. You hit him back. The skirmish ends after a couple of seconds with the mime a bit more beaten. This skirmish in isolation is okay escalation. You tried to form a lynch squad against him, he tried to hit you a couple of times and failed, you hit him twice and the skirmish ended.
However, 50 seconds later you head to medbay and again talk about how the mime spoke. Again, this is bad escalation. Whatever happened before has ended, and now you appear to be stalking to mime and trying to get him lynched. This set off the mime with another few unarmed attacks against you in Medbay. With this attempt to find the mime and claim they're speaking, I would personally consider the mime absolutely okay to kill you. This is the third time you've claimed the mime talked and the second incident where it seems like you were stalking him to spread this lie.
Nothing interesting happens for about 40 seconds.
Then the mime comes back around to start another fight. At this point the mime has shoved you a few times and punched you a few times. You have on three occasions attempted to get the mime valided for talking and have retaliated with your Chaplain weapon a couple of times. This is whatever escalation and basically self defense up until...
Around about here, where you KEEP going. The mime is crit and has done a grand total about 13 points of damage to you over the course of 5 minutes. You have tried to have the mime lynched on multiple occasions including hunting the mime down to have him lynched.
And your final justification for why you eventually, I believe, ended up with a beheaded mime?
The mime shoved you. You escalated by trying to get them lynched. Minor skirmished happened in between, including another instance of you hunting them down and trying to get lynched. The entire thing ended up with the mime being beheaded because you insisted on tailing them and trying to get them lynched.
You have 23 notes in 2021.
You have notes for IC in OOC.
Two command role bans for causing unneccesary grief as Captain and a secban for starting fights with people.
Two server bans for 5 days and 2 days and in both bans you lied in ahelps.
7 of the incidents on your account are due to poor escalation or attacking people for no reason. One of them was an incident just like this where you tried to frame another player for something they didn't do, "Caught on that a clown may have intended to spam IC radio with holopads from past rounds actions by them. Turned on a radio at the holopads, blamed them, and beat them death. Please don't jump the gun on this kind of thing."
You got warned for a shift where you uploaded laws to the AI that specified anyone who broke space law was not human and must be neutralised which resulted in a lot of deaths and got noted for it, only to do the exact same think except for space law rules 309 and higher next shift. This was one day after you got a note stating "Clarified that captains shouldn't request an AI to, or upload laws that will result in killing off nonhumans."
I have spoken to you in detail about your behaviour and documented this - "Has had a full and final "the talk" that their recent string of behaviour is rocketing them towards a Rule 0 ban. Has been told that they need to keep their head down, follow the rules and stop shitting up the servers so much and admins won't have any need to bwoink them."
The starting point for unjust killings is 24 hours. Your ban was escalated to 1 month under Rule 0 to give our game servers a break from you.
This is only a month. Be glad I left it at that. This ban wasn't just a punishment for you, it was to give every other player who plays on tg a break from you. You have already had 20+ chances to improve your behaviour. Reflect on this, play on other servers and come back in a month a better player, because the bans are only gonna get worse from here on out for you if you can't genuinely improve your behaviour and keep doing the same dumb shit over and over again.
This appeal is denied.
https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/157 ... attack.txt
https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/157 ... e=game.txt
Logs are stitched together game and attack logs, generally snipped except for entries involving your target CoIoneISanders and yourself. At the end, I included a brief conversation around your general area.
You got shoved a few times by the mime over 5-6 seconds
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Under this, I would consider the mime okay for attacking you. Talking mimes are removed of any metaprotections and become valid for anyone to kill for no reason. Based on the attack and game logs, it looks like you hunted the mime down in the Central Primary Hallway to spread your lie.
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You have 23 notes in 2021.
You have notes for IC in OOC.
Two command role bans for causing unneccesary grief as Captain and a secban for starting fights with people.
Two server bans for 5 days and 2 days and in both bans you lied in ahelps.
7 of the incidents on your account are due to poor escalation or attacking people for no reason. One of them was an incident just like this where you tried to frame another player for something they didn't do, "Caught on that a clown may have intended to spam IC radio with holopads from past rounds actions by them. Turned on a radio at the holopads, blamed them, and beat them death. Please don't jump the gun on this kind of thing."
