[Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned

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[Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned

Postby absolute shitunit » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:59 pm #474985

Your Byond ckey: romanzc
Your character name: I think I use random names, so no idea.
Admin who banned you: auralien3819
Type of ban (What are you banned from?): pban
Ban duration: pban
Ban reason: https://i.imgur.com/Hve9ymU.png
Your side of the story: Skipping to the part where the bad things happen, earlier before I injected and stole his armor, I was on the hangar docks messing around, when I decided "hey, i wonder what if i punched a b18 guy, guy is not gonna take any damage at all from his armor" (no idea why i decided to do this, probaly was too bored, i dont even remember), so I went to him and punched him once in the chest. Apparently the B18 didn't like this at all and started punching me a lot. Responded back with punching him, so he pulls out a knife and starts stabbing me to death. I was saved, mostly because I horribly died infront of the medbay. Considering that this guy literally killed me over a single punch while he was on B18 armor, I decided to sedate him so that I could remove his limbs, so that he learns as a lesson to not be a shit and kill a guy over a punch that did no damage at all, but then I was PMed to not nugget him. Lied and said I was not gonna remove his limbs, and stole his armor instead and tried to offer it to the marines, but on my way to CIC on hope to find marines to give it, ended up getting mauled by xenos.


I dont remember anything else about this, so logs would be REALLY appreciated.


My reasons for lying was simply because I didn't want to get permabanned on the spot. I admit it was my fault for extreme improper escalation and lying to admins, but I still kinda feel that the B18 spec was also wrong and broke the improper escalation rule.

Why do you think you should be unbanned: Want to play again in this server, especially since it has been having lots of good updates. I promise I will try to not escalate things and not start fistfights for no reason, and use ahelps. I might probaly fail the use ahelps part, but I will try.



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jimminian95
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Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned

Postby jimminian95 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:40 am #475432

Aurelien here, reading your appeal this does take me back, and there certainly is some stuff to double check.
At the moment, I'm currently about to head to bed and lack access to the logs and notes, so I can't make an entirely clear analysis on how this measures. However I will say a big part of it was influenced by your history.
There have been several instances in the past, some fairly recent if I remember correctly that we discussed.
The problem was that it seemed there was a lack of incentive to learn or understand the root of what was wrong with these actions, but rather to try and follow the bare minimum, in this case, lying to staff and settling for other ways to try and get back at another player.
Albiet, the other player was playing extremely aggressively with improper escalation (repeatedly stabbing someone to the point of near death for punching), the guide here is to ahelp and point out the issue.
Remember, if a teammate attacks you out of the blue or you face outright grief, even if you're at death, it's better to ahelp it, as the staff can handle the rule breaking and provide heals if necessary.
The proper response is *not* to engage in the same rule breaking behaviour to get back at them, in this case, chasing them around the ship with sedatives before bring them in to attempt to delimb them, followed by looting and donning their gear. The problem wasn't just that you were wearing it too, but that you looted someone as part of an attempt to get even, it wouldn't matter if you were giving it away, it's still stolen gear, it's still griefing, essentially committing a smaller crime in place of a big one.

Reading your appeal, I'm not entirely sure if much has changed, I can understand having eager to be a part of the game as new updates roll in, though understanding the rules is another. It's not a checklist, it's a guideline, and a big part of it is hindering people from attacking other players or trying to sabotage someone's round.

Two wrongs don't make a right. It's not a matter of "Y fought X back, so X gets away completely Scott free", both are at fault, and it complicates things when the original victim becomes an offender, essentially stacking another situation to handle.
For now, I wish to remain skeptical, though I'd like to see if any other staff have a say on this one.
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Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned

Postby Urytion » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:15 am #475445

Let's see... you randomly punched a marine and are surprised when he punches back. Not your brightest moment. Your response to him escalating was to tranq him AFTER the fight, so that you can remove his limbs. Removing limbs takes them out of the round. You essentially wanted to kill them. The fact they can talk means nothing. You're also failing to mention your repeated use of the term "fucknugget" in adminhelps. You wanted him to learn a lesson to "not be a shit" by being an even bigger shitter and lying to admins. You stole specialist equipment, refused to give it back (from memory even when admins told you to), used it yourself as a civilian character. And you even say that you "might probably" fail to follow protocol if a marine escalates on you anyway.

