[Ban Appeal][Trevoriousdafox] Ducky 'Dad' Johnson - CMO Perm Ban & Note

[KennyFlinger]

Your Byond ckey: KennyFlinger

Your character name: Ducky 'Dad' Johnson

Admin who banned you: Trevoriousdafox

Type of ban (What are you banned from?): CMO job ban

Ban duration: Permanent

Ban reason: "Deployed as CMO to the FOB to fight with a smartgun." - round ID: 214

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Your side of the story: State of the round in steps:

1. The round started being completely devoid of command staff (and players in general, 35-42'ish). It took 30-90 minutes in before we got a random captain to start doing everything himself.

2. People on the planet got pounded into the dirt in no time with ALL medics (and specialists) dying with exception of one incompetent one.

3. Medical was explosively overstaffed, counting 4 doctors idling myself NOT included: https://i.imgur.com/hjeIqCw.png

4. After 40-80+ minutes of idling in medical with around 1-2 patients ever being transported or beamed up and seeing how my fellow doctors were only capable of using the auto-doc, i decided to go down myself to try and quench the never-ending waves of deceased marines.

5. I explicitly stated this in commands comms and had the captain be the one bringing me down on the planet:

https://i.imgur.com/UI2qrST.png

https://i.imgur.com/cvO3CsG.png

6. I bring down ample medical supplies and a surgery kit with me down. I treated whoever needed it and then i proceeded to pick up an abandoned smartgun (that was lying on the floor) to idly take pot-shots on xenos behind multiple barricades covered by sentries (as they were understaffed & covering 3 angles) when everyone was at peak health to avoid friendly fire with my shit shooting skill.

7. I get bwoinked by this trial admin (initially by another admin) that proceeds to question what I'm doing on the planet and having them eventually accusing me of "going rambo with a smartgun" and "abandoning medical" that had 2-3 idle doctors sitting on their hands:

https://i.imgur.com/L5H0iN8.png

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Why do you think you should be unbanned:

First of, i found the smartgun on the ground abandoned on the ship (or planet ground, can't remember), meaning i had no way of knowing i was actually gonna use a smartgun which fundamentally de-bases this entire ban right from the get-go.

Second, the entire reasoning the admin managed to come up with after all his other accusations failed was that the captain never """EXPLICITLY""" gave me """PERMISSION""" to go down on the planet, despite being the one that CALLED and CONTROLLED the ship for me to GO DOWN IN after i said i was GOING TO DO SO. Furthermore.. Permanent ban on the first 'offense'? Seriously?

[Urytion]

Hi, so Trevorious or Lakiller8 needs to be the one to actually action this, but I'll take a quick stab at it.

In regards to your deployment, the rules are fairly clear. Heads of Departments should never abandon the ship without a very good reason, such as evacuating in the case of a nuclear detonation. Rule 5 Precedent 6. You're also arguably violating Precedents 2 and 4, because according to you, you were the only competent doctor on staff so your department wasn't really being taken care of, but that's a stretch at best so let's not. Your screenshots don't really show you getting permission, so I agree with Trevorious in this case. You just said call the Alamo up, and send it back down. You said you were going once. You never asked permission, or really identified yourself as the CMO. If you want to deploy and be a field doctor, play as a Medical Officer, not as the CMO. And the Captain even said that they never gave you permission. So that's Rule 5 Precedent 4 again.

The smartgunning I can't really answer because logs are not exactly perfect for these sorts of situations, so one of the admins handling the case will need to comment on that. All I will say is that non-combat personnel are generally expected to stick to their role. If you are a field doctor with no patients, you sit and wait or return to the ship.

Let's address the other big issue on why you got a jobban instead of a slap on the wrist and a note. You were extremely argumentative, refused to see fault, and frequently insulted the administrator handling your case. Considering that, you're very lucky you weren't given a server ban in addition to your jobban. Trevorious showed excellent restraint.

