[Ban Appeal][rohesie] romanzc - Misunderstood and poor investigation

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topkek33
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[Ban Appeal][rohesie] romanzc - Misunderstood and poor investigation

Post by topkek33 » #456829

Your Byond ckey: romanzc
Your character name: Melvin Mason
Admin who banned you: rohesie
Type of ban (What are you banned from?): Jobbaned from all command roles and tempban
Ban duration: 24 hours
Ban reason: https://i.imgur.com/i508nko.png
Your side of the story: This was from a DM for rohesie, so apologies for the bad formating.

Alright so, I dont agree at all with the ban.
Let me explain the situation:
I arrive, and the first things I see its a annoucement saying the CMP stole the shuttle, marines telling me CMP was rogue and the CMP giving out move orders (possibly to escape something)
I assumed this was true due to the immense amount of people complaining of the CMP being rogue
I procceded to call the Alamo back to the Almayer using the remote console at bridge.
Shuttle arrives to the Almayer, me and the marines board the Alamo.
While we are in transit, I notice the CMP. I assume he boarded the shuttle before it left.
I grab my meteba since I didn't have anything else except a flash that doesn't work agaisn't the CMP, and procced to purpossly miss, shooting behind me, where there isn't anyone to intimidate him while yelling get on the floor.
He refuses, I disarm spam him, fail, and then he surrenders and lets me cuff him.
I interrogate him, and when I said that somebody (xenos) could hijack the shuttle, he said yup.
I assumed he was a griefer and set a execute order for sabotage.


Why do you think you should be unbanned: I think this was a misunderstood between me and Rohesie. Due to CMs logging system sucking, 50 players online and english being my second language and having limited time to explain myself before being permabanned instead, all of this may have caused my ban. I wanted to explain this situation in DMs but it falls under discord rule 4.
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Re: [Ban Appeal][rohesie] romanzc - Misunderstood and poor investigation

Post by Rohesie » #456863

Hello! I apologize in advance for our current tools are pretty bad, no database nor proper log-diving tools. It took me a while to compile this.

Here is a set of the parsed logs of the situation:
Spoiler:
//Commander wakes up and is greeted by the news of the CMP being rogue, having stolen the Alamo.
[00:13:34]SAY: FurnitureGasoap/(Luke Levett) "Commander, the CMP stole the alamo" (Dropship Alamo Transit (65, 28, 4))
[00:13:42]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Amazing start!" (Cryo Cells (184, 57, 3))
[00:13:43]SAY: Swagile/(Seymour Smith) "Please deal with the rogue CMP." (Corporate Liaison Office (82, 184, 3))
[00:14:02]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Yo" (Hallway Port (119, 50, 3))
[00:14:05]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "I need you 2" (Hallway Port (118, 50, 3))
[00:14:07]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "3, I mean" (Hallway Port (118, 50, 3))
[00:14:08]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Let's go!" (Hallway Port (118, 50, 3))
[00:14:21]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Stay here" (Hangar (85, 50, 3))


//It is noticed that the CMP is a new /tg/ player in TGMC. I poke him to ask him not to use netspeak, not allowed in /tg/ either, and to make sure he can handle the job.
[00:15:07]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->Fortelian/(John Smith): Hello, please avoid netspeak like "lol". Also, you are the acting Commander here. Do you know how to handle the role?

//CL continues with the rogue-CMP narrative.
[00:15:10]SAY: Swagile/(Seymour Smith) (Command Announcement) "Command Announcement - Hey boys, where we dropping?

- Said the Rogue CMP taking over the Alamo.

We all dropping Normandy to leave him to die.

- Said the marines stuck on Almayer.


Take the Normandy.

- Seymour Smith, CL - Seymour Smith (Corporate Liaison)" (Combat Information Center (46, 189, 3))

//The Commander decides to take direct action while I talk with the CMP.
[00:15:12]ADMIN: Melvin Mason (RomanZC) launched a shuttle from the 'Alamo' dropship console
[00:15:29]ADMIN: PM: Fortelian/(John Smith)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): I am a good captain at normal stations... mostly
[00:15:33]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Dont take the Normandy, im retrieving the Alamo" (Hull Lower (47, 50, 3))
[00:15:49]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Get the fuck out" (Dropship Normandy (64, 60, 3))
[00:15:55]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "The Alamo is returning" (Dropship Normandy (64, 61, 3))

