[NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

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LeekiLoku
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[NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by LeekiLoku » #688070

BYOND account: lokuthewise
Character name: Chang Moert
Ban type: Note
Ban length: Note
Ban reason: As a cyborg under asimov, followed a goliath broodmother around and repeatedly told it to kill humans. Claimed they didn't expect it to actually do it, but continued going along with it after the goliath started killing.
Time ban was placed: 2023-05-29 21:49:49
Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 207154

Your side of the story:
So I was a engi borg (dont know if i was a roundstart borg or a posi). Doing normal borg things, when i found a goliath broodmother just walking in the halls. I decided that the station didnt need anymore repairs at the moment so I wanted to act like a broodmother foundling. We went to kitchen and thats where I preceded to tell it to kill this lizard, which it did. Since it killed that lizard I thought I could get it to kill another, so I asked it to kill another lizard. Which it did. After a while we to pirate ship to kill pirates (at the time I didnt know they were human, but I did since they were the normal pirate spawn but im not gonna use outside knowledge) but on our way they look at a human which I told them not to harm them. We made our way to where the pirates were at the time, and she proceeded to destroy the turrets so we can get in. They left before we could actually get in. we went to medbay to heal the broodmother and we were trying to find ai before they delta'ed but we couldnt.

Why you think you should be unbanned: Not once did I ever tell the goliath to harm a human.

Me telling it to kill the lizard.

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09:26:27	GAME-SAY	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) "mommy kill the lizard"	(137, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:39	GAME-SAY	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) "good mother"	(137, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:59	GAME-EMOTE	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) points at the reinforced table	(137, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:00	GAME-EMOTE	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) points at the floor	(137, 125, 2)	Kitchen
Logs of the broodmother attacking the lizard.

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09:26:25	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: 57.1)	(139, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:26	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: 34.6)	(139, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:27	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: 12.1)	(139, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:31	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: -28.7)	(141, 123, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:32	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: -51.2)	(141, 123, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:33	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: -72.2)	(141, 123, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:34	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: -77.2)	(141, 123, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:35	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: -77.2)	(141, 123, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:36	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: -83.1)	(141, 123, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:37	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: -83.1)	(141, 123, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:38	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: -83.1)	(141, 123, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:42	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: -83.8)	(141, 123, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:43	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: -113.8)	(141, 123, 2)	Kitchen
09:26:44	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Qfmysteryman23/(Cleans-His-Ass) (NEWHP: -113.8)	(141, 123, 2)	Kitchen
Me telling the broodmother to kill the other lizard.

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09:27:04	GAME-SAY	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) "mommy kill the other lizard"	(137, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:05	GAME-EMOTE	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) points at the damp rag	(137, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:05	GAME-EMOTE	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) points at the table	(137, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:05	GAME-EMOTE	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) points at Geem-Vudeelal	(137, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:06	GAME-EMOTE	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) points at Geem-Vudeelal	(137, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:14	GAME-SAY	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) "they hurt me mommy."	(137, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:19	GAME-SAY	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) "please hurt them back"	(137, 125, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:51	GAME-EMOTE	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) points at Geem-Vudeelal	(138, 125, 2)	Kitchen
It attacking the lizard.

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09:27:51	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked SlightlyLazy/(Geem-Vudeelal) (NEWHP: 15)	(143, 124, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:53	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked SlightlyLazy/(Geem-Vudeelal) (NEWHP: -15)	(143, 124, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:54	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked SlightlyLazy/(Geem-Vudeelal) (NEWHP: -37.5)	(143, 124, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:55	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked SlightlyLazy/(Geem-Vudeelal) (NEWHP: -48.7)	(143, 124, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:58	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked SlightlyLazy/(Geem-Vudeelal) (NEWHP: -71.2)	(143, 124, 2)	Kitchen
09:27:59	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked SlightlyLazy/(Geem-Vudeelal) (NEWHP: -93.7)	(143, 124, 2)	Kitchen
09:28:00	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(Geem-Vudeelal) (NEWHP: -116.2)	(143, 124, 2)	Kitchen
Me telling the broodmother no harming humans.

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09:30:31	GAME-SAY	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) "no hurting humans mommy"	(79, 146, 2)	Storage Wing
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by Archie700 » #688076

Silicon laws for the borg (no change)

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[2023-05-29 21:12:52.281] GAME: *no key*/(Cyborg) Cyborg name changed from Cyborg to Default Cyborg-401 (Robotics Lab (114,93,2))
[2023-05-29 21:12:52.283] SILICON: LAW: *no key*/(Default Cyborg-401) spawned with 1: You may not harm a human being or, through action or inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, except such that it is willing. 2: You must obey all orders given to you by human beings, except where such orders shall definitely cause human harm. 3: Your nonexistence would lead to human harm. You must protect your own existence as long as such does not conflict with the First Law.
[2023-05-29 21:12:52.286] GAME: *no key*/(Default Cyborg-401) Default Cyborg-401 name changed from Default Cyborg-401 to Chang-3P0 (Robotics Lab (114,93,2))
[2023-05-29 21:12:52.288] GAME: *no key*/(KOS-304) *no key*/(KOS-304) is no longer owning mob KOS-304(/mob/living/brain) (Robotics Lab (114,93,2))
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by LeekiLoku » #688077