Does that about sum up your appeal?

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Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned

Postby absolute shitunit » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:05 am #475469

1. He had B18 armor, and I punched him like once or twice on the chest. Still, really retardad decision, but it was B18 so I think it was 1 or 0.5 points of brute damage. I agree this was my fault.


2. I tranquilized him after the fight because he killed me, and I only got back on the round because I died infront of the medbay, and squad medics were nearby.


3. I mean that if I was getting shot by a marine, I would probaly tranqualize him, call a MP / synth / marine to help me, disarm, instead of letting myself getting shot to death while im ahelping, or ahelp after the attacker was neutralized / I was dead.


4. i heard "fucknugget" lots of times instead of just "nugget" so I assumed thats how people generally call people without limbs.



Though, I will try to follow the improper escalation rules, and ahelp when I get griefed. Im not used to be ahealed after being killed. Im gonna read the rules after I finish writting this.

I just want a chance to come back to the game, I could've ban evaded by now, I know how to do it, but I want to get in fairly. I also contributed for some reason.

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Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned

Postby LaKiller8 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:19 pm #475500

Hello, here are the parsed logs from that round. Everyone is free to draw their own conclusion, I'll leave it for the other admins to post excerpts from it. I'd just like to note that this is what you had to say on our Discord regarding your ban, a week ago on Sunday:

[8:03 PM] please dont ban me pls: @Aurelien3189 | Kayden Minn ias gey bcause he,beanned me


And this is what you said a day after your ban (2018-12-24):

12:24 AM] please dont ban me pls: @LaKiller8 | Thomas Echard why the admins hate it when I try to make griefers fuck nuggets instead of aHELpInG
[12:25 AM] please dont ban me pls: pretty sure bad logging systems dont have anything to do to making griefers fuck nuggets
[12:27 AM] please dont ban me pls: also admins can ban the griefers after the people making them nuggets and humilating them
[12:27 AM] Rohesie: 1) It's against the rules
2) our poor logging system makes it hard to know is your are the griffon or the vigilantes
3) you are basically moderating without being a mod, which causes a lot of issues
[12:28 AM] Rohesie: So you risk doing it against someone not deserving it, such as a new player that did the mistake unintentionally, and then you've put everyone on a bad spot. Such as the case is the noob CMP.
[12:29 AM] please dont ban me pls: 1) If it's agaisnt the rules why the griefer isn't banned or aslept yet
[12:29 AM] please dont ban me pls: 2) Isn't there a date system, like at what time the logging happened
[12:29 AM] Surrealistik: personally I would let it slide if I knew he was the offender and you finished him off with a badass one liner
[12:29 AM] please dont ban me pls: 3) Not my fault the admins take a fuckton to ban a griefer
[12:29 AM] Surrealistik: like Hasta la pizza baby
[12:30 AM] Rohesie: 1) maybe nobody reported it and it's your chance to shine
[12:30 AM] Surrealistik: gotta be proactive against these school shooters
[12:30 AM] Surrealistik: otherwise we're no better than Space America
[12:30 AM] Rohesie: 2) there is logging, but accessing it takes time and is a pain, basically
[12:30 AM] Rohesie: 3) your fault if you break the rules, then it's on you
[12:31 AM] Surrealistik: the one liner is important though
[12:31 AM] Surrealistik: obligatory
[12:31 AM] Surrealistik: even
[12:31 AM] Surrealistik: that may have been your mistake
[12:31 AM] LaKiller8 | Thomas Echard: The situation was investigated thorougly and all necessary actions were logged.


All posts are still there in case anyone wants to search and verify.

Logs with just your ckey:
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Logs from the enitre round:
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Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned

Postby Trevorious » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:41 pm #475511

PM's between RomanZC and Aurelien.