//Unrelated little talk between the CO and a marine.
[00:16:13]SAY: Crazy creeper/(Adrian Shepard) "Commander" (Hangar (85, 52, 3))
[00:16:16]SAY: Crazy creeper/(Adrian Shepard) "I have a request" (Hangar (85, 52, 3))
[00:16:20]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "What" (Hangar (84, 51, 3))
[00:16:28]SAY: Crazy creeper/(Adrian Shepard) "From your armory to be cleasr" (Hangar (84, 51, 3))
[00:16:40]SAY: Crazy creeper/(Adrian Shepard) "I need an tactical shotgun but cargo refuses to give one" (Hangar (84, 51, 3))
[00:16:47]SAY: Crazy creeper/(Adrian Shepard) "Can you lend me yours?" (Hangar (84, 51, 3))
[00:16:58]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Yo cargo, a marine is complaining you refused a order, is that true?" (Hangar (85, 51, 3))
[00:17:05]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "A tactical shotgun, to be exact" (Hangar (85, 51, 3))
[00:17:20]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Cargo gives zero fucks" (Hangar (85, 51, 3))
[00:17:23]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Sorry, bud" (Dropship Alamo (85, 56, 3))
[00:17:28]SAY: Crazy creeper/(Adrian Shepard) "Its okay" (Dropship Alamo (84, 58, 3))
[00:17:28]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Stick with a normal shotgun" (Dropship Alamo (85, 58, 3))
[00:17:30]EMOTE: Crazy creeper/(Adrian Shepard) <B>CPL Adrian Shepard</b> salutes. (Dropship Alamo (84, 58, 3))
[00:17:39]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Im deploying with the marines to get the CMP" (Dropship Alamo (85, 61, 3))

//While this happens I'm talking with the CMP.
[00:16:24]ADMIN: PM: Fortelian/(John Smith)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): this is my first time at DMCA
[00:17:19]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->Fortelian/(John Smith): Maybe a command position is not the ideal for just starting, but if you have experience as a captain you shouldn't do horribly. Just remember we are Medium RP and you'll do fine. Oh, there's a commander there. Your job as CMP will be much, much easier. Just help where you can.
[00:17:22]ADMIN: PM: Fortelian/(John Smith)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): I am a good captain though, giving clowns all access, murdereing greytides
[00:17:37]ADMIN: PM: Fortelian/(John Smith)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): yeah, I also play HoS some
[00:17:38]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->Fortelian/(John Smith): Right, be sure to read our rules. I assume that was a joke.
[00:17:56]ADMIN: PM: Fortelian/(John Smith)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): oh on, I do give clowns all access and murder greytides if they are bad
[00:18:11]ADMIN: PM: Fortelian/(John Smith)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): speaking of which, we need to add clowns to DMCA
[00:18:22]ADMIN: Melvin Mason (RomanZC) launched a shuttle from the 'Alamo' flight controls
[00:18:25]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->Fortelian/(John Smith): There are clowns, but they are rare. ;)
[00:18:28]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Alamo launched" (Dropship Alamo (85, 68, 3))
[00:18:29]ADMIN: PM: Fortelian/(John Smith)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): and I checked the rules page, it said it was deleted
[00:18:39]ADMIN: PM: Fortelian/(John Smith)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): there are? Can I be a clown!

//When we get to the part of the rules the CO arrives and starts non-lethally attacking the CMP, having shot an unlogged mateba warning shot to the air. The CMP shoots twice, stunning a bystander and the CO.
[00:18:48]SAY: Swagile/(Seymour Smith) "There's no comms down there by the way." (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 28, 4))
[00:18:55]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "How cute." (Dropship Alamo Transit (68, 27, 4))
[00:18:57]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "Alright men" (Dropship Alamo Transit (68, 28, 4))
[00:19:00]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "On the floor" (Dropship Alamo Transit (68, 25, 4))
[00:19:00]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "Be safe out there" (Dropship Alamo Transit (68, 28, 4))
[00:19:07]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Fortelian/(John Smith) (NEWHP: 100) (Dropship Alamo Transit (68, 27, 4))
[00:19:08]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Fortelian/(John Smith) (NEWHP: 100) (Dropship Alamo Transit (68, 28, 4))
[00:19:09]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "And don't fire guns" (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 28, 4))
[00:19:13]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Fortelian/(John Smith) (NEWHP: 100) (Dropship Alamo Transit (68, 25, 4))
[00:19:16]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Fortelian/(John Smith) (NEWHP: 100) (Dropship Alamo Transit (66, 27, 4))
[00:19:18]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has disarmed Fortelian/(John Smith) (NEWHP: 100) (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 23, 4))
[00:19:19]ATTACK: Fortelian/(John Smith) has shot Carlarc/(Edwin 'Edwin' Thomas) with [taser bolt] (NEWHP: 100) (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 25, 4))
[00:19:20]ATTACK: Fortelian/(John Smith) has shot RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) with [taser bolt] (NEWHP: 100) (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 28, 4))
[00:19:25]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Shake me up quick" (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 23, 4))