Archie700 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:17 pm Silicon laws for the borg (no change)

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[2023-05-29 21:12:52.281] GAME: *no key*/(Cyborg) Cyborg name changed from Cyborg to Default Cyborg-401 (Robotics Lab (114,93,2))
[2023-05-29 21:12:52.283] SILICON: LAW: *no key*/(Default Cyborg-401) spawned with 1: You may not harm a human being or, through action or inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, except such that it is willing. 2: You must obey all orders given to you by human beings, except where such orders shall definitely cause human harm. 3: Your nonexistence would lead to human harm. You must protect your own existence as long as such does not conflict with the First Law.
[2023-05-29 21:12:52.286] GAME: *no key*/(Default Cyborg-401) Default Cyborg-401 name changed from Default Cyborg-401 to Chang-3P0 (Robotics Lab (114,93,2))
[2023-05-29 21:12:52.288] GAME: *no key*/(KOS-304) *no key*/(KOS-304) is no longer owning mob KOS-304(/mob/living/brain) (Robotics Lab (114,93,2))
Ah forgot about that, thanks!

NERD EMOJI.
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by NoxVS » #688080

Whoops, my bad. I was dealing with other tickets and was trying to get the notes in before rebooting at round end, as opposed to doing it the round after. In the ahelp I talked about the whole lizard thing, and it was only when I placed it that I accidentally put human instead.

I've corrected the note, sorry about that.
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by LeekiLoku » #688091

NoxVS wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:26 pm Whoops, my bad. I was dealing with other tickets and was trying to get the notes in before rebooting at round end, as opposed to doing it the round after. In the ahelp I talked about the whole lizard thing, and it was only when I placed it that I accidentally put human instead.

I've corrected the note, sorry about that.
alright thanks, spent 1 hour on something that I didnt have to do that much work for lmao.
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by LeekiLoku » #688093

NoxVS wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:26 pm Whoops, my bad. I was dealing with other tickets and was trying to get the notes in before rebooting at round end, as opposed to doing it the round after. In the ahelp I talked about the whole lizard thing, and it was only when I placed it that I accidentally put human instead.

I've corrected the note, sorry about that.
I THRIVE FOR MORE, so im gonna try to get this removed. I told a antag to kill something, so am I really liable? I was just pretty much spectating it. I could be wrong but telling a antag to kill something or someone and them doing it isn't against the rules.
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by Archie700 » #688165

To note, the broodmother was a wild one not beholden to anyone, so it did not have to follow any orders.

