[Iansdoor] H3skan - Banned for miscommunication
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 10:58 pm
BYOND account: H3skan
Ban/note type (Check what applies):
(X) - Server Ban
() - Note
() - Forum Ban
() - Discord Ban
Ban/note length: 3 days
Ban/note reason: As a non-antag Atmos tech, had a failure of confirmation to build a SM shard in front brig, resulting in one security officer dusting someone in. This is second time in 24 hours that your radiation projects in up in security area. You also went on half and question the HoS ofr the ahelp on the behalf on "centcom". Players can't duscuss adminhalps ICly, it's OOC information in IC.
Time ban was placed: 2020-04-09 22:08:59 (server time)
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 226769
Why are you making this appeal?(Check what applies):
(X) - The ban/note is factually incorrect
() - The ban/note is not against the rules
() - The ban/note needs modification
() - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance
Why should this appeal be accepted?:
I think this was a headache for everyone involved, so I'll just go bit by bit over the chain of events that occured.
0. Yesterday, I made a petty revenge HFR in the dets office out of spite. Rads leaked since i miscalculated the dampening of rglass, i shut it down / sealed it and brought rad meds to the affected. Nobody was seriously harmed and the det understood it as a petty fun little thing that resulted out of a minor quarrel we had. One-off dumb petty idea, went slightly wrong, i fixed it, nobody harmed. Has nothing to do with today but since it makes radiation apparently thats the same thing as a planned out supermatter engine.
1. I spawn in shiftstart and decide to turn the little chute area near sec into an sm setup because why not. Funny sm locations are too rare, I have the skills to do it and I felt like doing it for my one round today.
2. I meet the Hos in the bar, Michael Gaelard, full riot gear. This is completely irrelevant but will get made impotrant later. Fact is I know the name and look of the Hos.
3. I get the mats to the location and ask a secoff nearby if its cool if I make it. They agree, and I finish construction without opening the crate.
4. I put in an extremely robust radiation proofing setup, two layers of rplasma plus ample space and everything plus good cooling and filtration. I've got a concerning amount of hours on atmos I know how to make an sm setup safe if its in an area like that, and it was. A tunnel of plasmaglass windows leading to railings to the 3 tile sm area, 2 scrubbers one injector 2 thermos and a grounding rod all good. For added safety, should radiation leak i brought over all the rad meds from medbay and stood on standby the entire time i was alife until a revenant emp shut me down to fix issues and get more rad meds should people go green, which nobody but one secoff did.
5. Before opening the crate, the hos waddles by. Riot armor, I check the id, Michael Gaelard, head of security. I tell him of the project, he gives me a "i dont care go for it" kind of answer. I turn it on.
6. I get a pm asking me about the sm. I say its for a checklist, half jokingly since it would be funny for me to make one in every room as much as it would be unachivable, and ensure its safety and legitimacy.
7. Things go back and forth for a bit, I say I cleared it with a secoff and the hos, Ian keeps telling me the logs say i never spoke to the hos. While writing my response he asks me "Is [name i forgot that is not Michael Gaelard] the hos?" or something like that and I tell him the actual name of head of security. That explains a bit, I think to myself, and I go reassure him i did in fact talk to him. This goes back and forth a LOT and I'm a bit fed up with it and see the hos walk by again. I pull him aside real quick and ask him if i did in fact misremember speaking to him. I'm only human and I'd readily agree to a miscommunication thing if it had happened. Which it did not, as he gives me the same "yeah i said I dont give a fuck" kind of answer, twice. I only asked that centcom wanted to know if i had talked to him about it, which I thought was a nice way to mask it up but apparently is more of a no-go than i thought it would be so I apologize for that, wont do it again I just wanted to resolve whether or not I made that error as quickly as possible so everyone could move on.
8. I get gaslit again that that did not happen, so I tell him to pm Michael directly. If that ever happened I do not know, judging by the ban message probably not.
(9. Irrelevant sidenote but the sm chamber gets purposefully breached by a reporter borg later into the round. The filtration is strong enough to keep it completely stable, only downside is that the hallway became oxygenless but still pressurized. Granted atmos is rather laggy at that point, but still.)
10. I'll leave out some more back and forth, but I get banned after a long delay near roundend.
So in summary I think there definitely was a miscommunication, but only between the two of us and maybe involving a logging error of some sort. Things like that happen, but again I checked it with security and most notably the hos, who has, with my understanding, the authority to validify such projects. The fact that a random secoff decided that throwing a guy in there was a good idea is under no way I can possibly imagine my fault, round removing someone like that is just a shitty thing to do.
Again, the OOC in IC thing is something I'll keep in mind, but I doubt that that is the reason for a 3 day ban. The HFR thing is a radiation miscalculation, which didnt happen here as nobody got rad poisoning except for one guy, who was provided with ample medical care at the site. The construction project was authorized by one officer and the head of the department.
I'd like to note that most people passing by appreciated the project, besides maybe the guy that secoff dusted but thats hardly under my control, and that all safety measures a supermatter can have were met. Only thing I couldve added to prevent intentional dustings was another wall but I like to give people the opportunity to turn themselves back into space dust if they so please, as long as it doesnt open up ways for people to shove others into it, which my setup did not allow for. The guy the secoff dusted was cuffed, naked, and dragged behind them through the maze of rplasmaglass to then be thrown in over a railing.
As for modifications I'd ideally appeal for a change to a note for the OOC-IC thing.
No matter how this ends up going I'll keep admin messages to myself and annoy the respective department head enough to hand me a written and stamped confirmation of my precise plans for any riskier project I plan on doing in the future.
