[complaint] Pette artilljerist

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[complaint] Pette artilljerist

Postby artilljeristus » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:19 pm #572768

BYOND account: artilljerist
Character name: Israel Moshel
Admin in question: Pette
Round ID in which ban was placed: 4727
Evidence: https://imgur.com/a/wab117h, need logs of shots and casulties
Your side of the story: Pette executed me and another marine while at the same time he shot at the shrike that was behind us. In total, he shot two allies in less than a minute. All this time, he was using a shotgun loaded with a flechette, being at a point blank. When I tried to find out what was the matter, he told me that it was he who did it, and that it is, I quote: "bad luck, the same happens every day, it happens to everyone every day, etc". I wanted to warn him with my experience that you should always aim at the leg, and not at the chest, so that this does not happen, but for some reason it seemed to him that I was starting to be rude to him. In the end he kicked me when I was far from the ship on the planet. If I'm not mistaken, before, when he was playing for the same character, he called me a fool or something like that. I need to double-check that I could have made a mistake, because Pette and some of the rest of marines are wearing yellow armor.



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Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist

Postby Dolth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:02 pm #572773

Hello.

In this spoiler, the first FF.
Spoiler:
[2020-08-18 16:38:57.240] ATTACK: Heffy117/(Mature Spitter (Rawr)) has slashed Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: 63.2) East Caves (145, 106, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:38:57.263] ATTACK: Heffy117/(Mature Spitter (Rawr)) has shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with [acid spatter] in East Caves (145, 106, 2) (NEWHP: 63.2) East Caves (145, 106, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:38:57.607] ATTACK: Pirao/(Andrew Johnes) has fired a grenade the �M40 FLDP grenade from the �T-70 grenade launcher (Wielded) [�T-70 grenade launcher (Wielded)] South East Caves (170, 81, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:38:58.738] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: 16.925) East Caves (146, 105, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:38:59.739] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: -2.62499) East Caves (147, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.060] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (149, 103, 2) (NEWHP: -24.475) East Caves (149, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.061] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with the additional flechette in East Caves (149, 103, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.065] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (149, 103, 2) (NEWHP: -24.475) East Caves (149, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.066] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with the additional flechette in East Caves (149, 103, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.069] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with [shotgun flechette shell] in East Caves (149, 103, 2) (NEWHP: -24.475) East Caves (149, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.070] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with the shotgun flechette shell in East Caves (149, 103, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.138] ATTACK: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) has seizes up and falls limp... Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: -156.275) East Caves (148, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:04.188] ATTACK: Heffy117/(Mature Spitter (Rawr)) has slashed Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) (NEWHP: 100) East Caves (152, 102, 2)

If you read these logs carefully you will actually realize that I did not "execute you with point blank", as you say.
But you might also realize you had two xenos slashing you, and one who was close enough to slash me right after you died.
Also, if I really wanted to just grief FF, I wouldn't had grabbed you and tried to pull you out of the fight. But since you ragequitted instantly, I didn't much insist.
[2020-08-18 16:39:25.880] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has grabbed *no key*/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: -156.275) East Caves (149, 102, 2)

Yes it was friendly fire, it's called an accident, and yes it happens really often on this server.


In this spoiler, the second FF.
Spoiler:
[2020-08-18 16:39:29.988] ATTACK: Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) has shot Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) with [submachinegun bullet] in East Caves (150, 101, 2) (NEWHP: 309.528) East Caves (150, 101, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:30.138] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 69.2) East Caves (150, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:31.139] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 55.025) East Caves (150, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:32.641] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 43.525) East Caves (146, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:33.040] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (151, 102, 2) (NEWHP: 297.064) East Caves (151, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:33.689] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 32.025) East Caves (146, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:35.439] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 17.85) East Caves (145, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:36.739] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 3.875) East Caves (145, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.175] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (147, 104, 2) (NEWHP: -7.625) East Caves (147, 104, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.176] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with the additional flechette in East Caves (147, 104, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.181] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (147, 104, 2) (NEWHP: -7.625) East Caves (147, 104, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.183] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with the additional flechette in East Caves (147, 104, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.186] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with [shotgun flechette shell] in East Caves (147, 104, 2) (NEWHP: -7.625) East Caves (147, 104, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.188] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with the shotgun flechette shell in East Caves (147, 104, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.740] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: -97.875) East Caves (146, 104, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.839] ATTACK: Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) has seizes up and falls limp... Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) (NEWHP: -109.375) East Caves (146, 104, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:39.341] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) with [shotgun flechette shell] in East Caves (146, 106, 2) (NEWHP: 260.342) East Caves (146, 106, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:39.344] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (146, 106, 2) (NEWHP: 260.342) East Caves (146, 106, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:39.346] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (146, 106, 2) (NEWHP: 260.342) East Caves (146, 106, 2)