//I poke the CO as things start to escalate. The CL keeps instigating the rogue narrative. The CMP stops resisting and talks instead, confused.
[00:19:28]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): What is going on here?
[00:19:35]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): arresting the CMP
[00:19:40]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "ON THE FLOOR" (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 31, 4))
[00:19:44]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): What for? With a mateba?
[00:19:55]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): Meteba is to threaten.
[00:19:56]SAY: Swagile/(Seymour Smith) "CMP ROGUE AS HECK." (Dropship Alamo Transit (69, 33, 4))
[00:19:57]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "Stop attacking me fools" (Dropship Alamo Transit (65, 34, 4))
[00:20:02]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): Did you try to even speak with him?
[00:20:04]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "I SAID ON THE FUCKING FLOOR" (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 31, 4))
[00:20:07]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "How am I rogue?" (Dropship Alamo Transit (65, 34, 4))
[00:20:13]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): Im telling him to get on the floor
[00:20:17]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "What s going on?" (Dropship Alamo Transit (65, 34, 4))
[00:20:18]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has handcuffed Fortelian/(John Smith) with [handcuffs] (attempt) (NEWHP: 100) (Dropship Alamo Transit (66, 33, 4))
[00:20:22]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "We got a cult or something?" (Dropship Alamo Transit (65, 34, 4))
[00:20:38]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has grabbed Fortelian/(John Smith) (NEWHP: 100) (Dropship Alamo (20, 201, 1))
[00:20:42]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Right" (Dropship Alamo (19, 196, 1))
[00:20:49]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Why you tried to take the Dropship" (Dropship Alamo (19, 196, 1))
[00:20:52]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "Why am I being arrested?" (Dropship Alamo (19, 193, 1))
[00:21:00]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Stealing the dropship" (Dropship Alamo (18, 191, 1))
[00:21:07]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "You mean this thing?" (Dropship Alamo (18, 194, 1))
[00:21:10]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Yes" (Dropship Alamo (19, 195, 1))
[00:21:19]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "I was just sitting in the cockpit dude" (Dropship Alamo (19, 192, 1))
[00:21:28]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "Chillas man" (Dropship Alamo (19, 192, 1))
[00:21:28]ADMIN: HELP: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): The CMP has a improper name "John Smith" - heard by 7 non-AFK admins.
[00:21:30]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "Chillax" (Dropship Alamo (20, 194, 1))
[00:21:41]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): John Smith is not an improper name.
[00:21:45]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Imagine that somebody hijacked the shuttle" (Dropship Alamo (19, 195, 1))
[00:21:50]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "Yup" (Dropship Alamo (17, 194, 1))
[00:21:58]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): oh
[00:22:06]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "So that was your plan?" (Dropship Alamo (18, 199, 1))
[00:22:09]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Alright!" (Dropship Alamo (18, 199, 1))
[00:22:11]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "My plan?" (Dropship Alamo (18, 199, 1))
[00:22:18]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "Oof" (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 31, 4))
[00:22:23]ATTACK: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) has grabbed Fortelian/(John Smith) (NEWHP: 100) (Dropship Alamo Transit (66, 33, 4))
[00:22:31]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "You re confusing me" (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 33, 4))
[00:22:34]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Marines, we are execution the CMP for sabotage." (Dropship Alamo Transit (66, 32, 4))
[00:22:41]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Executing, rather" (Dropship Alamo Transit (66, 32, 4))
[00:22:42]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "Sabatoge?" (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 33, 4))
[00:22:55]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Firing line at briefing." (Dropship Alamo Transit (66, 32, 4))