Given the short amount of time between your banning and this appeal, your argumentative attitude, and the fact that you still don't see what you're doing wrong, I'm strongly against this being lifted.

[Rafar9]

Hi, I’m the administrator that was initially handling your case before I handed it off to Trev due to an IRL emergency.

I cannot comment on the job ban itself considering I went offline before this really amped up it seems, but there are a few things I would like to clarify.

First I neither said you were “going Rambo” or “abandoning Medical” I simply questioned why the CMO, a department lead and therefore part of command staff was on the ground, fighting xenos instead of managing their department.

Second, while I understand your frustration that you cannot send any of your staff to the ground to heal since they apparently don’t know surgery, that is still not an excuse for you to leave them to their own devices to go shoot xenos. You had options, LOOC tell them to mhelp, or take the time to teach them, which should be easy if medical was as dead as you said it was. If you were not getting enough patientns to keep you satisfied, you could have said over medical comms for medics to drag bodies to the Alamo to come up for heals, or even ask someone in CIC to make an announcement to the same effect.

Utimately however, I don’t think me or Trev had a particular problem either you being on the ground if you were simply acting as a stand in medic. It is not ideal, but at least you would be somewhat playing your role while also having time to manage your department over comms. The real problem here, however is that you were not doing that, you were firing at the xenos with a smart gun on the second layer of cades, not the innermost. While you are a commissioned officer, you should not be picking up a weapon off the ground which an injured marine might have dropped and fighting, no matter how many snow barriers were between you and the xenos. That is not your job.

Finally, i am pretty sure that the CPT was just announcing the Alamo going up and down, not giving you permission to deploy. He does not in any way acknowledge your statement, which indicates he simply didn’t see it.

At the time I handed it off I was just planning to note you, but I cannot speak for Trev’s experience. They should be posting soon.

[Trevorious]

Okay, where to begin.
Yes I was not the first admin to handle the ticket. Rafar was but had something come up, so I took over. There was an Ahelp about you fighting on the front lines as CMO.
I was playing as a xeno at that time and was not any where near to confirm or deny this. But by the time I took over Rafar had already confirmed.

I also did have a few people confirm this though in Dchat saying they thought the CMO was a PMC SG. I have no clue if the CMO did do any actual medical work on the FOB or how much.
Regardless they never got permission from the CO. I Messaged the CO to confirm this.

So we've got a rule break on.
Rule 5 Precedents.

2. Ranks with IC authority have the duty to make sure the departments under their purview are properly running. For Synths and Queens that means the whole operation. For Captains the whole ship. For Field Commanders the whole ground operation.

4. Shipside roles, such as Medical Offiers, Cargo Technicians, Maintainance Technicians, Synth or IOs, should not deploy if their departments are not being taken care of. They must additionally get permission from their higher-ups, and remain in FOB while deployed. They should not leave their departments completely abandoned either.

6. Captains and heads of departments should never abandon their ship without very good reasons, such as evacuating in case of a nuclear detonation.

In short, not to just repeat what Urytion has said but basically.
If you wanted to deploy to do field surgery that's great. But you shouldn't deploy or played as CMO if you wanted to do that. That's why we have regular doctors.
If you do deploy as a doctor, you shouldn't really ever be fighting unless it's to defend yourself. And should never be at the frontline of barricades with a smartgun.
The screenshot is very unclear and again as Urytion has said you never made it clear to anyone you had intent to deploy.

And lastly the job ban was a bit harsh I agree.
But I think it was necessary since you never seemed to understand what you did wrong and wanted to just argue the semantics of how you never broke any rules.
Also how you treated myself and the other admin in PMs, and in the situation in general was very rude to say the least.

I don't think this should be lifted yet, you can play as doctor if you want to do things like this not CMO.
If you do want to actually follow the rules and play CMO properly then I suggest you play doctor for a little bit to show us improvement and then reappeal.

[KennyFlinger]

You just said call the Alamo up, and send it back down. You said you were going once.