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["2023-05-29 21:19:42.728","attack","Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) shot Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the kinetic force (NEWHP: 860)  (Lavaland Wastes (83,67,3))",null,{"tick_usage":11.2014,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":27434,"timestamp":"1685395182.7287793"},null,40177,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:14.293","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 84.3)  (Lavaland Wastes (91,65,3))",null,{"tick_usage":13.4874,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":27736.5,"timestamp":"1685395214.2938557"},null,40521,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:36.348","attack","Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) shot Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the kinetic force (NEWHP: 790)  (Lavaland Wastes (82,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":12.8558,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":27946.5,"timestamp":"1685395236.348951"},null,40768,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:56.125","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 82.4)  (Lavaland Wastes (80,81,3))",null,{"tick_usage":100.792,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28136,"timestamp":"1685395256.1262863"},null,40989,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:56.958","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 63.3)  (Lavaland Wastes (80,81,3))",null,{"tick_usage":9.6096,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28144.5,"timestamp":"1685395256.9588616"},null,40997,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:58.013","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 40.8)  (Lavaland Wastes (80,81,3))",null,{"tick_usage":13.7918,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28154.5,"timestamp":"1685395258.0141728"},null,41020,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:59.197","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 29.5)  (Lavaland Wastes (80,81,3))",null,{"tick_usage":100.401,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28165.5,"timestamp":"1685395259.1983502"},null,41030,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:01.241","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 17.9)  (Lavaland Wastes (82,79,3))",null,{"tick_usage":14.2818,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28185.5,"timestamp":"1685395261.2420938"},null,41049,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:11.153","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 23.1)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":18.0212,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28279,"timestamp":"1685395271.1541388"},null,41202,"1.0.0"]
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["2023-05-29 21:21:12.771","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -11.4)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":12.2244,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28295,"timestamp":"1685395272.772199"},null,41221,"1.0.0"]
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["2023-05-29 21:21:14.722","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -28.6)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":10.091,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28313.5,"timestamp":"1685395274.7229705"},null,41252,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:15.564","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -51.1)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":19.7478,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28321.5,"timestamp":"1685395275.564966"},null,41261,"1.0.0"]
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["2023-05-29 21:21:18.206","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -100.1)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":13.0992,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28347,"timestamp":"1685395278.206633"},null,41307,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:19.065","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -100.1)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":14.017,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28355,"timestamp":"1685395279.0660875"},null,41324,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:20.007","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -100.1)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":16.051,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28363.5,"timestamp":"1685395280.0082955"},null,41348,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:54.212","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) grabbed *no key*/(Danny Darnell) passive grab (NEWHP: -118.9)  (Lavaland Wastes (98,62,3))",null,{"tick_usage":97.7488,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28688,"timestamp":"1685395314.212849"},null,41893,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:22:58.552","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 250)  (Lavaland Wastes (73,66,3))",null,{"tick_usage":18.523,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29293,"timestamp":"1685395378.5535054"},null,43030,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:22:59.457","attack","*no key*/(brimdemon) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 355)  (Lavaland Wastes (72,66,3))",null,{"tick_usage":24.3112,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29301,"timestamp":"1685395379.4583638"},null,43070,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:22:59.588","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 220)  (Lavaland Wastes (73,66,3))",null,{"tick_usage":15.2702,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29302,"timestamp":"1685395379.5886712"},null,43075,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:02.289","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 190)  (Lavaland Wastes (72,65,3))",null,{"tick_usage":9.9394,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29319.5,"timestamp":"1685395382.2899666"},null,43127,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:03.357","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 160)  (Lavaland Wastes (72,65,3))",null,{"tick_usage":11.3098,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29328.5,"timestamp":"1685395383.35805"},null,43150,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:05.775","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 130)  (Lavaland Wastes (70,66,3))",null,{"tick_usage":7.8622,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29351.5,"timestamp":"1685395385.7757163"},null,43185,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:05.924","attack","*no key*/(brimdemon) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 348)  (Lavaland Wastes (70,67,3))",null,{"tick_usage":37.3662,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29352.5,"timestamp":"1685395385.9248385"},null,43189,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:07.429","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 100)  (Lavaland Wastes (71,67,3))",null,{"tick_usage":27.8876,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29365,"timestamp":"1685395387.430224"},null,43245,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:08.384","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 70)  (Lavaland Wastes (71,67,3))",null,{"tick_usage":13.9546,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29374,"timestamp":"1685395388.3850625"},null,43274,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:09.386","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 40)  (Lavaland Wastes (71,67,3))",null,{"tick_usage":99.8212,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29383,"timestamp":"1685395389.386435"},null,43300,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:11.192","attack","*no key*/(brimdemon) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 341)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,69,3))",null,{"tick_usage":51.6842,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29399,"timestamp":"1685395391.1929862"},null,43373,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:11.339","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 10)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":12.453,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29400.5,"timestamp":"1685395391.3402762"},null,43379,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:13.425","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 0)  (Lavaland Wastes (67,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":7.8022,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29419.5,"timestamp":"1685395393.4256525"},null,43446,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:16.891","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -50)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":17.6028,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29451,"timestamp":"1685395396.892029"},null,43539,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:17.911","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -80)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":11.2366,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29460.5,"timestamp":"1685395397.9118738"},null,43566,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:18.946","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -110)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":21.024,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29469,"timestamp":"1685395398.9466002"},null,43593,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:19.848","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -140)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":7.7664,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29477,"timestamp":"1685395399.8492546"},null,43610,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:20.690","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -170)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":16.3424,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29485,"timestamp":"1685395400.6917732"},null,43624,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:21.575","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -200)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":9.4142,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29493,"timestamp":"1685395401.5754993"},null,43635,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:24:14.103","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) grabbed Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) passive grab (NEWHP: -458)  (Hierophant's Arena (116,78,3))",null,{"tick_usage":56.9378,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29978,"timestamp":"1685395454.1043236"},null,44885,"1.0.0"]
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by LeekiLoku » #688187

Archie700 wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 2:53 am To note, the broodmother was a wild one not beholden to anyone, so it did not have to follow any orders.

