[vekter]1 day ban with false info for valid IC conflict [hugbox edition]

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[vekter]1 day ban with false info for valid IC conflict [hugbox edition]

Post by EmpressMaia » #664407

BYOND account: empressmaia
Character name: Nikola 'Chief' Eingen
Ban type: Server
Ban length: 1440 minutes
Ban reason: (MRP) As CE, escalated a fight to lethals because the Mime was making "bad food", including Arnold pizza. Making food that harms someone isn't inherently a valid reason to crit them and them succumbing doesn't remove you from culpability. In the future, let Security handle matters like this.
Time ban was placed: 2023-02-05 17:38:30
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 199562
Your side of the story: the mime was only serving fried monkey and arnold pizza. cooking food so shitty it can literally delimb you should open you up to IC conflict. also the ban uses false info. i wasnt CE, i was a normal engie. after a prolonged fight with the mime it eventually escelated to me using a jaws of life and them using the captains saber. after i crit him we were about to apply atropine to him but he succombed.
Why you think you should be unbanned: This should be a valid IC conflict. and the fact that im banned for it is the reason why people view manuel as a 'hug box' server where you arent allowed to fight people unless you have a 2 paragraph reason lest a admin breathe down your panties
References of good conduct: in all the rounds i play i RP well. ask the people that play along side me
Part of this appeal was generated by Banbus 0.14.0
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Re: [vekter]1 day ban with false info for valid IC conflict [hugbox edition]

Post by Vekter » #664408

Didn't you explicitly say in Manuelcord you weren't going to appeal this?

Anyway, let me get the logs together.
AliasTakuto wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Spoiler:
Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender

PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.

PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming

[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you
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Re: [vekter]1 day ban with false info for valid IC conflict [hugbox edition]

Post by EmpressMaia » #664409

Vekter wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:57 pm Didn't you explicitly say in Manuelcord you weren't going to appeal this?

Anyway, let me get the logs together.
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Re: [vekter]1 day ban with false info for valid IC conflict [hugbox edition]

Post by Vekter » #664414

Classy. Anyway, here's what I came up with.

It looks like the Mime was doing a gimmick in the kitchen where they were cooking some pretty nasty shit. They apparently had Arnold pizza, though I don't believe they were the ones to make it (as they said it came from cargo), and they were deep-frying monkey organs which, while gross, doesn't have a tangible negative effect unless you eat more than a few. They were also apparently doing this to SSD people, so I'm going to need to have words with them about that. It doesn't seem like you were privy to this information, so we can't really factor that in to my decision here.
[2023-02-05 17:12:03.845] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/consumable/nutriment (1.9u, 1 purity) and /datum/reagent/consumable/cooking_oil (0.1u, 1 purity)) from the lightly-fried ears to [stomach] (Diner (147,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:04.763] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/consumable/nutriment (1.9u, 1 purity) and /datum/reagent/consumable/cooking_oil (0.1u, 1 purity)) from the lightly-fried ears to [stomach] (Diner (147,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:05.667] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/consumable/nutriment (1.3u, 1 purity) and /datum/reagent/consumable/cooking_oil (0.1u, 1 purity)) from the lightly-fried ears to [stomach] (Diner (147,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:05.969] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "this kitchen sucks" (Diner (147,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:06.001] TCOMMS: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) [Common] (spans: ) "This kitchen sucks" (language: Galactic Common) (Diner (147,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:14.906] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Silence Report (Medbay Treatment Center (146,107,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:15.212] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "who cooked this?" (Diner (146,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:24.569] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "where is the mime?" (Diner (147,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:24.608] TCOMMS: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) [Common] (spans: ) "Where is the mime?" (language: Galactic Common) (Diner (147,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:39.782] TCOMMS: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) [145.5] (spans: ) "Where" (language: Galactic Common) (Medbay Central (145,119,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:42.149] TCOMMS: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) [145.5] (spans: ) "Im going to beat him" (language: Galactic Common) (Medbay Central (145,119,4))
This kind of establishes a major issue I have with how you handled this: Despite your insistence in this appeal, you did not even attempt any form of RP here. Your thought process went from "The mime is cooking bad food" immediately to "I'm going to beat him". Never did you consider any other course of action (trying to work out why the mime was doing this, getting Sec or the HoP involved, trying to get him to cook more palatable food).