Please stop contradicting yourself.

You never asked permission, or really identified yourself as the CMO.

Why would I need to "identify" myself when the radio comms does that for me?

https://i.imgur.com/o6inZqN.png

If you want to deploy and be a field doctor, play as a Medical Officer, not as the CMO.

Did you just neglect reading the entire OP of it's entirety?

All the medics were dead. I did not "want" to be a field doctor, i ended up doing so as it was NECESSARY with the other doctors being incapable of doing surgery due to the auto-doc still existing. Please learn what a low-pop round is.

And the Captain even said that they never gave you permission. So that's Rule 5 Precedent 4 again.

So you're saying the server has a 100% non-leniency policy towards filling roles when it has a population of 30-40, completely disregarding the fact that the captain was swamped in work and otherwise too busy to actually respond to this high-RP rule of "permission asking"?

Let's address the other big issue on why you got a jobban instead of a slap on the wrist and a note.

Now you're just downright posing as the admin that gave the ban.. Please stop. Thanks.

[KennyFlinger]

I cannot comment on the job ban itself considering I went offline before this really amped up it seems, but there are a few things I would like to clarify.

First I neither said you were “going Rambo” or “abandoning Medical” I simply questioned why the CMO, a department lead and therefore part of command staff was on the ground, fighting xenos instead of managing their department.

I never said you said that, my dude. Please read the OP.

https://i.imgur.com/sqZp6zP.png

Second, while I understand your frustration that you cannot send any of your staff to the ground to heal since they apparently don’t know surgery, that is still not an excuse for you to leave them to their own devices to go shoot xenos.

Except i didn't go down to "Shoot xenos" as was already debunked in the OP. I took pot-shots on them using a gun i found on the ground. Please stop making false accusations.

You had options, LOOC tell them to mhelp, or take the time to teach them, which should be easy if medical was as dead as you said it was. If you were not getting enough patientns to keep you satisfied

You want me to try and teach people how to do surgery when there exists a machine that does this for them with no bodies or other players to construct surgery on?.. Mate, what? Can you please point me towards the nearest blow-up doll fabricator on the ship?

you could have said over medical comms for medics to drag bodies to the Alamo to come up for heals

https://i.imgur.com/lSxzF7J.png

Not gonna respond further to your ranting until you please read the OP. Thanks.

[KennyFlinger]

I was playing as a xeno at that time and was not any where near to confirm or deny this. But by the time I took over Rafar had already confirmed.

I also did have a few people confirm this though in Dchat saying they thought the CMO was a PMC SG. I have no clue if the CMO did do any actual medical work on the FOB or how much.

So you're now admitting to not only neglecting to actually look at the situation:

INCLUDING MID CONVERSATION: https://i.imgur.com/U2govZL.png

While also seeing it fit to make accusations of me "going rambo with a smartgun" and creating fabricated ban-reason with this presumption but you also didn't bother to look at the logs? Holy crap my dude. Thanks for admitting that.

Regardless they never got permission from the CO. I Messaged the CO to confirm this.
So we've got a rule break on.
Rule 5 Precedents.

2. Ranks with IC authority have the duty to make sure the departments under their purview are properly running. For Synths and Queens that means the whole operation. For Captains the whole ship. For Field Commanders the whole ground operation.

Like i explained to you in vivid detail many times as you were refusing to listen apparently, medical was "properly running". It was overstaffed. Full of doctors around every corner, doing nothing. There was no rule break on this predecent.

4. Shipside roles, such as Medical Offiers, Cargo Technicians, Maintainance Technicians, Synth or IOs, should not deploy if their departments are not being taken care of. They must additionally get permission from their higher-ups, and remain in FOB while deployed. They should not leave their departments completely abandoned either.

Again, the department was overstaffed and "properly being taken care of" despite your argumentative, non-professional bickering trying to insist otherwise: https://i.imgur.com/hjeIqCw.png

6. Captains and heads of departments should never abandon their ship without very good reasons, such as evacuating in case of a nuclear detonation.