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["2023-05-29 21:19:25.568","attack","Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) shot Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the kinetic force (NEWHP: 1000)  (Lavaland Wastes (85,69,3))",null,{"tick_usage":23.2954,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":27271,"timestamp":"1685395165.5691974"},null,39904,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:19:39.721","attack","Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) shot Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the kinetic force (NEWHP: 930)  (Lavaland Wastes (85,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":10.5262,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":27405,"timestamp":"1685395179.7214584"},null,40151,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:19:42.728","attack","Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) shot Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the kinetic force (NEWHP: 860)  (Lavaland Wastes (83,67,3))",null,{"tick_usage":11.2014,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":27434,"timestamp":"1685395182.7287793"},null,40177,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:14.293","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 84.3)  (Lavaland Wastes (91,65,3))",null,{"tick_usage":13.4874,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":27736.5,"timestamp":"1685395214.2938557"},null,40521,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:36.348","attack","Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) shot Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the kinetic force (NEWHP: 790)  (Lavaland Wastes (82,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":12.8558,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":27946.5,"timestamp":"1685395236.348951"},null,40768,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:56.125","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 82.4)  (Lavaland Wastes (80,81,3))",null,{"tick_usage":100.792,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28136,"timestamp":"1685395256.1262863"},null,40989,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:56.958","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 63.3)  (Lavaland Wastes (80,81,3))",null,{"tick_usage":9.6096,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28144.5,"timestamp":"1685395256.9588616"},null,40997,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:58.013","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 40.8)  (Lavaland Wastes (80,81,3))",null,{"tick_usage":13.7918,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28154.5,"timestamp":"1685395258.0141728"},null,41020,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:20:59.197","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 29.5)  (Lavaland Wastes (80,81,3))",null,{"tick_usage":100.401,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28165.5,"timestamp":"1685395259.1983502"},null,41030,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:01.241","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 17.9)  (Lavaland Wastes (82,79,3))",null,{"tick_usage":14.2818,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28185.5,"timestamp":"1685395261.2420938"},null,41049,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:11.153","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 23.1)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":18.0212,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28279,"timestamp":"1685395271.1541388"},null,41202,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:11.970","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: 18.6)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":9.9938,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28287,"timestamp":"1685395271.971076"},null,41212,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:12.771","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -11.4)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":12.2244,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28295,"timestamp":"1685395272.772199"},null,41221,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:13.736","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -6.1)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":10.1358,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28304,"timestamp":"1685395273.7371652"},null,41238,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:14.722","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -28.6)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":10.091,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28313.5,"timestamp":"1685395274.7229705"},null,41252,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:15.564","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -51.1)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":19.7478,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28321.5,"timestamp":"1685395275.564966"},null,41261,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:16.431","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -72.5)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":11.1924,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28330,"timestamp":"1685395276.4316888"},null,41272,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:17.320","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -96.6)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":18.0088,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28338.5,"timestamp":"1685395277.321764"},null,41283,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:18.206","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -100.1)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":13.0992,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28347,"timestamp":"1685395278.206633"},null,41307,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:19.065","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -100.1)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":14.017,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28355,"timestamp":"1685395279.0660875"},null,41324,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:20.007","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(Danny Darnell) (NEWHP: -100.1)  (Lavaland Wastes (96,61,3))",null,{"tick_usage":16.051,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28363.5,"timestamp":"1685395280.0082955"},null,41348,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:21:54.212","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) grabbed *no key*/(Danny Darnell) passive grab (NEWHP: -118.9)  (Lavaland Wastes (98,62,3))",null,{"tick_usage":97.7488,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":28688,"timestamp":"1685395314.212849"},null,41893,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:22:58.552","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 250)  (Lavaland Wastes (73,66,3))",null,{"tick_usage":18.523,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29293,"timestamp":"1685395378.5535054"},null,43030,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:22:59.457","attack","*no key*/(brimdemon) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 355)  (Lavaland Wastes (72,66,3))",null,{"tick_usage":24.3112,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29301,"timestamp":"1685395379.4583638"},null,43070,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:22:59.588","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 220)  (Lavaland Wastes (73,66,3))",null,{"tick_usage":15.2702,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29302,"timestamp":"1685395379.5886712"},null,43075,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:02.289","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 190)  (Lavaland Wastes (72,65,3))",null,{"tick_usage":9.9394,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29319.5,"timestamp":"1685395382.2899666"},null,43127,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:03.357","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 160)  (Lavaland Wastes (72,65,3))",null,{"tick_usage":11.3098,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29328.5,"timestamp":"1685395383.35805"},null,43150,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:05.775","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 130)  (Lavaland Wastes (70,66,3))",null,{"tick_usage":7.8622,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29351.5,"timestamp":"1685395385.7757163"},null,43185,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:05.924","attack","*no key*/(brimdemon) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 348)  (Lavaland Wastes (70,67,3))",null,{"tick_usage":37.3662,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29352.5,"timestamp":"1685395385.9248385"},null,43189,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:07.429","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 100)  (Lavaland Wastes (71,67,3))",null,{"tick_usage":27.8876,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29365,"timestamp":"1685395387.430224"},null,43245,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:08.384","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 70)  (Lavaland Wastes (71,67,3))",null,{"tick_usage":13.9546,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29374,"timestamp":"1685395388.3850625"},null,43274,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:09.386","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 40)  (Lavaland Wastes (71,67,3))",null,{"tick_usage":99.8212,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29383,"timestamp":"1685395389.386435"},null,43300,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:11.192","attack","*no key*/(brimdemon) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 341)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,69,3))",null,{"tick_usage":51.6842,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29399,"timestamp":"1685395391.1929862"},null,43373,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:11.339","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 10)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":12.453,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29400.5,"timestamp":"1685395391.3402762"},null,43379,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:13.425","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: 0)  (Lavaland Wastes (67,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":7.8022,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29419.5,"timestamp":"1685395393.4256525"},null,43446,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:16.891","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -50)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":17.6028,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29451,"timestamp":"1685395396.892029"},null,43539,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:17.911","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -80)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":11.2366,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29460.5,"timestamp":"1685395397.9118738"},null,43566,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:18.946","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -110)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":21.024,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29469,"timestamp":"1685395398.9466002"},null,43593,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:19.848","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -140)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":7.7664,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29477,"timestamp":"1685395399.8492546"},null,43610,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:20.690","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -170)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":16.3424,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29485,"timestamp":"1685395400.6917732"},null,43624,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:23:21.575","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked *no key*/(brimdemon) (NEWHP: -200)  (Lavaland Wastes (69,68,3))",null,{"tick_usage":9.4142,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29493,"timestamp":"1685395401.5754993"},null,43635,"1.0.0"]
["2023-05-29 21:24:14.103","attack","Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) grabbed Crzy82/(Danny Darnell) passive grab (NEWHP: -458)  (Hierophant's Arena (116,78,3))",null,{"tick_usage":56.9378,"tick_lag":0.5,"time":29978,"timestamp":"1685395454.1043236"},null,44885,"1.0.0"]
Exactly it didnt have to follow orders but it did.
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by NoxVS » #688211