You got warned for a shift where you uploaded laws to the AI that specified anyone who broke space law was not human and must be neutralised which resulted in a lot of deaths and got noted for it, only to do the exact same think except for space law rules 309 and higher next shift. This was one day after you got a note stating "Clarified that captains shouldn't request an AI to, or upload laws that will result in killing off nonhumans."
I have spoken to you in detail about your behaviour and documented this - "Has had a full and final "the talk" that their recent string of behaviour is rocketing them towards a Rule 0 ban. Has been told that they need to keep their head down, follow the rules and stop shitting up the servers so much and admins won't have any need to bwoink them."
The starting point for unjust killings is 24 hours. Your ban was escalated to 1 month under Rule 0 to give our game servers a break from you.
This is only a month. Be glad I left it at that. This ban wasn't just a punishment for you, it was to give every other player who plays on tg a break from you. You have already had 20+ chances to improve your behaviour. Reflect on this, play on other servers and come back in a month a better player, because the bans are only gonna get worse from here on out for you if you can't genuinely improve your behaviour and keep doing the same dumb shit over and over again.
This appeal is denied.
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doom2hellonearth
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Re: [Timbertoes] doom2hellonearth - rule 0'd for valid kill
In addition, you admitted the mime engaged in skirmishes with me multiple times. So this is proper escelation. Unless you wanted the mime to kill me according to your definition of escelation which must be completely different from the rules' section.Timberpoes wrote:You got shoved a few times by the mime over 5-6 secondsNothing much of interest happens to the mime until...Spoiler:You start yelling about the mime spoke and trying to rile up a lynch squad. The mime never spoke. This is bad escalation. Talking mimes are valid for death - You've cried wolf with the clear intent of getting the mime killed. This is you taking a previous situation and coming back 3 minutes later to try and get the mime killed for absolutely no *good* reason. You may have had a reason - The mime shoved you - But that is a bad reason.Spoiler:
Under this, I would consider the mime okay for attacking you. Talking mimes are removed of any metaprotections and become valid for anyone to kill for no reason. Based on the attack and game logs, it looks like you hunted the mime down in the Central Primary Hallway to spread your lie.Not long after, he tries to punch you but fails. You hit him back. The skirmish ends after a couple of seconds with the mime a bit more beaten. This skirmish in isolation is okay escalation. You tried to form a lynch squad against him, he tried to hit you a couple of times and failed, you hit him twice and the skirmish ended.Spoiler:However, 50 seconds later you head to medbay and again talk about how the mime spoke. Again, this is bad escalation. Whatever happened before has ended, and now you appear to be stalking to mime and trying to get him lynched. This set off the mime with another few unarmed attacks against you in Medbay. With this attempt to find the mime and claim they're speaking, I would personally consider the mime absolutely okay to kill you. This is the third time you've claimed the mime talked and the second incident where it seems like you were stalking him to spread this lie.Spoiler:Nothing interesting happens for about 40 seconds.Spoiler:Then the mime comes back around to start another fight. At this point the mime has shoved you a few times and punched you a few times. You have on three occasions attempted to get the mime valided for talking and have retaliated with your Chaplain weapon a couple of times. This is whatever escalation and basically self defense up until...Spoiler:Around about here, where you KEEP going. The mime is crit and has done a grand total about 13 points of damage to you over the course of 5 minutes. You have tried to have the mime lynched on multiple occasions including hunting the mime down to have him lynched.Spoiler:And your final justification for why you eventually, I believe, ended up with a beheaded mime?Spoiler:The mime shoved you. You escalated by trying to get them lynched. Minor skirmished happened in between, including another instance of you hunting them down and trying to get lynched. The entire thing ended up with the mime being beheaded because you insisted on tailing them and trying to get them lynched.Spoiler:
You have 23 notes in 2021.
You have notes for IC in OOC.
Two command role bans for causing unneccesary grief as Captain and a secban for starting fights with people.