Spoiler:
[22:45:54]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): Care to explain what's been going on here? Hearing news about massive FF.
[22:46:34]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): Yumi started killing me because i called her a bitch and punched her once in her B18 armor. Used his granade launcher and knife, almost died. Making her a fuck nugget
[22:47:30]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): No, I'd hold off on the fuck nuggeting, that's pretty low RP among other things.
[22:47:55]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): Then i will just steal her B18 armor so she isn't a dick next time
[22:48:18]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): *steal her b18 armor and give it to a smartgunner
[22:54:25]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): alright, hold the phone. Can you explain to me exactly what you've been doing throughout this conflict?
[22:55:02]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): B18 angry I punched her for no damage and almost kills me, me raged anesthesic her and steal her B18 so she isn't a ass next time, extremely resumed.
[22:57:41]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): from what I'm told, you repeatedly tried to sleep/inject her with the intent to steal their armour and rip their limbs off. While they weren't in the right to respond with gunfire or stabbing, this is by no means the proper way to carry this out.
[22:57:56]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): But did I actually rip her limbs?
[22:58:15]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): You openly shared your plans to.
[22:58:27]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): And yes I think trying to get somebody out of the round over 1 point of brute damage needs his shit stolen
[22:58:31]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): And without our word I'd imagine that would have been the case
[22:58:47]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): But I rethinked what would happen and just stole her armor
[22:58:58]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): I was not going to do it anyways
[22:59:30]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): Your role as a doctor is to support the marines and treat the wounds that medics can't, not to take the law into your own hands and disable marines and steal their gear. If things like this occur, violence against crew, please ahelp it
[22:59:54]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): Hahha almost dies over 1 punch, and stealing a armor is bad.
[23:00:04]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): She can get new one at the prep
[23:00:59]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): From what I'm told, that is the only armour available to the entire crew, so stealing it for yorself is as bad as it sounds
[23:01:17]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): Im trying to find somebody that isn't yumi to give it, its in the logs
[23:01:34]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): I LITERALLY SAID IN THE COMMS IM GIVING OUT A B18 ARMOR
[23:01:54]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): IN the meantime, you've been using the armour and GL for yourself, c'mon man
[23:02:04]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): Im now finding somebody to give it
[23:02:14]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): Going to the CiC
[23:09:04]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): Alright, this is particularly a violation of Rule one and our general RP standards, which according your notes, we've seen some issues from you in the past
[23:12:32]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): Doctors are in no scenario are expected to grudge marines and go out of their way to try and take them down, except perhaps in the case of self defense, and I mean /self/ defense. The spec was in the wrong to respond with additional violence along with using grenades on the crew, but again, violence against friendlies is a big no no
[23:14:18]ADMIN: PM: Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654))->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): Stick to ahelps in scenarios where you feel threatened by friendlies outside the rules, and we can try to help. But drug delimbing retaliation as the doctor is not the way to go about it
[23:14:38]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): He still deserved it


When the first logs between Melvin Mason and Yumi Shibanuma started.