What follows is about 30 lines of you two shoving each other over the matter. It eventually escalates to the mime hitting you once with the officer's sabre and you immediately escalating to beating him into crit with the jaws of life.
[2023-02-05 17:12:55.917] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) waves. (Medbay Central (147,120,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:56.758] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "why is your cooking so shit" (Medbay Central (148,120,4))
[2023-02-05 17:12:58.407] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Medbay Central (147,120,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:00.856] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) grabbed *no key*/(Mega Space Carp) passive grab (NEWHP: 0) (Medbay Lobby (146,125,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:01.214] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) passive grab (NEWHP: 93.4) (Medbay Lobby (146,125,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:02.095] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) passive grab (NEWHP: 93.4) (Starboard Primary Hallway (146,128,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:03.550] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shaken Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Starboard Primary Hallway (146,131,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:05.928] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:07.057] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:08.167] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (145,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:08.934] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (146,136,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:09.079] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:10.122] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:11.733] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:14.180] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:15.448] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:16.256] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (146,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:16.807] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,140,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:17.161] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (146,142,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:19.223] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (145,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:19.370] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (147,140,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:21.358] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (145,140,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:21.494] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (147,140,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:22.478] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (145,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:23.347] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (145,140,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:24.673] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:27.392] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved FreeHealthcareCanadian/(Polyphemus Ignita) (NEWHP: 72) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:29.022] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:30.186] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) cast the spell Invisible Wall. (Diner (146,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:33.180] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) kicks Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:33.181] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:35.203] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:37.224] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved FreeHealthcareCanadian/(Polyphemus Ignita) (NEWHP: 72) (Diner (146,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:40.212] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (147,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:43.062] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) passive grab (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:44.001] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:47.373] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) resisted grab EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (145,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:50.024] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) passive grab (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (145,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:51.034] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) passive grab (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (145,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:52.127] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) passive grab (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (145,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:52.344] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) broke grab Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (145,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:55.337] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Polyphemus Ignita (Diner (144,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:55.520] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (144,140,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:55.653] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (144,140,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:55.859] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (145,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:56.072] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (145,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:56.227] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (145,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:56.486] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (146,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:13:58.153] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:00.060] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:01.234] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:06.589] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (146,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:07.734] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (146,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:09.298] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved Oddling/(Eric Von Giest) into Polyphemus Ignita (NEWHP: 95.5) (Diner (146,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:09.424] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) kicks Oddling/(Eric Von Giest) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 95.5) (Diner (146,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:09.425] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Oddling/(Eric Von Giest) into Polyphemus Ignita (NEWHP: 95.5) (Diner (146,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:11.891] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (146,136,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:12.980] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (145,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:16.689] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) kicks EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:16.690] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:17.617] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (145,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:18.885] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (145,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:19.746] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved FreeHealthcareCanadian/(Polyphemus Ignita) into Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (NEWHP: 72) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:20.812] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) kicks FreeHealthcareCanadian/(Polyphemus Ignita) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 72) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:20.815] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved FreeHealthcareCanadian/(Polyphemus Ignita) into Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (NEWHP: 72) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:21.786] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved FreeHealthcareCanadian/(Polyphemus Ignita) (NEWHP: 72) (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:22.688] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:22.904] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved FreeHealthcareCanadian/(Polyphemus Ignita) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 72) (Diner (145,136,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:24.315] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved FreeHealthcareCanadian/(Polyphemus Ignita) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 72) (Diner (145,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:24.766] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:25.749] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 93.4) (Diner (146,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:26.003] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) kicks FreeHealthcareCanadian/(Polyphemus Ignita) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 72) (Diner (144,136,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:27.300] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved FreeHealthcareCanadian/(Polyphemus Ignita) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 72) (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:28.618] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved FreeHealthcareCanadian/(Polyphemus Ignita) (NEWHP: 72) (Diner (145,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:30.759] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (144,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:31.195] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (144,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:31.456] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the