//With the CMP contained and briefly interrogated, the CO decides to execute. An AHelp is made as he gets put to sleep.
[00:23:05]ADMIN: HELP: Fortelian/(John Smith): these guys are trying to kill me for dropping off some dudes at the base. - heard by 8 non-AFK admins.
[00:23:05]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) used Toggle Sleeping on RomanZC/(Melvin Mason).
[00:23:13]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): An execution, right?
[00:23:22]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "Why am I being killed though?" (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 33, 4))
[00:23:29]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): He literally stole the dropship and admitted he wanted somebody to hijack it (xenos)
[00:23:30]SAY: Fortelian/(John Smith) "Oof" (Dropship Alamo Transit (67, 33, 4))
[00:23:51]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): Check the logs
[00:24:11]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) has created a command report: The Commander has suffered a sudden stroke after announcing an illegal execution order. Sadly he'll have to be replaced by a new one.

A minute of silence in his memory, please.
[00:24:29]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): Apparently executing the CMP for grand sabotage is bannable, ok?
[00:24:58]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): The CMP was using the dropship to transport marines.
[00:25:13]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): You investigated nothing and decided to execute the CMP. You didn't even talk with him before arresting.
[00:25:18]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): Are you fucking kidding me? EVERYONE said he was rogue and stole the dropship
[00:25:34]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): I talked with him on the dropship while he was cuffed
[00:26:01]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): CDR Melvin Mason says, "Imagine that somebody hijacked the shuttle" WO John Smith says, "Yup"
[00:26:24]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): DR Melvin Mason says, "Why you tried to take the Dropship" WO John Smith asks, "Why am I being arrested?" John Smith attempts to remove the handcuffs! CDR Melvin Mason says, "Stealing the dropship" WO John Smith asks, "You mean this thing?" CDR Melvin Mason says, "Yes" Seymour Smith stocks NanoMed with a tramadol autoinjector. Seymour Smith stocks NanoMed with a tricordrazine autoinjector. WO John Smith says, "I was just sitting in the cockpit dude"
[00:26:52]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): That is not a confirmation he did anything. He was confused as it was his first round here.
[00:27:05]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): So he was a CMP in his first round?
[00:27:17]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): And he launched the Dropship alone?
[00:27:17]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): Yes, I was DMing him about it.
[00:27:28]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): Then its stealing the dropship icly
[00:27:33]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): Not alone, there were marines. He transported them and launched it back to the Almayer again.
[00:27:55]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): He was doing something similar to a PO duty while no command was on.
[00:27:56]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): It was from the Bridge the Alamo returned
[00:28:17]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): And he launched it without any permission or without the full marine force
[00:28:28]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): I see. This is the kind of situation you AHelp. You don't just execute the CMP.
[00:28:41]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): How im supposed to know he isn't a newb but a griefer?
[00:28:51]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): By Ahelping.
[00:29:02]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): If you launch the dropship alone wordlessly what im supposed to assume

//The marines having been informed that the execution is illegal and the appellant correcting me in that the dropship had been returned by him, not by the CMP, I reconsider kicking out and job banning him out instead remove the slept condition, leaving it to just a note, despite his multiple prior notes.
[00:29:04]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Im not" (Hangar (84, 51, 3))
[00:29:15]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Ahem." (Hangar (56, 50, 3))
[00:29:25]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Shut the fuck up Lilly and do your shit" (Hangar (48, 61, 3))
[00:29:51]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Instead of telling me a shitty CMP is better than me" (Combat Information Center (49, 190, 3))
[00:29:55]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): AHelp it in the future. I'll leave a note to let other admins know that you were informed to AHelp about supposed grief instead of delivering executions. And I'll have to have a word with him.
[00:29:55]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Get to set the engine" (Combat Information Center (49, 190, 3))
[00:31:31]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) (Command Announcement) "Command Announcement - Commander here, the gods told me I cannot execute the CMP because he is a newb to this world. He shouldn't pick the CMP role when he's starting his life.
[00:31:49]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Ello" (Hallway Aft (77, 187, 3))
[00:32:13]ADMIN: HELP: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): A newb, right? Looks more like a troll - heard by 8 non-AFK admins.
[00:32:21]SAY: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) "Hey chill out" (Corporate Liaison Office (76, 185, 3))

