[Kinnebian] _nPocTo_Dark_ - permaban

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[Kinnebian] _nPocTo_Dark_ - permaban

Post by Dark1 » #687542

BYOND account: _nPocTo_Dark_
Character name: Jonas Mustachidze
Ban type: Server
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: https://media.discordapp.net/attachment ... /image.png
Time ban was placed: 2023-05-26
Round ID in which ban was placed: 206941
Your side of the story: After a series of rounds of experiments with Helgrasp and Palladium synthate catalyst on a chemist, a broadcast from one of the ones indicated in the reason for the ban turned on. Previous broadcasts from these guys did not affect TG Terry, therefore, I left their conversations in the background while I continued to experiment in the round.
Why you think you should be unbanned: There was a cult in the round, but my character did not contact them, did not use the information received from metacommunication about their location, members and equipment. Didn't deconvert cult members or try to kill them. Similar behavior applies to other antagonists and civilians in the round. Instead, my character kept experimenting with the above reagents on the chemist, basically tweaking the recipe and ending up sitting on 1 tile for +-10 minutes without a syringe gun, often afk. I can also say that I did not stream myself and did not transmit information to other viewers of the stream in voice or text format, but there is no video or photo evidence, we can only judge by the behavior of stream viewers in the game
Anything else we should know: Previously, I did not receive bans on TG or near-TG projects, and the received bans did not affect the items about metacommunications and IC in OOC. When I get unbanned, I will turn off the game client when entering streams on tg terry
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Re: [Kinnebian] _nPocTo_Dark_ - permaban

Post by Striders13 » #687545

As the second admin involved in investigating this, I'd like leave a comment. Events stated happened in round 206938. Ban was applied next round.
You may have not transmitted information yourself, but you were still sitting in the VC, knowing they're talking about ongoing round, content with receiving all the info THEY were sharing, which is enough to get you in trouble.
Additionally, I would like you to explain the following interaction between you and another person sitting in the same VC:
Game and Attack logs filtered by ckeys: _nPocTo_Dark_ and MrFox2501

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[2023-05-26 14:34:32.872] GAME-SAY: MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) "open." (Medbay Central (139,122,4))
[2023-05-26 14:34:52.808] GAME-SAY: MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) "oof." (Pharmacy (137,123,4))
[2023-05-26 14:34:57.814] ATTACK: MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) has thrown the high-capacity power cell  (Pharmacy (137,124,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:00.596] ATTACK: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) grabbed Bakeun[DC]/(Drew Pycroft) passive grab (NEWHP: 80.3)  (Pharmacy (139,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:12.689] ATTACK: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) shoved MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) (NEWHP: 95)  (Pharmacy (139,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:13.720] ATTACK: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) shoved MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 95)  (Pharmacy (140,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:14.620] ATTACK: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) kicks MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 95)  (Pharmacy (140,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:14.622] ATTACK: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) shoved MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 95)  (Pharmacy (140,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:18.923] GAME-SAY: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) "THANKS" (Pharmacy (140,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:19.827] GAME-SAY: MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) "hety." (Pharmacy (141,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:20.799] GAME-EMOTE: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) points at the chem dispenser (Pharmacy (140,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:21.097] GAME-EMOTE: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) points at the chem dispenser (Pharmacy (140,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:21.299] GAME-EMOTE: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) points at the chem dispenser (Pharmacy (140,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:21.449] GAME-EMOTE: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) points at the chem dispenser (Pharmacy (140,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:22.153] ATTACK: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) shoved MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 94)  (Pharmacy (140,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:23.422] ATTACK: MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) has thrown the high-capacity power cell  (Pharmacy (141,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:23.475] ATTACK: MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) threw and hit _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) with the high-capacity power cell (NEWHP: 73)  (Pharmacy (141,125,4))
[2023-05-26 14:35:37.486] ATTACK: _nPocTo_Dark_/(Jonas Mustachidze) shoved MrFox2501/(Dmitry Willo) (NEWHP: 92)  (Pharmacy (139,125,4))
It seems to me like they decided to bring you a powercell for your chem dispenser? I didn't find any IC logs of you requesting a powercell earlier, though I may be misjudging the situation. Feel free to provide your own explanation.
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Re: [Kinnebian] _nPocTo_Dark_ - permaban

Post by Dark1 » #687546

It seems to me like they decided to bring you a powercell for your chem dispenser? I didn't find any IC logs of you requesting a powercell earlier, though I may be misjudging the situation. Feel free to provide your own explanation.
A man came to a chemical laboratory and replaced parts in all dispensers and heaters with more advanced ones. Standard procedure for a scientist or engineer, I think. However, at the same time, he replaced the battery with a more capacious, but DISCHARGED one. I showed him this mistake and pushed him a couple of times, expressing dissatisfaction.

I opened the door to chemistry for almost everyone, because if I didn’t open it, someone would come and just break the window to the laboratory (as happened in the end).
You may have not transmitted information yourself, but you were still sitting in the VC, knowing they're talking about ongoing round, content with receiving all the info THEY were sharing, which is enough to get you in trouble.
Rule 2 requires the subject to USE information obtained from other sources in order to apply it, however, I can find IC justification for any of my actions
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Re: [Kinnebian] _nPocTo_Dark_ - permaban

Post by Striders13 » #687549

Thank you for the response, decision's with the banning admin.
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Re: [Kinnebian] _nPocTo_Dark_ - permaban

Post by conrad » #687560

Dark1 wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 5:55 am Rule 2 requires the subject to USE information obtained from other sources in order to apply it, however, I can find IC justification for any of my actions
That's not correct. Precedent 1 of Rule 2 reads as follows:
Metacomms, the use of methods of communication outside of SS13 IC channels, is a very serious rule violation and may be met with permanent bans for all related accounts. If players are sharing the same IP or know each other in real life or the like, inform the admins first, otherwise it may look suspicious. Players are allowed to introduce new players that they know to the game but all communication and explanations should be done in game if possible. Admins can also help in these situations if requested.
Sitting on a VC listening is using methods of communication outside of the game.
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Re: [Kinnebian] _nPocTo_Dark_ - permaban

Post by Dark1 » #687561

That's not correct.
I agree with you, but I can still prove that any action in the round did not gravely harm others or was OOC motivated
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Re: [Kinnebian] _nPocTo_Dark_ - permaban

Post by kinnebian » #687563

Hey, so after some deliberation I've decided to deny this appeal.

You knowingly stayed in that call for a full round or so, and as Striders stated:
You may have not transmitted information yourself, but you were still sitting in the VC, knowing they're talking about ongoing round, content with receiving all the info THEY were sharing.
This is especially prevelent when others in the call were antags, and actively sharing information.
To quote rule 2 precedent 1 directly:
Metacomms, the use of methods of communication outside of SS13 IC channels, is a very serious rule violation and may be met with permanent bans for all related accounts.
I don't think there is much else to say on the matter.
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Re: [Kinnebian] _nPocTo_Dark_ - permaban

Post by Timberpoes » #688442

Myself and Kieth were following along as this investigation into metacomms was being carried out and the bans placed.

Metacomms has a starting point of a permaban. It's often difficult to detect, very difficult to prove/evidence without a chunk of effort and investigation and is a type of cheating that cuts right down to the core and integrity of what makes SS13 so awesome - that the only things you're meant to know about the shift are little snippets of information gathered while playing in the shift.

If it was metacomms with some positive purpose (voice comms to teach a new player or friend to play the game is the usual example) sometimes it can be permitted or at least handled with kid gloves instead of a sledgehammer.

But that's not the case here. I don't see any need for the headmin team to weigh in on this all things considered.
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