Spoiler:
[22:31:57]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has attempted to remove splints Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 99.76) (Hangar (93, 58, 3))
[22:33:06]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "What" (Medical Lower (100, 57, 3))
[22:33:27]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Your fine, go fuck yourself" (Medical Lower (99, 60, 3))
[22:33:33]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Yes your a fucking retardad" (Medical Lower (101, 59, 3))
[22:33:47]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Your a bitch" (Hangar (92, 60, 3))
[22:33:48]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hangar (92, 60, 3))
[22:33:48]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma)
[22:33:50]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hangar (92, 60, 3))
[22:33:50]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma)
[22:34:06]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "What" (Hangar (93, 58, 3))
[22:34:17]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Coward bitch" (Hangar (93, 58, 3))
[22:34:20]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Run" (Hangar (93, 62, 3))
[22:34:37]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) has attacked RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) with [M5 'Night Raider' survival knife] (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) (Hangar (93, 58, 3))
[22:34:37]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) attacked RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) with M5 'Night Raider' survival knife (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[22:34:45]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has hit Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) with [M41A pulse rifle MK2] (thrown) (NEWHP: 99.6) (Hallway Port (99, 49, 3))
[22:34:45]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminmoreinfo=[0x30000b9]'>?</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=99;Y=49;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerfollow=[0x30000b9]'>FLW</a>) was hit by a the M41A pulse rifle MK2, thrown by RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminmoreinfo=[0x30000b9]'>?</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=99;Y=49;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerfollow=[0x30000b9]'>FLW</a>)
[22:34:46]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 99.6) (Hallway Port (102, 49, 3))
[22:34:46]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma)
[22:34:49]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 99.1) (Hallway Port (106, 51, 3))
[22:34:49]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma)
[22:34:52]ATTACK: Willam coco/(Reuben LaFortune) has punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (NEWHP: 75) (Hallway Port (106, 51, 3))
[22:34:52]ATTACK: Willam coco/(Reuben LaFortune) punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)
[22:34:53]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 98.3) (Hallway Port (107, 50, 3))
[22:34:53]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma)
[22:35:04]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 98) (Hallway Port (109, 50, 3))
[22:35:04]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) punched Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma)
[22:35:06]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 97.5) (Hallway Port (109, 50, 3))
[22:35:06]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:35:06]ATTACK: Willam coco/(Reuben LaFortune) has punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (NEWHP: 75) (Hallway Port (110, 51, 3))
[22:35:06]ATTACK: Willam coco/(Reuben LaFortune) punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)
[22:35:07]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) has attacked RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) with [M5 'Night Raider' survival knife] (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 75) (Hallway Port (109, 49, 3))
[22:35:07]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) attacked RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) with M5 'Night Raider' survival knife (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[22:35:08]ATTACK: Willam coco/(Reuben LaFortune) has punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (NEWHP: 62.5) (Hallway Port (110, 51, 3))
[22:35:08]ATTACK: Willam coco/(Reuben LaFortune) punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)
[22:35:08]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 97.5) (Hallway Port (109, 51, 3))
[22:35:08]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:35:09]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) has punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (NEWHP: 55.5) (Hallway Port (109, 50, 3))
[22:35:09]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)
[22:35:10]ATTACK: Willam coco/(Reuben LaFortune) has punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (NEWHP: 50.5) (Hallway Port (110, 51, 3))
[22:35:10]ATTACK: Willam coco/(Reuben LaFortune) punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)
[22:35:13]EMOTE: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) <B>Dr. Melvin Mason</B> screams! (Hallway Port (109, 51, 3))
[22:35:13]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) has attacked RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) with [M5 'Night Raider' survival knife] (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 42.6) (Hallway Port (108, 51, 3))
[22:35:13]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) attacked RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) with M5 'Night Raider' survival knife (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[22:35:13]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) has attacked RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) with [M5 'Night Raider' survival knife] (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 17.6) (Hallway Port (108, 51, 3))
[22:35:13]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) attacked RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) with M5 'Night Raider' survival knife (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[22:35:14]EMOTE: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) <B>Dr. Melvin Mason</B> screams! (Hallway Port (109, 51, 3))
[22:35:14]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) has attacked RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) with [M5 'Night Raider' survival knife] (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -7.4) (Hallway Port (108, 51, 3))
[22:35:14]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) attacked RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) with M5 'Night Raider' survival knife (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[22:35:15]EMOTE: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) <B>Dr. Melvin Mason</B> can no longer stand, collapsing! (Hallway Port (109, 51, 3))