//In little time he OOCs in IC, shows very little change and I judge a limit must be shown.
[00:32:27]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) used Toggle Sleeping on RomanZC/(Melvin Mason).
[00:32:40]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): wtf?
[00:33:13]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): Is this actually serious.
[00:33:32]ADMIN: PM: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes)->RomanZC/(Melvin Mason): That was big time OOC in IC. You have multiple notes and I don't think you are getting the requirements of the job. You are getting a jobban from command and a time out. I did tell you that this role is taken more seriously.
[00:34:04]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): But I tried to make it look less OOC in IC
[00:35:27]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) perma-banned RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) from Commander
[00:35:27]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) perma-banned RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) from Executive Officer
[00:35:27]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) perma-banned RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) from Staff Officer
[00:35:27]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) perma-banned RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) from Pilot Officer
[00:35:27]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) perma-banned RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) from Tank Crewman
[00:35:27]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) perma-banned RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) from Corporate Liaison
[00:35:27]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) perma-banned RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) from Requisitions Officer
[00:35:27]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) perma-banned RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) from Chief Engineer
[00:35:27]ADMIN: Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes) perma-banned RomanZC/(Melvin Mason) from Chief Medical Officer
[00:35:54]ADMIN: PM: RomanZC/(Melvin Mason)->Rohesie/(Amanda Libornes): Alright, I was trying to tell the marines to not kill him because he was a newbie, and I made it word out like he was new to his life.
A full log of the round will be posted probably tomorrow, once we remove the IPs and sensitive information.

I'm not posting your note history unless if you want to challenge the notion that it exists and is extensive.

On this case I feel it was justified and quite lenient considering how many warnings you have. You may make your case if you disagree with what was stated here, and other admins or witnesses are free to chip in.

I must say that your history in other servers, including /tg/, is far from the best. I'm sincerely trying to get you to change your behavior, but we can't warn forever. At some point we must say that enough is enough.
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Re: [Ban Appeal][rohesie] romanzc - Misunderstood and poor investigation

Post by topkek33 » #456890

Under the marine law, sedition, the act of refusing and acting agaisn't the USCM, which he did by stealing the Almayer (taking the shuttle and not warning anyone at all, which will be assumed as stealing it) which can result to xenos stealing it, and neglect of duty for what I just said, the punishments either permabrig or execution. I went for execution because I assumed he was griefing by being pretty wordless and short answers.
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Re: [Ban Appeal][rohesie] romanzc - Misunderstood and poor investigation

Post by Kingtrin » #456998

For the 200th time battlefield executions are not allowed, and normal executions are extremely rare and only done with approval from HC. If we were to assume that everyone acting incompetently is a griefer we would have to ban most of the server for friendly fire. This is a terrible mindset to have, especially as a command staff. Your note history is god awful and you have made promises to read our rules to avoid situations like this, something you evidently have not done. You can apologize only so many times for misunderstandings, LRP, terrible escalation, and antagonistic behavior before you run down our patience.

I can guarantee to you that this happened because of your attitude, not because of logging or a language barrier. Stop treating your fellow players like they are assholes out to steal fun from you.
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Re: [Ban Appeal][rohesie] romanzc - Misunderstood and poor investigation

Post by Rohesie » #457069

I'm attaching the full round logs, zipped, in case you want to use them for arguing your case further.

The ban time has ended by now, so the resolution of this won't have many effects.

Since you named your thread "poor investigation" I thought it woudln't be fair to judge it without consulting other admins, to see if my ruling was unfair and how much I investigated was insufficient. The general feedback I got was that a single day ban was too light. You've been banned for a day or noted as "no more warnings" by three different admins not counting myself. You can check that in your notes.

See, the philosophy we have here of moderating is to try to change the player's behavior. That makes us somewhat tolerant in comparison to other servers. In a lot of them you'd have netted a ban much sooner. This day ban is a wake-up call. You shouldn't be surprised if the next one is a permanent one. Your note history would justify it. I'm really trying to give you another chance despite what other admins recommend. Please try not to dismiss that.

I'll leave this open for a few days in case you or other admins want to add more to it, but it's for the most part resolved from my side. The ban seems to me not to be unfair, and if anything it's very light.

In the future try to AHelp when you see grief, instead of handling it yourself. Rule 1 is the golden rule here, and our game mode is not focused in antag paranoia and crew vs crew. The enemies belong to a different faction, and people within the same one should be helping each other, not antagonizing. We have no traitors here.
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