[note] hathkar artilljerist

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[note] hathkar artilljerist

Postby artilljeristus » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:55 pm #570405

BYOND account: artilljerist
Character name: Northeast Southweston
The note itself: Had a silly name, asked them to change it to something less silly. Said they would.
Time note was placed: 01:57:48
Round ID in which note was placed: 4390
Your side of the story: In the middle of the round, Aurelien asked me if I had a few minutes. Later he asked to change the name, because, I quote, it's "too long and does not fit the standards of MediumRP."
Why do you think it should be removed/reworded: Note should be deleted because Aurelien, if my memory serves me right, asked me to literally change the same nickname in places to something like to South West or West South, which will not change the meaning of the nickname at all, although from Aurelien's point of view this should change something. At the same time the Hatkar put a note for some reason, although he did not ask me about anything.



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Re: [note] hathkar artilljerist

Postby Hathkar » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:42 pm #570417

Northeast Southweston is a very silly name that obviously breaks our naming policy. I asked you to change it to something more reasonable, which you seem to have done judging by your name next round.

Ticket Logs:
Spoiler:
[2020-07-20 01:42:18.647] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Lana Kusami)->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): Got a minute? You're not in trouble or anything.
[2020-07-20 01:42:23.747] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): ye
[2020-07-20 01:43:30.654] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): I'm listening
[2020-07-20 01:43:56.655] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Lana Kusami)->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): Your name, while amusing, doesn't really fit our naming policy. You could probably get away with just changing it to North Southton or North Weston.
[2020-07-20 01:44:11.721] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): ha-ha, nice joke
[2020-07-20 01:44:53.948] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Lana Kusami)->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): Northeast Southweston is stretching it just a bit far, since we try to keep things at a Medium RP level.
[2020-07-20 01:45:35.994] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): which rp? cmon, it's a TDM about 23st century where the aliens called by the ALIEN movie, lol
[2020-07-20 01:48:20.087] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Lana Kusami)->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): It's totally fine if you don't want to RP, all I'm asking is you try not to break the immersion of people who do want to RP.
[2020-07-20 01:48:32.553] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): you see
[2020-07-20 01:49:01.833] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): it didn't change the meaning even if I will rename my mob in South West, because it's the same actually
[2020-07-20 01:49:46.529] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Lana Kusami)->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): All I'm asking is just a slightly less silly name.
[2020-07-20 01:50:07.231] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): nice joke anyway
[2020-07-20 01:52:02.683] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Admeme Ancient Spitter (981))->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): So, will you change your name for the following rounds?
[2020-07-20 01:52:11.585] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Admeme Ancient Spitter (981)): mhm


I see no reason to remove the note, as what it contains what we discussed in PMs.

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Re: [note] hathkar artilljerist

Postby artilljeristus » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:24 pm #570423

Hathkar wrote:Northeast Southweston is a very silly name that obviously breaks our naming policy. I asked you to change it to something more reasonable, which you seem to have done judging by your name next round.

Ticket Logs:
Spoiler:
[2020-07-20 01:42:18.647] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Lana Kusami)->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): Got a minute? You're not in trouble or anything.
[2020-07-20 01:42:23.747] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): ye
[2020-07-20 01:43:30.654] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): I'm listening
[2020-07-20 01:43:56.655] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Lana Kusami)->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): Your name, while amusing, doesn't really fit our naming policy. You could probably get away with just changing it to North Southton or North Weston.
[2020-07-20 01:44:11.721] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): ha-ha, nice joke
[2020-07-20 01:44:53.948] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Lana Kusami)->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): Northeast Southweston is stretching it just a bit far, since we try to keep things at a Medium RP level.
[2020-07-20 01:45:35.994] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): which rp? cmon, it's a TDM about 23st century where the aliens called by the ALIEN movie, lol
[2020-07-20 01:48:20.087] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Lana Kusami)->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): It's totally fine if you don't want to RP, all I'm asking is you try not to break the immersion of people who do want to RP.
[2020-07-20 01:48:32.553] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): you see
[2020-07-20 01:49:01.833] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): it didn't change the meaning even if I will rename my mob in South West, because it's the same actually
[2020-07-20 01:49:46.529] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Lana Kusami)->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): All I'm asking is just a slightly less silly name.
[2020-07-20 01:50:07.231] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Lana Kusami): nice joke anyway
[2020-07-20 01:52:02.683] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hathkar/(Admeme Ancient Spitter (981))->Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston): So, will you change your name for the following rounds?
[2020-07-20 01:52:11.585] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Northeast Southweston)->Hathkar/(Admeme Ancient Spitter (981)): mhm


I see no reason to remove the note, as what it contains what we discussed in PMs.


I See. So it was you, my apologize.
I respect your point, but common sense tells that it's too much to set a note for, uhm, NAME. Can you explain in detail why it breaks server policy?

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Re: [note] hathkar artilljerist

Postby Hathkar » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:08 pm #570438

Straight from https://tgstation13.org/wiki/TGMC:Rules

3. Keep a modicum of RP and separation between character and player. The server is intended to be MRP.

Rule 3 precendents: 4. Humans must have a realistic first name and last name with no honorifics attached.
5. The naming rule intends to preserve a certain degree of immersion. As a general guideline, if it wouldn't fit in a new non-comedy sci-fi work, it likely won't fit here. This is subjective and ultimately up to the discretion of the admins and lore people. Ask if in doubt to get your name approved.

PostThis post was deleted by terranaut on Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:20 pm.

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Re: [note] hathkar artilljerist

Postby grinkgo » Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:41 pm #570724

artilljeristus wrote:I See. So it was you, my apologize.
I respect your point, but common sense tells that it's too much to set a note for, uhm, NAME.


It's standard procedure to note players in any ahelp. These notes aren't inherently negative, it just helps us keep track of incident history. Our administrative approach to punishments/bans is holistic and is not dependent on a note threshold. In other words, just because you have X amount of notes, that doesn't mean we're gonna ban you. We use notes to contextualize patterns of behavior in order to make judgments.

As hathkar mentioned, the note contains the gist of everything you discussed in the admin sit, which is its intended purpose and does not necessarily reflect poorly on you. As such, the note will not be removed.

Thank you for your feedback.


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