[22:35:16]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "FUCK YOU SYNTH" (Hallway Port (109, 51, 3))
[22:35:20]ATTACK: Kwin_Original/(Rouley) has disarmed RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (NEWHP: -32.4) (Hallway Port (108, 50, 3))
[22:35:20]ATTACK: Kwin_Original/(Rouley) disarmed Melvin Mason (romanzc)
[22:35:31]ATTACK: ProneStream8587/(Nolan Marshall) has grabbed RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (NEWHP: -32.4) (Hallway Port (110, 51, 3))
[22:35:31]ATTACK: ProneStream8587/(Nolan Marshall) grabbed RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)
[22:35:36]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "N-Nice l-l-late helping synth" (Medical Lower (105, 54, 3))
[22:35:45]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Just stuff me i-i-into the autodoc" (Medical Lower (95, 56, 3))
[22:35:49]ATTACK: ProneStream8587/(Nolan Marshall) has grabbed RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (NEWHP: -32.4) (Medical Lower (96, 55, 3))
[22:35:49]ATTACK: ProneStream8587/(Nolan Marshall) grabbed RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)
[22:35:50]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "That r-russian n-n-nigger" (Medical Lower (95, 56, 3))
[22:37:13]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Y-Y-Yumi, d-dibil idiot." (Medical Lower (95, 54, 3))
[22:38:03]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Yumi" (Medical Lower (96, 55, 3))
[22:38:07]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "B18 spec" (Medical Lower (97, 55, 3))
[22:39:10]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Yumi yumi, where are you idiot?" (Requisitions (149, 58, 3))
[22:40:08]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "YUMI YUMI, WHERE ARE YOU" (Hangar (85, 50, 3))
[22:40:35]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Where is Yumi" (Medical Lower (110, 71, 3))
[22:40:57]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "XO, go to the crew monitoring console in CiC and tell me where Yumi is." (Hallway Starboard (110, 74, 3))
[22:41:35]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Haha" (Medical Lower (107, 69, 3))
[22:41:47]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "~hey" (Hallway Starboard (142, 74, 3))
[22:41:50]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Cutie" (Hallway Starboard (143, 74, 3))
[22:41:52]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has injected Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) with [anesthetic autoinjector] Reagents: Soporific (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (144, 75, 3))
[22:41:52]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminmoreinfo=[0x30000b9]'>?</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=144;Y=75;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerfollow=[0x30000b9]'>FLW</a>) injected Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminmoreinfo=[0x300006d]'>?</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=145;Y=76;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerfollow=[0x300006d]'>FLW</a>) with anesthetic autoinjector. Reagents: Soporific (INTENT: HURT)
[22:41:57]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has injected Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) with [anesthetic autoinjector] Reagents: Soporific (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (143, 76, 3))
[22:41:57]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminmoreinfo=[0x30000b9]'>?</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=143;Y=76;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerfollow=[0x30000b9]'>FLW</a>) injected Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminmoreinfo=[0x300006d]'>?</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=143;Y=77;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerfollow=[0x300006d]'>FLW</a>) with anesthetic autoinjector. Reagents: Soporific (INTENT: HURT)
[22:41:58]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has injected Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) with [anesthetic autoinjector] Reagents: Soporific (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (143, 79, 3))
[22:41:58]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminmoreinfo=[0x30000b9]'>?</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=143;Y=79;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerfollow=[0x30000b9]'>FLW</a>) injected Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminmoreinfo=[0x300006d]'>?</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=143;Y=81;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerfollow=[0x300006d]'>FLW</a>) with anesthetic autoinjector. Reagents: Soporific (INTENT: HURT)
[22:42:04]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Those anesthesics" (Hallway Starboard (143, 74, 3))
[22:42:05]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Are shit" (Hallway Starboard (143, 74, 3))
[22:42:18]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Yumi yumi" (Briefing Area (145, 68, 3))
[22:42:28]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Come at me, bitch" (Briefing Area (144, 68, 3))
[22:42:38]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has grabbed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (143, 73, 3))
[22:42:38]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) grabbed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma)
[22:42:46]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (129, 73, 3))
[22:42:46]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:42:56]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Need zip cuffs" (Hallway Starboard (143, 74, 3))
[22:42:59]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has grabbed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (134, 72, 3))
[22:42:59]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) grabbed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma)
[22:43:03]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (128, 73, 3))
[22:43:03]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:05]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (125, 73, 3))
[22:43:05]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:07]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (123, 73, 3))
[22:43:07]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:08]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (120, 73, 3))
[22:43:08]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:09]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (118, 73, 3))
[22:43:09]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:11]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (116, 73, 3))
[22:43:11]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:12]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (113, 73, 3))
[22:43:12]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:14]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Hallway Starboard (111, 73, 3))