Two server bans for 5 days and 2 days and in both bans you lied in ahelps.
7 of the incidents on your account are due to poor escalation or attacking people for no reason. One of them was an incident just like this where you tried to frame another player for something they didn't do, "Caught on that a clown may have intended to spam IC radio with holopads from past rounds actions by them. Turned on a radio at the holopads, blamed them, and beat them death. Please don't jump the gun on this kind of thing."
You got warned for a shift where you uploaded laws to the AI that specified anyone who broke space law was not human and must be neutralised which resulted in a lot of deaths and got noted for it, only to do the exact same think except for space law rules 309 and higher next shift. This was one day after you got a note stating "Clarified that captains shouldn't request an AI to, or upload laws that will result in killing off nonhumans."
I have spoken to you in detail about your behaviour and documented this - "Has had a full and final "the talk" that their recent string of behaviour is rocketing them towards a Rule 0 ban. Has been told that they need to keep their head down, follow the rules and stop shitting up the servers so much and admins won't have any need to bwoink them."
The starting point for unjust killings is 24 hours. Your ban was escalated to 1 month under Rule 0 to give our game servers a break from you.
This is only a month. Be glad I left it at that. This ban wasn't just a punishment for you, it was to give every other player who plays on tg a break from you. You have already had 20+ chances to improve your behaviour. Reflect on this, play on other servers and come back in a month a better player, because the bans are only gonna get worse from here on out for you if you can't genuinely improve your behaviour and keep doing the same dumb shit over and over again.
This appeal is denied.
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These are logs that prove that I didn't behead the mime. stop trying to make me look like the bad guy for your awful ruling. You're just as much of a liar as meAnd your final justification for why you eventually, I believe, ended up with a beheaded mime?
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Timberpoes
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Re: [Timberpoes] doom2hellonearth - rule 0'd for valid kill
You still do not understand how escalation works and when it gives you a murder pass versus when it doesn't. I am also considering your attempts to create a lynch squad against the mime by lying to the station and claiming they talked as you over-escalating.
I never said you behaded the mime. I said you ended up with a beheaded mime. What I meant by this was that through your chain of actions in claiming the mime spoke, you sparked a spiral of escalation that ended up with the mime being beheaded because of your actions in choosing to lie about the mime speaking IC.
I didn't want to bring this up, but since you're quoting to me the exact time and place the mime was beheaded, let me follow up with this quote from your opening post.
[2021-02-24 01:06:38.115] ATTACK: DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Pico Mint) has attacked CoIoneISanders/(Mr Beret) with broken bottle of nothing (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -133) (Central Primary Hallway (129,134,4))
Time and location for when the mime was beheaded: [01:06:42.76] (128,134,4)
[2021-02-24 01:06:42.763] ATTACK: *no key*/(Mr Beret) has suffered: Dismemberment Wound to head (Central Primary Hallway (128,134,4))
Time and location when you claimed the mime spoke a final time: [01:06:48.992] (130,134,4)
[2021-02-24 01:06:48.992] SAY: DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Pico Mint) "he spoke" (Central Primary Hallway (130,134,4))
Are you still claiming you did not know the mime was beheaded as you stood next to them being beheaded and then justified their beheading to the crowd by saying they talked?
I have given and justified my decision in exhaustive detail. We're done here. If you wish, you may escalate this up to the headmins.
I never said you behaded the mime. I said you ended up with a beheaded mime. What I meant by this was that through your chain of actions in claiming the mime spoke, you sparked a spiral of escalation that ended up with the mime being beheaded because of your actions in choosing to lie about the mime speaking IC.
I didn't want to bring this up, but since you're quoting to me the exact time and place the mime was beheaded, let me follow up with this quote from your opening post.
Time and location of your last attack on the mime: [01:06:38.115] (129,134,4)doom2hellonearth wrote:I left him, and someone else who was part of the lynch squad beheaded him, unbeknownst to me.