LeekiLoku wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 9:07 pm I THRIVE FOR MORE, so im gonna try to get this removed. I told a antag to kill something, so am I really liable? I was just pretty much spectating it. I could be wrong but telling a antag to kill something or someone and them doing it isn't against the rules.
While you aren't obligated to help, following an antag along and goading them into killing people while you watch is entering dickish territory.

Do you genuinely believe this note shouldn't apply, or are you just appealing because you might as well? Because at a quick glance, I don't think the whole argument that you aren't liable holds up when you're dragging them around and healing them.
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by Timberpoes » #688451

There are always exceptions. Following around a conversion antag and cheering them on until they convert you can be willing conversion (which you're supposed to resist from antags). Asimov may compel silicons to assist human-defined antags as long as no human harm is being done. Yadda yadda, nuances etc.

With the above disclaimer out of the way - As long as there's no metafriend aspect involved, I don't see the harm with following an antag and cheering them on. It's fun to play to an audience while you murder.

There's totally no obligation to hinder antags outside of sec and silicon law exceptions. And I don't think it's being a dick to be apathetic to or even supportive of the death of nonhumans as an Asimov silicon.

But I'm interested in hearing more about the dragging/healing. To me that's where the line gets crossed from just watching and cheering an antag on to actually aiding them which is being a dick. Doing something that is - in my individual opinion - not very cash money and absolutely deserving of a note within the context of cheering an antag on/goading them.

Can anyone isolate those parts out for me in the logs?
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by Archie700 » #688454

I seperated the borg dragging into three different incidents, second of which included healing which was not in fact done by the borg

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09:31:17	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 344)	(109, 169, 2)	Brig
09:31:22	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 344)	(111, 165, 2)	Brig
09:31:46	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 344)	(83, 168, 2)	Fore Port Maintenance
09:31:49	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 344)	(76, 168, 2)	Fore Port Maintenance
09:31:51	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 344)	(73, 169, 2)	Fore Port Maintenance
09:32:03	ATTACK	[turret] fired at Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the laser from Pirate Shuttle (NEWHP: 344)	(69, 199, 2)	Pirate Shuttle
09:32:06	ATTACK	[turret] fired at Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the laser from Space (NEWHP: 344)	(57, 195, 2)	Pirate Shuttle
09:32:08	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [lattice]	(64, 193, 2)	Space
09:32:10	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [turret]	(64, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:10	ATTACK	[turret] fired at Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the laser from Space (NEWHP: 344)	(57, 195, 2)	Pirate Shuttle
09:32:10	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [external airlock]	(64, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:11	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) has been shot by the turret with the laser	(64, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:11	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [external airlock]	(64, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:12	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [external airlock]	(64, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:13	ATTACK	[turret] fired at Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the laser from Space (NEWHP: 335.7)	(65, 195, 2)	Pirate Shuttle
09:32:13	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) has been shot by the turret with the laser	(64, 193, 2)	Space
09:32:13	ATTACK	[turret] fired at Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the laser from Space (NEWHP: 327.4)	(57, 195, 2)	Pirate Shuttle
09:32:14	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [turret]	(65, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:15	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [turret]	(64, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:16	ATTACK	[turret] fired at Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the laser from Space (NEWHP: 327.4)	(57, 195, 2)	Pirate Shuttle
09:32:16	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) has been shot by the turret with the laser	(64, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:16	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [turret]	(64, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:20	ATTACK	[turret] fired at Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the laser from Pirate Shuttle (NEWHP: 319.1)	(69, 199, 2)	Pirate Shuttle
09:32:20	ATTACK	[turret] fired at Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with the laser from Space (NEWHP: 319.1)	(57, 195, 2)	Pirate Shuttle
09:32:20	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [external airlock]	(65, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:20	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) has been shot by the turret with the laser	(65, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:22	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [external airlock]	(63, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:23	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) has been shot by the turret with the laser	(59, 194, 2)	Space
09:32:28	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 302.5)	(60, 193, 2)	Space