In the logs above, you will realize there was one xeno who fucked up Kamal Ishtar whom I shot. Again, that's FF. And quite frankly that's just bad luck to hit marines like above but in every condition it's a single click FF, on a marine being assaulted by one or two xenos which are a few tiles away from me.


Now regarding the whole kick.
Yes, I have kicked you and to be quite honest I wanted to ban you for one to two hours so you could actually chill out but I was told not to by someone in the staff.

I don't know yet how to get PM logs so I'll refer to your screenshots only where it apparently doesn't bother you to insist on giving your own ruling to an admin.
You were literally yelling out of salt (despite of being revived afterward because I pulled you back) and even after being told it was an accident and that FF happens all the time, you kept on holding such an hostile attitude and giving me a trial for what I already told you was part of the game and normal.

I don't know why I am currently explaining how being so hostile despite being given an answer from an admin can result in a kick which is extremely light to my opinion according to your recent amount of notes (I am not even going to talk about the two days ban you just took).
But this is just sad.

The very only thing that I believe could be held against me would be to answer my own ahelp and I'll answer that this rule exist to avoid an obvious bias, and to my opinion it does not apply to a FF in combat situation since there is no room for debate.

Cheers.

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Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist

Postby artilljeristus » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:36 pm #572788

Dolth wrote:Hello.

In this spoiler, the first FF.
Spoiler:
[2020-08-18 16:38:57.240] ATTACK: Heffy117/(Mature Spitter (Rawr)) has slashed Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: 63.2) East Caves (145, 106, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:38:57.263] ATTACK: Heffy117/(Mature Spitter (Rawr)) has shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with [acid spatter] in East Caves (145, 106, 2) (NEWHP: 63.2) East Caves (145, 106, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:38:57.607] ATTACK: Pirao/(Andrew Johnes) has fired a grenade the �M40 FLDP grenade from the �T-70 grenade launcher (Wielded) [�T-70 grenade launcher (Wielded)] South East Caves (170, 81, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:38:58.738] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: 16.925) East Caves (146, 105, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:38:59.739] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: -2.62499) East Caves (147, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.060] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (149, 103, 2) (NEWHP: -24.475) East Caves (149, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.061] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with the additional flechette in East Caves (149, 103, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.065] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (149, 103, 2) (NEWHP: -24.475) East Caves (149, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.066] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with the additional flechette in East Caves (149, 103, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.069] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with [shotgun flechette shell] in East Caves (149, 103, 2) (NEWHP: -24.475) East Caves (149, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.070] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) with the shotgun flechette shell in East Caves (149, 103, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.138] ATTACK: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) has seizes up and falls limp... Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: -156.275) East Caves (148, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:04.188] ATTACK: Heffy117/(Mature Spitter (Rawr)) has slashed Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) (NEWHP: 100) East Caves (152, 102, 2)

If you read these logs carefully you will actually realize that I did not "execute you with point blank", as you say.
But you might also realize you had two xenos slashing you, and one who was close enough to slash me right after you died.
Also, if I really wanted to just grief FF, I wouldn't had grabbed you and tried to pull you out of the fight. But since you ragequitted instantly, I didn't much insist.
[2020-08-18 16:39:25.880] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has grabbed *no key*/(Israel Moshel) (NEWHP: -156.275) East Caves (149, 102, 2)

Yes it was friendly fire, it's called an accident, and yes it happens really often on this server.