Ah yes. The good ol' vague rule.

What is "abandoning"? Let me cite the definition for you.

abandon
/əˈband(ə)n/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: abandoning
1.
cease to support or look after (someone); desert.
"her natural mother had abandoned her at an early age"
synonyms: desert, leave, leave high and dry, turn one's back on, cast aside, break (up) with; More
2.
give up completely (a practice or a course of action).
"he had clearly abandoned all pretence of trying to succeed"

You're trying to twist this entire situation into saying i somehow betrayed and/or left with no intent of coming back ever, leaving medical to CERTAIN DOOM!!!!! when me and multiple other players (who can't be bothered to learn how to learn surgery due to the auto-doc, this has been discussed before both on the github and discord, not great to see that this issue has been seemingly completely ignored) have been standing there for OVER AN HOUR with no way to fulfill our duties but going down on the planet.. Which i did. To DO SURGERY and DELIVER MEDICAL SUPPLIES and HELPING OUT THE FOB WHERE NEEDED using a GUN DROPPED ON THE FLOOR before RETURNING TO THE SHIP.

If you wanted to deploy to do field surgery that's great. But you shouldn't deploy or played as CMO if you wanted to do that. That's why we have regular doctors.

Gonna have to repeat myself here again since you're gonna parrot the other admin. I did not want to do field surgery. But there was no other doctors being capable of doing such, forcing me to GO DOWN THERE and do it myself temporarily.

If you do deploy as a doctor, you shouldn't really ever be fighting unless it's to defend yourself. And should never be at the frontline of barricades with a smartgun.

More accusations here, i see.

1. Frontline of barricades as a sentence doesn't work. Especially not when i'm behind other people and sentries, conducting embryo removal surgery most of the time. :)

2. There is no rule whatsoever saying you can't or shouldn't fight "as a doctor" or even as other civilian'esque roles. Please stop making garbage up your head and begin to realize what a low-pop round is and what action it requires some people to take in order to fill the gaps.

The screenshot is very unclear and again as Urytion has said you never made it clear to anyone you had intent to deploy.

No. It's not. https://i.imgur.com/UI2qrST.png

For your viewing-impaired convenience: https://i.imgur.com/auMVQu6.png

But I think it was necessary since you never seemed to understand what you did wrong and wanted to just argue the semantics of how you never broke any rules.

You say this unironically as i was repeatedly asking you to clarify specifically on what part of the rule i broke just to have you ignore everything i say, copy-pasta the bulk of it over and over again like a trial-admin, bicker for a few minutes using some extremely broken english and subsequently close my "ticket" without an answer:

https://i.imgur.com/FNsty4U.png

https://i.imgur.com/cl4wiPh.png

Even leaving me to wait for a reply for 10-15 minutes because you didn't tell me you were talking with someone else? Please stop. Thanks.

[Trevorious]

Here's the Admin PMs, buckle up cause it's a read.

Spoiler:

[2019-03-28 02:08:38.318] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #9: David Stormwell/(David 'Snake' Stormwell): By the way, the CMO deployed and is acting as a SG - heard by 4 non-AFK staff.

[2019-03-28 02:08:53.376] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373))->David Stormwell/(David 'Snake' Stormwell): Thanks, on it

[2019-03-28 02:10:25.099] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): Mind explaining why you are acting as a SG while being a CMO?

[2019-03-28 02:10:47.572] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373)): are you asking me why i took gear that was lying around with medical overstaffed?

[2019-03-28 02:12:17.182] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): I'm asking why you left a department that you lead to do a job that you are unqualified for. Doctors should not be on the frontlines period unless they have a very good reason. Command staff, which a CMO is, should DEFINITELY not be frontlining when they have a department to lead.

[2019-03-28 02:13:10.098] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373)): as i said, medical is overstaffed with no work to do due to all medics having died and/or are completely incompetent, and i'm not frontlining by holding a gun at the FOB.