[22:43:14]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:16]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Medical Lower (111, 70, 3))
[22:43:16]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:19]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Medical Surgical Hallway (114, 69, 3))
[22:43:19]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:20]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Medical Surgical Hallway (116, 69, 3))
[22:43:20]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:21]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Medical Surgical Hallway (118, 69, 3))
[22:43:21]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:43:22]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Medical Surgical Hallway (120, 69, 3))
[22:43:22]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) disarmed Yumi Shibanuma (mercerer)
[22:45:17]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Hey" (Medical Lower (106, 70, 3))
[22:45:22]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Lets have some fun, medic" (Medical Lower (105, 70, 3))
[22:45:34]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "What is your idea?" (Medical Operating Room 1 (124, 70, 3))
[22:45:37]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Fuck nugget?" (Medical Operating Room 1 (124, 70, 3))
[22:45:41]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has attempted to remove [B18 defensive armor] (jacket) Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Medical Operating Room 1 (124, 70, 3))
[22:48:00]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has attempted to remove [B18 helmet] (head) Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Medical Operating Room 1 (123, 69, 3))
[22:48:06]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has attempted to remove [B18 defensive gauntlets] (hands) Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (NEWHP: 100) (Medical Operating Room 1 (123, 69, 3))
[22:48:40]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Yo" (Medical Operating Room 1 (122, 69, 3))
[22:48:44]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Giving her B18 to a smartgunner" (Medical Operating Room 1 (122, 69, 3))
[22:48:50]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "More cruel than fuck nuggets" (Medical Operating Room 1 (121, 69, 3))
[22:49:27]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Hey medic" (Medical Lower (95, 61, 3))
[22:49:30]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Want some B18?" (Medical Lower (95, 61, 3))
[22:49:44]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Guess not!" (Hangar (93, 59, 3))
[22:49:51]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Hey" (Hangar (96, 50, 3))
[22:49:53]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Take the B18" (Hangar (95, 50, 3))
[22:50:08]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Well" (Hangar (93, 51, 3))
[22:50:14]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Atleast give this to somebody else" (Hangar (93, 51, 3))
[22:50:17]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Like a smartgunner" (Hangar (93, 51, 3))
[22:50:22]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Thats a TC" (Hangar (92, 51, 3))
[22:50:45]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Well" (Medical Operating Room 1 (121, 69, 3))
[22:50:48]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "She got adminned" (Medical Operating Room 1 (121, 69, 3))
[22:50:52]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Oh, hello!" (Medical Operating Room 1 (123, 69, 3))
[22:50:56]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Say goodbye to your B18" (Medical Operating Room 1 (123, 69, 3))
[22:51:01]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "A smartgunner now posseses it!" (Medical Operating Room 1 (123, 69, 3))
[22:51:04]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Fuck you, bitch!" (Medical Operating Room 1 (123, 69, 3))
[22:51:05]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) has punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (NEWHP: 100) (Medical Operating Room 1 (123, 68, 3))
[22:51:05]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) punched RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)
[22:51:08]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Next time dont be a dick" (Medical Operating Room 1 (123, 70, 3))
[22:52:07]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Aha" (Medical Lower (101, 65, 3))
[22:52:27]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Owo" (Medical Lower (106, 55, 3))
[22:52:32]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Does this fit well on me?" (Medical Lower (106, 55, 3))
[22:52:43]ATTACK: Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) has attempted to remove [B18 helmet] (head) RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (NEWHP: 97.5) (Medical Lower (104, 55, 3))
[22:52:44]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Yes?" (Medical Lower (105, 55, 3))
[22:52:55]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Thanks" (Medical Lower (106, 54, 3))
[22:52:58]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has smashed Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) with [Harakiri traditional styled sake] (NEWHP: 85) (Medical Lower (106, 54, 3))
[22:52:58]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminmoreinfo=[0x30000b9]'>?</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=106;Y=54;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerfollow=[0x30000b9]'>FLW</a>) attacked Mercerer/(Yumi Shibanuma) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminmoreinfo=[0x300006d]'>?</A>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=106;Y=55;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerfollow=[0x300006d]'>FLW</a>) with a bottle. (INTENT: HURT)
[22:53:13]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "I think this gun is pretty damn cool" (Medical Lower (101, 57, 3))
[22:53:21]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Why you had to lose all of it?" (Medical Lower (102, 56, 3))
[22:55:13]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Sorry" (Medical Lower (99, 70, 3))
[22:57:16]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Sup bitch" (Medical Lower (109, 70, 3))
[22:57:23]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "I look cool?" (Hallway Starboard (109, 73, 3))
[22:57:30]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" (Hallway Starboard (110, 76, 3))
[22:57:36]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Very bad!" (Hallway Starboard (103, 75, 3))
[22:59:17]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "If you want a B18, come to the medbay!" (Hallway Port (104, 51, 3))
[22:59:18]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Hey" (Hallway Port (104, 51, 3))
[22:59:20]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Want my B18?" (Hallway Port (104, 51, 3))