In this spoiler, the second FF.
Spoiler:
[2020-08-18 16:39:29.988] ATTACK: Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) has shot Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) with [submachinegun bullet] in East Caves (150, 101, 2) (NEWHP: 309.528) East Caves (150, 101, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:30.138] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 69.2) East Caves (150, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:31.139] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 55.025) East Caves (150, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:32.641] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 43.525) East Caves (146, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:33.040] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (151, 102, 2) (NEWHP: 297.064) East Caves (151, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:33.689] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 32.025) East Caves (146, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:35.439] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 17.85) East Caves (145, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:36.739] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: 3.875) East Caves (145, 102, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.175] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (147, 104, 2) (NEWHP: -7.625) East Caves (147, 104, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.176] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with the additional flechette in East Caves (147, 104, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.181] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (147, 104, 2) (NEWHP: -7.625) East Caves (147, 104, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.183] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with the additional flechette in East Caves (147, 104, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.186] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with [shotgun flechette shell] in East Caves (147, 104, 2) (NEWHP: -7.625) East Caves (147, 104, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.188] FFATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) shot Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) with the shotgun flechette shell in East Caves (147, 104, 2).
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.740] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) while they were infected (NEWHP: -97.875) East Caves (146, 104, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:37.839] ATTACK: Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) has seizes up and falls limp... Tophat Spamcat/(Kamal Ishtar) (NEWHP: -109.375) East Caves (146, 104, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:39.341] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) with [shotgun flechette shell] in East Caves (146, 106, 2) (NEWHP: 260.342) East Caves (146, 106, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:39.344] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (146, 106, 2) (NEWHP: 260.342) East Caves (146, 106, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:39.346] ATTACK: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) has shot Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) with [additional flechette] in East Caves (146, 106, 2) (NEWHP: 260.342) East Caves (146, 106, 2)

In the logs above, you will realize there was one xeno who fucked up Kamal Ishtar whom I shot. Again, that's FF. And quite frankly that's just bad luck to hit marines like above but in every condition it's a single click FF, on a marine being assaulted by one or two xenos which are a few tiles away from me.


Now regarding the whole kick.
Yes, I have kicked you and to be quite honest I wanted to ban you for one to two hours so you could actually chill out but I was told not to by someone in the staff.

I don't know yet how to get PM logs so I'll refer to your screenshots only where it apparently doesn't bother you to insist on giving your own ruling to an admin.
You were literally yelling out of salt (despite of being revived afterward because I pulled you back) and even after being told it was an accident and that FF happens all the time, you kept on holding such an hostile attitude and giving me a trial for what I already told you was part of the game and normal.

I don't know why I am currently explaining how being so hostile despite being given an answer from an admin can result in a kick which is extremely light to my opinion according to your recent amount of notes (I am not even going to talk about the two days ban you just took).
But this is just sad.

The very only thing that I believe could be held against me would be to answer my own ahelp and I'll answer that this rule exist to avoid an obvious bias, and to my opinion it does not apply to a FF in combat situation since there is no room for debate.

Cheers.


I'm not big into introductions, but let's talk on the point.
You just shot two marines, and this happens for a reason. Such cases occur only through someone's fault, and in my memory the shooters were to blame for this, because no one dies instantly from FF twice in a minute. The point here is not at all that I was somehow aggressive, toxic, or hostile towards you, this is a mistake, I briefly explained to you what should be done to prevent this from happening again and I wasn't even rough to you specifically, but simply stated a facts. You could have avoided losses by aiming at the foot, because your shotgun has lethal damage to people, at the highest point on the point blank distance. That we were subsequently reanimated a second before no-return point doesn't change anything.
You knew what risk you were taking when opening fire, and here the point is not that I went to personal insults or somehow salty to you, but that you killed two marines and considered the usual advice for rudeness and the second time you almost killed Moshel by kicking me from the server. Isn't that enough for you to understand, that this is at least unethical?
Notes problem has a separate topic of conversation, it's not the 1st problem here.

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Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist

Postby Dolth » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:44 pm #572794

artilljeristus wrote:I'm not big into introductions, but let's talk on the point.
You just shot two marines, and this happens for a reason. Such cases occur only through someone's fault, and in my memory the shooters were to blame for this, because no one dies instantly from FF twice in a minute.