[2019-03-28 02:16:06.587] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): I understand that. I am simply stating that even if there were 50 doctors the leader of the medical department should not be firing a smartgun at the xenos which are currently charging the FOB, making this frontlining.
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- I would recommend reading Rule 5, as the CMO and command staff you are held to a higher standard, which means if medical is overstaffed as you stay, one of your doctors should be groundside while you are leading the medical department on the ship. If you understand this and head back up I think this can be solved.

[2019-03-28 02:17:27.353] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): To clarify if you wanted to doctor at the FOB a regular doctor would have been a better choice

[2019-03-28 02:17:32.389] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373)): So you're saying i should continue being AFK on the Alamo for over the existing hour I have already been on with 2-3 other doctors and having no beam-ups, while the FOB is undermanned?? As for the "Other doctors", like I said, they're completely incompetent to the point where they think an "unknown substance in blood" scan means a rotting xeno infection. They don't know surgery and simply just use the auto-doc.

[2019-03-28 02:18:28.605] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373)): Which means they can't do surgeries on the ground.

[2019-03-28 02:19:30.634] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373)): Can someone take over this ticket? IRL emergency

[2019-03-28 02:19:43.169] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): sure

[2019-03-28 02:19:54.682] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373)): Owe you one Trev, its the combat CMO

[2019-03-28 02:20:01.022] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Rafar9/(Elder Sentinel (373)): Thanks

[2019-03-28 02:23:02.389] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): Hello there, I'll be taking over this ticket since the admin who was had to go.

[2019-03-28 02:25:14.338] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): So you deployed as the CMO and abandoned medbay as its head?

[2019-03-28 02:26:14.476] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): .. "Abandoned"? Like i said to the other admin, all medics are down and/or completely incompetent while the other doctors are overstaffed and/or rapidly going SSD, only ever being capable of operating the autodoc, which means no beam-ups for us in the last hour or so.

[2019-03-28 02:29:34.357] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): Thrn you should have cryo'd and gone xeno or joined as a different job. You deploying as CMO to be a SG has basically wasted a much needed jobslot for medbay. And it's a violation of rule 5

[2019-03-28 02:31:04.970] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): So let me get this straight.. You'd rather have someone stop playing in a round of extreme low pop rather than have the CMO fill in for the dead medics on the surface? And those sort of rules are made with the assumption that there's an actual functional chain-of-command with adequate people to fill all positions.

[2019-03-28 02:31:14.339] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): Rule 5
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- .3- All Command, military police and leadership roles require active commitment to the success of the mission, closely following the chain of command.
- .4- Shipside roles, such as Medical Offiers, Cargo Technicians, Maintainance Technicians, Synth or IOs, should not deploy if their departments are not being taken care of. They must additionally get permission from their higher-ups, and remain in FOB while deployed. They should not leave their departments completely abandoned either.

[2019-03-28 02:31:39.164] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): Mate. It's "taken care of" like i said. There's 2-3 other doctors up there.

[2019-03-28 02:31:46.163] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): You we'ren't being a doctor or medic you were going rambo with a smartgun

[2019-03-28 02:32:06.424] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): RAMBO? WTF? I was standing behind the barricades taking inaccurate potshots with an abandoned smartgun

[2019-03-28 02:33:38.655] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): Either way you broke the rules. Do you see this issue here?

[2019-03-28 02:34:01.786] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): No i didn't technically break any rules actually. Point out how medical on the ship isn't covered.

[2019-03-28 02:34:49.755] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): Well for one did the CO give you premission to deploy?

[2019-03-28 02:35:44.695] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): Two if you say medbays doctors are incompetent then you leaving them there alone is abondoning your department.

[2019-03-28 02:35:54.304] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): You mean ask permission from the nonexistent command staff we had 90 minutes into the round before a random captain joined and started being unresponsive because he's trying to manage 4 squads alone?