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Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned

Postby Trevorious » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:33 am #475582

I'm just gonna point out a few things I've noticed from log diving on this and from rereading it a few times.

First, you say it was one punch that started the incident.
But logs clearly show it was quite a few more times than just once.
Now I can understand you might not fully remember exactly how things played out, but you ALSO seem to chase them into the hanger while still hitting them and insulting them.

I don't think it was handled correctly by either player but Yumi at least seems to have tried to run and avoid the situation. Feel free to clarify anything but the logs say a lot to me.

Secondly and lastly, you admit to lying in the ahelp, and seem to have omitted or flat out lied in the appeal. While the honesty on why you lied in the ahelp makes things better.
Lying or omitting things in the appeal doesn't look too good. Also the attitude you seem to have in the ahelps and in general isn't stellar.
I am going to remain neutral on this for now.

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Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned

Postby Kingtrin » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:22 am #475642

After your last incident where you also over escalated as a synth I was actually going to permanently ban you, but I failed to to grab everyones logs beforehand. This made it difficult to ascertain the full context and I did not feel comfortable permabanning someone not knowing the full situation. I let you dodge a bullet and you received only a synthetic role ban. I did not expect you to change your behavior, and this permaban does not suprise me.

[23:14:38]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Aurelien3189/(Bloody Larva (654)): He still deserved it

There is a lot to be said about the situation at hand, particularily the attitude noted above. Your behavior here reflects your past behavior which has left you noted and job banned many times over. You say you are gonna read the rules, and you don't read the rules. You say you will change your escalating behavior, and you still over-escalate. You initiate conflict with little to no reason, and are generally a headache to deal with. It seems like every time you got bored or frustrated you would forget about the rules and start fucking over other players.

You have already made promises in the past to ahelp and handle things better. There is no reason to believe you will keep your word now. We are not here to babysit people and tell them they are being naughty and give them chance after chance. You can't take our rules seriously, for what reason is beyond me, but its clear you can't. If we are to assume this is due to immaturity, and is not outright malicious, then here is my suggestion: Come back in a year with a server recommendation. I'm not going to believe such immaturity can go away after anything less than a year.

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Re: [Ban Appeal][Auralien3819] romanzc - Permabanned

Postby jimminian95 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:19 pm #475897

After a few days without a reply, along with the converging opinions stated here, it may be time for this thread to come to a close.

I'm afraid to say that there's not enough evidence out here to say we can trust you won't resort back to the same bad behaviour. From your appeal itself, not only is the story re-told quite shifty, we don't have much to go by that you understand what you did wrong or if you've developed, aside from a footnote repeating an admin's instructions.

Even after the ban, we've seen the same attitude in terms of holding a grudge and lacking self reflection, even after an entire round thoroughly explaining the guidelines violated in these actions.

This appeal is denied for the reasons above, you can make another appeal after 30 days minimum.
Personally, I can understand wanting to play again, however, it's also necessary to learn self control as to avoid repeating mistakes and getting into even more trouble.
In the meantime, if you'd like to dedicate yourself to improve, you can always re-read our rules and talk to staff about proper guidelines and other forms of help.
Best of luck.


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