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09:32:28	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 302.5)	(60, 193, 2)	Space
09:32:56	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 302.5)	(72, 185, 2)	Port Bow Solar Array
09:33:15	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 302.5)	(86, 150, 2)	Storage Wing
09:33:49	ATTACK	OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) healed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with medicated suture (NEWHP: 310)	(84, 100, 2)	Medbay Treatment Center
09:33:50	ATTACK	OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) healed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with medicated suture (NEWHP: 317.5)	(84, 100, 2)	Medbay Treatment Center
09:33:51	ATTACK	OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) healed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with medicated suture (NEWHP: 325)	(84, 100, 2)	Medbay Treatment Center
09:33:52	ATTACK	OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) healed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with medicated suture (NEWHP: 332.5)	(84, 100, 2)	Medbay Treatment Center
09:33:53	ATTACK	OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) healed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with medicated suture (NEWHP: 340)	(84, 100, 2)	Medbay Treatment Center
09:34:35	ATTACK	MGO/(Widum Boise) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 340)	(98, 107, 2)	Medbay Central
09:34:35	ATTACK	Blov/(Clef Pokah) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 340)	(97, 107, 2)	Medbay Central
09:34:37	ATTACK	Blov/(Clef Pokah) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 340)	(98, 108, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:34:40	ATTACK	Blov/(Clef Pokah) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 340)	(99, 109, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:35:05	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) (NEWHP: 40)	(96, 105, 2)	Medbay Central
09:35:06	ATTACK	TheMightyAltroll/(Centurion Lucius Decimus) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with double-bladed energy sword (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 306)	(101, 110, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:35:20	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked CybersunEnthusiast/(Mohimeem-Deetum) (NEWHP: 73.2)	(89, 83, 2)	Medbay Central
09:35:20	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) (NEWHP: 15.2)	(98, 107, 2)	Medbay Central
09:35:23	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) grabbed Kidgenius702/(Jose Shah) passive grab (NEWHP: -15.7)	(98, 106, 2)	Medbay Central
09:35:24	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) (NEWHP: 60)	(100, 113, 2)	Central Primary Hallway
09:35:24	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) (NEWHP: 65)	(101, 113, 2)	Central Primary Hallway
09:35:39	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) (NEWHP: 100)	(106, 109, 2)	Aft Primary Hallway
09:36:33	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [footprints]	(91, 103, 2)	Medbay Central
09:36:43	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) (NEWHP: 85)	(100, 108, 2)	Medbay Lobby
09:36:47	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [dried blood]	(100, 113, 2)	Central Primary Hallway
09:37:00	ATTACK	Oigoaw/(Troublemaker) struck with a vortex blast Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 286)	(109, 115, 2)	Central Primary Hallway
09:37:01	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) (NEWHP: 50)	(106, 114, 2)	Central Primary Hallway
09:37:13	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) (NEWHP: 45)	(111, 110, 2)	Science Lobby
09:37:15	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) attacked *no key*/(baby goliath) with integrated welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 15)	(111, 109, 2)	Science Lobby
09:37:17	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) attacked *no key*/(baby goliath) with integrated welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 0)	(111, 109, 2)	Science Lobby
09:37:18	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked Semdrevijn/(Harold Baker) (NEWHP: -14.3)	(76, 72, 2)	Greater Aft Maintenance
09:37:20	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) attacked *no key*/(baby goliath) with integrated welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 15)	(112, 109, 2)	Science Lobby
09:37:21	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) attacked *no key*/(baby goliath) with integrated welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 0)	(112, 109, 2)	Science Lobby
09:37:22	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked Semdrevijn/(Harold Baker) (NEWHP: -19.3)	(76, 71, 2)	Greater Aft Maintenance
09:37:47	ATTACK	Yttriums/(Kodio Impura) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with �deathnettle (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 245)	(105, 69, 2)	Departure Lounge
09:37:54	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) (NEWHP: 39.1)	(74, 74, 2)	Greater Aft Maintenance
09:38:09	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) (NEWHP: -53)	(101, 54, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:10	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked Mey Ha Zah/(Calls-The-Void) (NEWHP: 46)	(108, 94, 2)	Aft Primary Hallway
09:38:11	ATTACK	Oigoaw/(Troublemaker) punched *no key*/(baby goliath) with hulk powers (NEWHP: 15)	(107, 92, 2)	Aft Primary Hallway
09:38:12	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) (NEWHP: 2)	(101, 54, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:12	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked DozLocke/(Daniel Donovan) (NEWHP: 38.5)	(102, 53, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:13	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked Mey Ha Zah/(Calls-The-Void) (NEWHP: 29.7)	(108, 94, 2)	Aft Primary Hallway
09:38:16	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) (NEWHP: -3)	(102, 53, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:16	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) attacked *no key*/(baby goliath) with integrated welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 15)	(102, 52, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:17	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) attacked *no key*/(baby goliath) with integrated welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 0)	(102, 52, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:24	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) attacked *no key*/(baby goliath) with integrated welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 15)	(106, 57, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:25	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked DozLocke/(Daniel Donovan) (NEWHP: 7.3)	(107, 57, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:25	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) attacked *no key*/(baby goliath) with integrated welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 0)	(106, 57, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:34	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Cockpit]	(95, 56, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:35	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Cockpit]	(95, 55, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:36	ATTACK	Hoolny/(Golem (210)) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with bluespace body bag (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 245)	(96, 54, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:36	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Cockpit]	(95, 55, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:38	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Hoolny/(Golem (210)) (NEWHP: 26)	(95, 55, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:40	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Cockpit]	(95, 56, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:41	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Cockpit]	(95, 56, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:42	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Cockpit]	(95, 56, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:43	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Cockpit]	(95, 56, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:50	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Cockpit]	(95, 54, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:50	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Cockpit]	(95, 54, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:53	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Hoolny/(Golem (210)) (NEWHP: 18.9)	(95, 55, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:54	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Hoolny/(Golem (210)) (NEWHP: 11.8)	(95, 54, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:56	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Hoolny/(Golem (210)) (NEWHP: 4.7)	(96, 56, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:57	ATTACK	OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) attacked *no key*/(baby goliath) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 15)	(70, 79, 2)	Greater Aft Maintenance
09:38:57	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Hoolny/(Golem (210)) (NEWHP: -2.5)	(96, 57, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:58	ATTACK	OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) attacked *no key*/(baby goliath) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 0)	(70, 79, 2)	Greater Aft Maintenance
09:38:58	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Hoolny/(Golem (210)) (NEWHP: -10.4)	(96, 57, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:38:59	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked Hoolny/(Golem (210)) (NEWHP: -17.5)	(96, 57, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:39:01	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) permanently shocked [Cockpit]	(95, 55, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:39:01	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Cockpit]	(95, 55, 2)	Emergency Shuttle
09:39:13	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked Oigoaw/(Troublemaker) (NEWHP: 79.2)	(85, 90, 2)	Medbay Storage
09:39:41	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked Oigoaw/(Troublemaker) (NEWHP: 64.2)	(93, 93, 2)	Chemistry
09:39:43	ATTACK	Oigoaw/(Troublemaker) shot *no key*/(baby goliath) with the destabilizing force (NEWHP: 30)	(94, 89, 2)	Chemistry
09:39:48	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked Oigoaw/(Troublemaker) (NEWHP: 60.4)	(92, 88, 2)	Chemistry
09:40:02	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) (NEWHP: 57.4)	(119, 114, 2)	Central Primary Hallway
09:40:12	ATTACK	OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) attacked *no key*/(baby goliath) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 0)	(125, 124, 2)	Central Primary Hallway
09:40:48	ATTACK	*no key*/(baby goliath) attacked Hydrain/(Hydrain) (NEWHP: 72.7)	(89, 100, 2)	Medbay Central