[2019-03-28 02:36:12.484] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): So you did not have premission

[2019-03-28 02:36:26.426] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): And now you're trying to use my reasonable explanation that i can't send the doctors down so i have to go down myself as an point of argument? What the fuck?

[2019-03-28 02:36:55.812] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): What part of literally no command and an overstaffed medical bay do you not understand?

[2019-03-28 02:36:59.625] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): I can see this is going no where
0, 196, 2)

[2019-03-28 02:37:16.036] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): With your trial admin 'logic', certainly not.

[2019-03-28 02:37:54.847] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): So you do not see the issue here? Really?

[2019-03-28 02:38:25.814] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): 1. You're saying i should have asked for permission. I say, there's literally no command to ask permission from. 2. You're saying i "abandoned" medical when there's already 1-2 doctors on it.

[2019-03-28 02:38:40.244] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): Exactly what are you trying to accuse me of here?

[2019-03-28 02:39:46.345] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): And for the record, i did inform the captain that i was going down.

[2019-03-28 02:40:39.823] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): I've already told you what rules you broke. You refuse to understand and keep arguing. I'm going to apply a CMO job ban and a note.

[2019-03-28 02:41:00.777] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): You can apply this on our forums.

[2019-03-28 02:41:05.184] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): I'm asking again of what you're trying to accuse me of.

[2019-03-28 02:41:10.627] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): appeal*

[2019-03-28 02:41:29.211] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): Rule 5 .3- All Command, military police and leadership roles require active commitment to the success of the mission, closely following the chain of command. .4- Shipside roles, such as Medical Offiers, Cargo Technicians, Maintainance Technicians, Synth or IOs, should not deploy if their departments are not being taken care of. They must additionally get permission from their higher-ups, and remain in FOB while deployed. They should not leave their departments completely abandoned either.

[2019-03-28 02:42:14.881] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): https://i.imgur.com/cvO3CsG.png

[2019-03-28 02:42:48.695] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): The captain was the one that let me down on the planet, buddy. And like i repeated 2-3 times now, medical already has 2-3 excess doctors doing nothing because all the foremen are dead.

[2019-03-28 02:43:32.565] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): So instead of copy-pastaing the rules like a complete trial admin, how about you actually tell me what i specifically did going against said rule?

[2019-03-28 02:49:36.227] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): Hello?

[2019-03-28 02:50:27.478] ADMINPRIVATE: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)) has created a note for KennyFlinger: As the CMO, they deployed to the FOB to fight on the frontlines with a smartgun. Had this to say about it. \"So you\'re saying i should continue being AFK on the Alamo for over the existing hour I have already been on with 2-3 other doctors and having no beam-ups, while the FOB is undermanned?? As for the \"Other doctors\", like I said, they\'re completely incompetent to the point where they think an \"unknown substance in blood\" scan means a rotting xeno infection. They don\'t know surgery and simply just use the auto-doc.\". Also \"You mean ask permission from the nonexistent command staff we had 90 minutes into the round before a random captain joined and started being unresponsive because he\'s trying to manage 4 squads alone?\". Was very argumentative in PMs about the situation. Had this to say to me in the end about it, \"So instead of copy-pastaing the rules like a complete trial admin, how about you actually tell me what i specifically did going against said rule?\". Was given a CMO job ban, can be appealed on the forums.

[2019-03-28 02:52:02.790] ADMINPRIVATE: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)) has created a permanent role ban from 1 roles for KennyFlinger. Roles: Chief Medical Officer Reason: Deployed as CMO to the FOB to fight with a smartgun.

[2019-03-28 02:53:14.977] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): Hello the note has been issued and job ban. You can see it under the OOC view admin remarks verb

[2019-03-28 02:54:34.773] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): I'm still waiting for you to clarify on what part of a CMO going down on the planet with permission from the captain while medical is overstaffed is against the rule buddy.