potted plant (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:31.707] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) punched Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 85.4) (Diner (145,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:32.768] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (147,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:33.225] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (148,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:33.424] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the potted plant (Diner (149,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:33.581] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (149,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:33.748] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (150,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:33.897] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (150,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:37.423] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 85.4) (Diner (151,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:39.073] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (145,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:39.246] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:39.451] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (145,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:39.655] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:40.871] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 85.4) (Diner (145,136,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:41.037] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (147,133,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:41.190] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Eric Von Giest (Diner (147,133,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:41.392] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Eric Von Giest (Diner (147,133,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:41.871] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) shoved Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 85.4) (Diner (146,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:43.243] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (145,133,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:43.394] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (145,133,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:43.598] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) passive grab (NEWHP: 85.4) (Diner (146,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:43.603] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (145,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:43.908] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (145,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:44.110] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (145,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:44.509] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) passive grab (NEWHP: 85.4) (Diner (146,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:46.663] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) passive grab (NEWHP: 85.4) (Diner (145,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:47.032] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (144,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:47.243] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (144,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:47.389] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (144,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:47.535] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 85.4) (Diner (145,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:48.453] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) tabled Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) onto the table (NEWHP: 75.4) (Diner (145,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:49.433] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) grabbed Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) passive grab (NEWHP: 75.4) (Diner (145,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:49.438] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) resisted grab EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 100) (Diner (145,135,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:49.438] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) broke grab Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) (NEWHP: 75.4) (Diner (145,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:54.188] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "this food is so bad" (Diner (146,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:54.576] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) attacked EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) with officer's sabre (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 85) (Diner (145,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:58.552] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the holopad (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:58.876] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the floor (Diner (145,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:58.930] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) attacked Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) with jaws of life (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 60.4) (Diner (146,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:59.084] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the potted plant (Diner (145,136,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:59.287] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (145,136,4))
[2023-02-05 17:14:59.914] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at the rotting gibs (Diner (145,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:00.204] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) points at Nikola 'Chief' Eingen (Diner (146,133,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:01.324] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) attacked Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) with jaws of life (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 45.4) (Diner (145,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:01.367] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) shoved EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) (NEWHP: 85) (Diner (145,134,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:02.361] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) attacked Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) with jaws of life (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 34.2) (Diner (145,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:04.274] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) attacked Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) with jaws of life (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 19.2) (Diner (146,139,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:07.648] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) attacked Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) with jaws of life (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 4.2) (Diner (149,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:07.747] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) cast the spell Invisible Wall. (Diner (151,141,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:08.549] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) attacked [��Diner omni air scrubber 5UcT1] with the jaws of life (Diner (150,141,4))
This is kind of an understandable reaction, though I'm more leaning towards the mime's side here: You came in and immediately called his cooking shit, then a fight broke out between the two of you. Despite the mime's best efforts, you wouldn't leave, so he hit you a single time with the sabre, presumably to try and get you to back off. Four seconds later, you go into beating him to crit with the jaws. This escalation is fine aside from the fact that I still don't see your engaging the fight even remotely valid given the situation.
[2023-02-05 17:15:38.600] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "why does he have a swprd" (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:40.525] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "sword even" (Diner (146,137,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:49.124] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "mime sucks" (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:51.445] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "is a shit cook" (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:55.327] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "and has a sword" (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:59.514] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) Has succumbed to death with -5.8 points of health! (Kitchen (149,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:59.516] EMOTE: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (Kitchen (149,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:15:59.523] ATTACK: Gsrhghttrhj/(Silence Report) has died (BRUTE: 111.6, BURN: 0, TOX: 0, OXY: 94.2, CLONE: 0) (Kitchen (149,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:16:02.523] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "wow" (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:16:07.898] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "good riddance" (Diner (145,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:16:21.169] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "grind em!" (Diner (146,138,4))
[2023-02-05 17:16:31.296] SAY: EmpressMaia/(Nikola 'Chief' Eingen) "grind em!" (Diner (146,138,4))
Here's the logs of where he succumbed. Again, I'm handling this as if you crit him, not as if he died as you did take him to medbay to be healed. I also have to say that, if the logs read to the actual intent of what was happening, you were insisting on having them gibbed, so unless there's more context there that I'm missing, that's also bad.