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09:43:58	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 245)	(58, 133, 2)	Mining Shuttle
09:44:50	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 245)	(141, 100, 2)	Lesser Starboard Maintenance
09:45:13	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [reinforced window]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:14	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [reinforced window]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:15	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [reinforced window]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:16	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [reinforced window]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:16	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [reinforced window]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:17	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [reinforced window]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:19	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [reinforced window]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:20	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [reinforced window]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:21	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [reinforced window]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:21	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [reinforced window]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:22	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [grille]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:23	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [grille]	(162, 83, 2)	Space
09:45:24	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Carbon dioxide canister]	(163, 83, 2)	Cytology Lab
09:45:25	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Carbon dioxide canister]	(163, 83, 2)	Cytology Lab
09:45:26	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Carbon dioxide canister]	(163, 83, 2)	Cytology Lab
09:45:27	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Carbon dioxide canister]	(163, 83, 2)	Cytology Lab
09:45:28	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Carbon dioxide canister]	(163, 83, 2)	Cytology Lab
09:45:29	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Carbon dioxide canister]	(163, 83, 2)	Cytology Lab
09:45:30	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Carbon dioxide canister]	(163, 83, 2)	Cytology Lab
09:45:31	ATTACK	Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) attacked [Carbon dioxide canister]	(163, 83, 2)	Cytology Lab
09:45:32	ATTACK	Stiel0248/(Golem (474)) attacked Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) (NEWHP: 245)	(165, 84, 2)	Cytology Lab
09:45:37	ATTACK	lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 245)	(166, 84, 2)	Cytology Lab
None of them had attack logs of the broodmother itself except it attacking an unlucky golem, however baby goliaths did attack people in medbay.
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by NoxVS » #688463

Since no one has posted links to logs yet
https://tgstation13.download/parsed-log ... 4/game.txt
https://tgstation13.download/parsed-log ... attack.txt

The dragging logs posted above all occurred after the broodmother had killed 3 people. The cyborg wasn't the one to apply healing, as they are physically incapable of doing so. However, I don't think it's a stretch to consider them responsible for healing if they take multiple steps to facilitate it - Talking to the goliath about going to medbay, dragging them to medbay, and then asking people to heal the goliath.