[2019-03-28 02:56:34.714] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrWorth/(Gerry Worth)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): Aye sir

[2019-03-28 02:56:59.058] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->MrWorth/(Gerry Worth): Did the CMO ever ask you for premisson to deploy?

[2019-03-28 02:57:25.134] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrWorth/(Gerry Worth)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): He may have, but I never specifically said he could

[2019-03-28 02:57:41.088] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->MrWorth/(Gerry Worth): Thanks that's all I needed to know

[2019-03-28 02:57:59.021] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->MrWorth/(Gerry Worth): Sorry to bother you about this again

[2019-03-28 02:58:25.869] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: MrWorth/(Gerry Worth)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): No problem, just watching freelancers defend a random ships SD from xenos

[2019-03-28 02:58:30.788] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): He said he never gave you premisson

[2019-03-28 02:59:04.474] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): What part of me giving you picture proof of me saying i'm going down on the planet and him being the one doing it don't you quite understand?

[2019-03-28 02:59:24.359] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): I looked at the picture and ????

[2019-03-28 02:59:33.077] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): it was not clear at all

[2019-03-28 02:59:50.389] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): and I literally asked the man himself

[2019-03-28 03:00:06.579] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): https://i.imgur.com/cvO3CsG.png

[2019-03-28 03:00:16.022] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): https://i.imgur.com/FqE71SL.png

[2019-03-28 03:00:27.714] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): down as in to the planet?

[2019-03-28 03:00:40.002] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): .......... WHERE ELSE? LMAO

[2019-03-28 03:00:53.393] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): No where inb there do I see hey CO may I deploy, and a reply of Yes you may CMO

[2019-03-28 03:01:54.713] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Ancient Runner (991)): So if someone asks you if they can go through a door.. Is them not grabbing said door and holding it open for you a "Yes" in your brain?

[2019-03-28 03:02:44.637] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson)->Trevoriousdafox/(Alpha Ancient Runner (991)): I'm also not quite sure why you're expecting high RP communication when he is completely alone in command doing multiple jobs at once while the rest of the ship is also understaffed?

[2019-03-28 03:03:56.435] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Trevoriousdafox/(Alpha Ancient Runner (991))->KennyFlinger/(Ducky 'Dad' Johnson): Look I already told you the issue. If you feel the punishment was unjust feel free to appeal on the forums.

I don't have anything to add here.

[KennyFlinger]

I don't have anything too add here.

You could explain why you went out of your way to fabricate a ban reason like i just outlined in my reply?

You didn't check the logs, you didn't look over what was going on and you apparently didn't see anything yourself, yet you decided to slap on a permanent ban with the fabricated reason of saying I went down as the CMO to pewpew the aliens with a smartgun when this just wasn't the case? You know, the whole point of this appeal process? :)

[Trevorious]

Actually I DO have one thing to add, though a bit unrelated to the ban. After reading all of your chat logs ect that round.

All I can say is you have a horrible attitude towards other people. I'd work on that.

[KennyFlinger]

Actually I DO have one thing to add, though a bit unrelated to the ban. After reading all of your chat logs ect that round.

All I can say is you have a horrible attitude towards other people. I'd work on that.

You mean towards "people" that accuse you of doing things you didn't do multiple times-.. Ooh. I see what you're doing. You just realized how fake and garbage this false, fabricated ban is so you're trying to make it an issue of attitude instead.

I'd suggest you post that in the player complaint section instead of here in the ban appeal section since it is irrelevant to the subject in hand.. Oh wait. there isn't a player complaint section.

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Think i'm just gonna go ahead and give up on this "appeal" seeing how it isn't an actual ban appeal process as much as it is an admin circle-jerk person judgement process with the guy banning you refusing to even reply to you. Let me know when you guys stop putting ad-hominemic children in charge of administrating your server.

[Trevorious]

Okay this has gone on enough.

It's clear you don't understand or care what rules you've broken.
And I am fairly sure you have no intent to improve.

This is DENIED

I'll be locking the thread, any headmin/Lead can overrule this.