[2021-02-24 01:06:38.115] ATTACK: DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Pico Mint) has attacked CoIoneISanders/(Mr Beret) with broken bottle of nothing (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -133) (Central Primary Hallway (129,134,4))
Time and location for when the mime was beheaded: [01:06:42.76] (128,134,4)
[2021-02-24 01:06:42.763] ATTACK: *no key*/(Mr Beret) has suffered: Dismemberment Wound to head (Central Primary Hallway (128,134,4))
Time and location when you claimed the mime spoke a final time: [01:06:48.992] (130,134,4)
[2021-02-24 01:06:48.992] SAY: DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Pico Mint) "he spoke" (Central Primary Hallway (130,134,4))
Are you still claiming you did not know the mime was beheaded as you stood next to them being beheaded and then justified their beheading to the crowd by saying they talked?
I have given and justified my decision in exhaustive detail. We're done here. If you wish, you may escalate this up to the headmins.
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Re: [Timberpoes] doom2hellonearth - rule 0'd for valid kill
Timberpoes wrote:You still do not understand how escalation works and when it gives you a murder pass versus when it doesn't. I am also considering your attempts to create a lynch squad against the mime by lying to the station and claiming they talked as you over-escalating.
I never said you behaded the mime. I said you ended up with a beheaded mime. What I meant by this was that through your chain of actions in claiming the mime spoke, you sparked a spiral of escalation that ended up with the mime being beheaded because of your actions in choosing to lie about the mime speaking IC.
I didn't want to bring this up, but since you're quoting to me the exact time and place the mime was beheaded, let me follow up with this quote from your opening post.Time and location of your last attack on the mime: [01:06:38.115] (129,134,4)doom2hellonearth wrote:I left him, and someone else who was part of the lynch squad beheaded him, unbeknownst to me.
[2021-02-24 01:06:38.115] ATTACK: DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Pico Mint) has attacked CoIoneISanders/(Mr Beret) with broken bottle of nothing (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -133) (Central Primary Hallway (129,134,4))
Time and location for when the mime was beheaded: [01:06:38.115] (128,134,4)
[2021-02-24 01:06:42.763] ATTACK: *no key*/(Mr Beret) has suffered: Dismemberment Wound to head (Central Primary Hallway (128,134,4))
Time and location when you claimed the mime spoke a final time: [01:06:48.992] (130,134,4)
[2021-02-24 01:06:48.992] SAY: DOOM2HellOnEarth/(Pico Mint) "he spoke" (Central Primary Hallway (130,134,4))
Are you still claiming you did not know the mime was beheaded as you stood next to them being beheaded and then justified their beheading to the crowd by saying they talked?
I have given and justified my decision in exhaustive detail. We're done here. If you wish, you may escalate this up to the headmins.
Yeah, me. leaving out the lynch mob.I said you ended up with a beheaded mime.
at the time, no because I was typing a response to respond to the CMO. this is scemantic, and again, trying to make me look like the bad guy.Are you still claiming you did not know the mime was beheaded as you stood next to them being beheaded and then justified their beheading to the crowd by saying they talked?
Maybe consider lynch squads as part of the escalation policy instead of trying to trap me into a ban (which I know that's why you did this.)I am also considering your attempts to create a lynch squad against the mime by lying to the station and claiming they talked as you over-escalating.
Hahahahahaha. whatever you say, timber.I have given and justified my decision in exhaustive detail.
gladly.If you wish, you may escalate this up to the headmins.
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Timberpoes
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Re: [Timberpoes] doom2hellonearth - rule 0'd for valid kill
Locking this thread to await headmin ruling then.
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Re: [Timberpoes] doom2hellonearth - rule 0'd for valid kill
As the logs show it is quite evident that the mime jumped to the defence(non-lethally) of the clown you admittedly shoved a couple times. The mime shoving you to protect somebody else on the station does not open them up to lethal amounts of escalation such as forming a lynch mob over false pretenses(saying the mime spoke).
Given your recent history with problems related to escalation the length of this ban is just fine and will be upheld.
Headmin Votes:
Coconutwarrior97: Deny appeal.
Domitius: Deny appeal.
Naloac: Deny appeal.
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Headmin Votes:
Coconutwarrior97: Deny appeal.
Domitius: Deny appeal.
Naloac: Deny appeal.
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