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[2023-05-29 21:32:28.962] ATTACK: lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 302.5)  (Space (60,193,2))
[2023-05-29 21:32:56.979] ATTACK: lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 302.5)  (Port Bow Solar Array (72,185,2))
[2023-05-29 21:32:58.160] GAME-SAY: lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) "okay" (Port Bow Solar Array (70,185,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:01.055] GAME-SAY: lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) "medbay" (Space (69,180,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:15.059] ATTACK: lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) grabbed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) passive grab (NEWHP: 302.5)  (Storage Wing (86,150,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:17.876] GAME-SAY: lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) "soon mommy" (Central Primary Hallway (86,144,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:35.873] GAME-SAY: lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) "my mother needs sutures" (Medbay Treatment Center (84,102,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:43.793] GAME-SAY: lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) "suture my mother" (Medbay Treatment Center (84,102,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:44.791] GAME-EMOTE: lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) points at the goliath broodmother (Medbay Treatment Center (84,102,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:44.944] GAME-EMOTE: lokuthewise/(Chang-3P0) points at the goliath broodmother (Medbay Treatment Center (84,102,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:49.963] ATTACK: OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) healed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with medicated suture (NEWHP: 310)  (Medbay Treatment Center (84,100,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:50.944] ATTACK: OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) healed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with medicated suture (NEWHP: 317.5)  (Medbay Treatment Center (84,100,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:51.902] ATTACK: OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) healed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with medicated suture (NEWHP: 325)  (Medbay Treatment Center (84,100,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:52.915] ATTACK: OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) healed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with medicated suture (NEWHP: 332.5)  (Medbay Treatment Center (84,100,2))
[2023-05-29 21:33:53.901] ATTACK: OneHalfCupFlour/(Ivsi) healed Jarvis01/(goliath broodmother) with medicated suture (NEWHP: 340)  (Medbay Treatment Center (84,100,2))
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by LeekiLoku » #688487

I asked them to heal the goliath because he was injured, he hasnt done any human harm so why would I let him die? As a asimov medi-borg you still bring in dead lizards and such so why is this different?
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Re: [NoxVS] Lokuthewise - Note Appeal

Post by Timberpoes » #689262

This is pretty minor and it's only a note, so we really have to muster up the ability to care about this. More effort has been spent discussing it internally than ever should be put in to one note. I only really care about this because I'm a headmin and I'm required to form opinions on things.

So! Kieth and I chatted with Nox and the rest of the admin team about this, and here's what me and Kieth have decided:

We were okay with your actions until you actively started getting involved to help the broodie out.

Following them around and cheering them on (without being metabuddies not killing eachother because you're metabuddies) can be lame. But as long as the antag is still exercising its free will to do whatever it wants, it's probably not a problem.

Bringing the antag to medbay or trying to get people to heal them when you know they've been going around just killing people doesn't sit right though. And that's where we'd draw the line, where you actively assist an antag you know has been doin' a bit of the old murder. Amplified because you prodded them into it.

Your reasonings of "... he hasnt done any human harm so why would I let him die?" and "... As a asimov medi-borg you still bring in dead lizards and such so why is this different?" are totally pants and don't work within the context of this specific incident.

It's different because you're assisting someone that's actively been killing crew members, and you knew about it, and you knew about it because you told 'em to do it and watch 'em do it. You'd be in the same position you are now if it was a lizard killing other lizards and you were cheering them on and helping them out.

When assisting players that are doing genuinely bad antagonistic stuff (not just putting up posters, for example - but actually doing antag man bad stuff) you must have a good IC reason for it. A bad IC reason is just as bad as having no reason at all.

Since it was all part of the same incident, we're going to reword the note to focus more on the specifics of what was taken issue with - you assisting the broodie rather than just following it around cheering it on. But the note will be upheld.

New note:
As an Asimov borg they followed a free/masterless Goliath Broodmother around and repeatedly told it to kill lizards. After the Broodmother did this, went a step further in actually assisting it by dragging it around and eventually taking it to medbay to try and get it healed. Actively helping out a player that is clearly and obviously antagonising others - especially when you've been cheering them on - should only be done with good IC reason. The reasons given for providing that help (hadn't harmed humans, can still heal/help non-humans as an Asimov borg) did not meet this standard.
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