There's another interaction where he comes back and the fight starts again, but he instigated it, so that's not being factored into my decision.

Your actions here would normally lead to a warning and probably a note, but I escalated it to a ban due to your history being excessively bad over the last few months. You show what I would call consistently poor RP and quality of play in general for what we'd expect on Manuel, with a constant tendency to escalate straight to violence instead of trying to work things out in an RP sense. I'm really not sure why this is, but it doesn't seem to be improving.

I'm not going to lift this unless the headmins disagree with me. I really think you should take this as an opportunity to reconsider how you act in situations like this and improve your gameplay in general.

I attached the logs I used for this (thanks to Riggle for LogBuddy making this way easier). These are pruned a bit of other interactions between other players and a ton of instances of the mime sneezing because he was sick.
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AliasTakuto wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Spoiler:
Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender

PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.

PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming

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Re: [vekter]1 day ban with false info for valid IC conflict [hugbox edition]

Post by EmpressMaia » #664415

id like a headmin to look over this. the mime started the fight in the first place, shoving me after i called his food shit. also if you attack someone with a saber you should expect lethal force to come your way, the saber is hillariously lethal and can murder anyone easily.

additionally, i am willing to re-consider how i play. but i dont feel its right to tell me how to play when you havent played in 3 weeks.

so alright, ill talk more. but dont you think its kinda dumb to ban me over a mime who succombed when we were about to give him atropine?
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Re: [vekter]1 day ban with false info for valid IC conflict [hugbox edition]

Post by Vekter » #664416

EmpressMaia wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:42 pm id like a headmin to look over this. the mime started the fight in the first place, shoving me after i called his food shit.
Technically, it could be said that you started the fight by openly and verbally threatening them over comms.
AliasTakuto wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Spoiler:
Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender

PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.

PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming

[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you
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Re: [vekter]1 day ban with false info for valid IC conflict [hugbox edition]

Post by EmpressMaia » #664417

Vekter wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:47 pm
EmpressMaia wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:42 pm id like a headmin to look over this. the mime started the fight in the first place, shoving me after i called his food shit.
Technically, it could be said that you started the fight by openly and verbally threatening them over comms.
technically the mime forfeited their right to ahelp when they succombed at -4 brute damage. i want a headmin review
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Re: [vekter]1 day ban with false info for valid IC conflict [hugbox edition]

Post by Vekter » #664420

I did some more looking through these logs and talked it over with some other admins. The conclusion I came to was that, in this specific situation, the escalation seems more acceptable than I thought at first glance. I was mostly taking into account that the fight you two got into was, for lack of a better, word, kind of fucking stupid, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's against the rules.

I also want to note that I still don't think the mime objectively lost their right to adminhelp when they succumbed. It just means that we would treat the situation as if he'd been crit and not take into account the fact that he died. There's nothing necessarily wrong with not wanting to sit there and wait for someone to revive you if you don't intend on continuing to play the round, but we obviously can't say "You killed him" if all you did was put him into light crit and he succumbed.

I would still encourage you to work on your playstyle on Manuel. You have a lot of notes for assorted issues and, while I think you can be an exceptional player if you put forth the effort, I haven't really seen that effort first-hand yet.

E: Ban and note lifted.
AliasTakuto wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Spoiler:
Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender

PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.

PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming

[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you
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