Et delenda botania.
Ban/note type (Check what applies):
(X) - Server Ban
() - Note
() - Forum Ban
() - Discord Ban
Ban/note length: 3 days
Ban/note reason: As a non-antag Atmos tech, had a failure of confirmation to build a SM shard in front brig, resulting in one security officer dusting someone in. This is second time in 24 hours that your radiation projects in up in security area. You also went on half and question the HoS ofr the ahelp on the behalf on "centcom". Players can't duscuss adminhalps ICly, it's OOC information in IC.
Time ban was placed: 2020-04-09 22:08:59 (server time)
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 226769
Why are you making this appeal?(Check what applies):
(X) - The ban/note is factually incorrect
() - The ban/note is not against the rules
() - The ban/note needs modification
() - The ban was unjustifiably harsh
() - I was permabanned and I want another chance
Why should this appeal be accepted?:
I think this was a headache for everyone involved, so I'll just go bit by bit over the chain of events that occured.
0. Yesterday, I made a petty revenge HFR in the dets office out of spite. Rads leaked since i miscalculated the dampening of rglass, i shut it down / sealed it and brought rad meds to the affected. Nobody was seriously harmed and the det understood it as a petty fun little thing that resulted out of a minor quarrel we had. One-off dumb petty idea, went slightly wrong, i fixed it, nobody harmed. Has nothing to do with today but since it makes radiation apparently thats the same thing as a planned out supermatter engine.
1. I spawn in shiftstart and decide to turn the little chute area near sec into an sm setup because why not. Funny sm locations are too rare, I have the skills to do it and I felt like doing it for my one round today.
2. I meet the Hos in the bar, Michael Gaelard, full riot gear. This is completely irrelevant but will get made impotrant later. Fact is I know the name and look of the Hos.
3. I get the mats to the location and ask a secoff nearby if its cool if I make it. They agree, and I finish construction without opening the crate.
4. I put in an extremely robust radiation proofing setup, two layers of rplasma plus ample space and everything plus good cooling and filtration. I've got a concerning amount of hours on atmos I know how to make an sm setup safe if its in an area like that, and it was. A tunnel of plasmaglass windows leading to railings to the 3 tile sm area, 2 scrubbers one injector 2 thermos and a grounding rod all good. For added safety, should radiation leak i brought over all the rad meds from medbay and stood on standby the entire time i was alife until a revenant emp shut me down to fix issues and get more rad meds should people go green, which nobody but one secoff did.
5. Before opening the crate, the hos waddles by. Riot armor, I check the id, Michael Gaelard, head of security. I tell him of the project, he gives me a "i dont care go for it" kind of answer. I turn it on.
6. I get a pm asking me about the sm. I say its for a checklist, half jokingly since it would be funny for me to make one in every room as much as it would be unachivable, and ensure its safety and legitimacy.
7. Things go back and forth for a bit, I say I cleared it with a secoff and the hos, Ian keeps telling me the logs say i never spoke to the hos. While writing my response he asks me "Is [name i forgot that is not Michael Gaelard] the hos?" or something like that and I tell him the actual name of head of security. That explains a bit, I think to myself, and I go reassure him i did in fact talk to him. This goes back and forth a LOT and I'm a bit fed up with it and see the hos walk by again. I pull him aside real quick and ask him if i did in fact misremember speaking to him. I'm only human and I'd readily agree to a miscommunication thing if it had happened. Which it did not, as he gives me the same "yeah i said I dont give a fuck" kind of answer, twice. I only asked that centcom wanted to know if i had talked to him about it, which I thought was a nice way to mask it up but apparently is more of a no-go than i thought it would be so I apologize for that, wont do it again I just wanted to resolve whether or not I made that error as quickly as possible so everyone could move on.
8. I get gaslit again that that did not happen, so I tell him to pm Michael directly. If that ever happened I do not know, judging by the ban message probably not.
(9. Irrelevant sidenote but the sm chamber gets purposefully breached by a reporter borg later into the round. The filtration is strong enough to keep it completely stable, only downside is that the hallway became oxygenless but still pressurized. Granted atmos is rather laggy at that point, but still.)
10. I'll leave out some more back and forth, but I get banned after a long delay near roundend.
So in summary I think there definitely was a miscommunication, but only between the two of us and maybe involving a logging error of some sort. Things like that happen, but again I checked it with security and most notably the hos, who has, with my understanding, the authority to validify such projects. The fact that a random secoff decided that throwing a guy in there was a good idea is under no way I can possibly imagine my fault, round removing someone like that is just a shitty thing to do.
Again, the OOC in IC thing is something I'll keep in mind, but I doubt that that is the reason for a 3 day ban. The HFR thing is a radiation miscalculation, which didnt happen here as nobody got rad poisoning except for one guy, who was provided with ample medical care at the site. The construction project was authorized by one officer and the head of the department.
I'd like to note that most people passing by appreciated the project, besides maybe the guy that secoff dusted but thats hardly under my control, and that all safety measures a supermatter can have were met. Only thing I couldve added to prevent intentional dustings was another wall but I like to give people the opportunity to turn themselves back into space dust if they so please, as long as it doesnt open up ways for people to shove others into it, which my setup did not allow for. The guy the secoff dusted was cuffed, naked, and dragged behind them through the maze of rplasmaglass to then be thrown in over a railing.
As for modifications I'd ideally appeal for a change to a note for the OOC-IC thing.
No matter how this ends up going I'll keep admin messages to myself and annoy the respective department head enough to hand me a written and stamped confirmation of my precise plans for any riskier project I plan on doing in the future.
Et delenda botania.