Yes, and I answered to you the reason being is an accident since, as proved above, you had two xenos next to you, slashing at you, including one being at claw range to me.
Yes, people die from a single T35 BC/VG shotgun hit at close range, especially when they are already heavily wounded which was both of your situations. What are you even insiniuating? I used an abnormal weapon? You were wounded.

[2020-08-18 16:38:59.739] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) [b][i](NEWHP: -2.62499)[/i][/b] East Caves (147, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.138] ATTACK: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) has seizes up and falls limp... Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) [b][i](NEWHP: -156.275)[/i][/b] East Caves (148, 103, 2)


artilljeristus wrote:The point here is not at all that I was somehow aggressive, toxic, or hostile towards you, this is a mistake, I briefly explained to you what should be done to prevent this from happening again and I wasn't even rough to you specifically, but simply stated a facts.


Logs from the whole convo.
Spoiler:
[2020-08-18 16:39:57.603] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #2: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): Dorghtar Folk is shooting marines point-blank with buckshot - heard by 2 non-AFK staff.
[2020-08-18 16:40:11.875] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk)->Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): Yeah that's me.
[2020-08-18 16:40:48.664] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): This is not OK
[2020-08-18 16:41:28.617] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): You've shot 2 dudes
[2020-08-18 16:41:38.256] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): Less than a minute
[2020-08-18 16:41:49.784] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk)->Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): Believe it or not, complete FF. That happens on a dily basis btw.
[2020-08-18 16:42:20.875] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): No one allows themselves to shot a bunch random dudes
[2020-08-18 16:42:32.040] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): No, this is not.
[2020-08-18 16:42:38.822] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk)->Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): Excuse you?
[2020-08-18 16:44:50.927] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): This is not fucking normal. You must shoot carefully, and at least aim at one of the legs, so as not to kill two random men using flechette in the chest, this is fucking instakill ammunition
[2020-08-18 16:45:10.962] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): I don’t understand at all how you allowed this to happen
[2020-08-18 16:46:47.235] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk)->Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): I'll say this only once, chill out and watch your tone. Friendly fire happen on a daily basis by everyone. It's part of the game and the three of us have been unlucky as fuck. Don't get mad over it, especially when you've been recovered.
[2020-08-18 16:48:44.907] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): This is not part of the game and and two deaths in 30 seconds never happened before. You didn’t aim at the leg, you knew in advance that you were shooting at a point blank distance, and still, knowing the characteristics of your weapon, you opened fire inaccurately. You are breaking the rules.
[2020-08-18 16:49:00.409] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): This is not the bad luck, this is your incompetence. Watch your fire
[2020-08-18 16:49:26.070] ADMINPRIVATE: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) kicked Artilljerist[DC]/(Israel Moshel).
[2020-08-18 16:51:30.129] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk)->Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): I told you to chill out and watch your tone, this is friendly fire and that happens sometimes, it's part of the game, and much worse happen. It was not on purposes.

Yes, it is an agressive attitude to tell an admin what he does is "not fucking normal", "it's not ok" every thirty seconds despite him explaining why it is. You're literally hammering me your salt and denying my explantation, casually sluring. I once for all warned you to chill out and tone down yet you insisted by giving me another lesson based on literally nothing factual then finally saying I am breaking a rule. There is no rule about being reckless and literally, for the fourth time, literally everyone does that, you've been unlucky, it didn't go well this time. Then you called incompetence, told me watch my fire.

Yes, that is an agressive attitude and to my standards, FAR FROM BEING ACCEPTABLE, you're the one having a huge amount of notes and bans for only a month on the server, the very least you could do is actually review the rules and not insist on giving your own judgement to an admin. Best case scenario if you disagree, you shouldn't give such an attitude but rather do a complaint before we come to that. Your kick was deserved, and you can thank someone from preventing me from banning you 1 to 2 hours to chill out, which I still believe you needed since you suicided as a larva afterward and got banned for it.


artilljeristus wrote:You could have avoided losses by aiming at the foot, because your shotgun has lethal damage to people, at the highest point on the point blank distance. That we were subsequently reanimated a second before no-return point doesn't change anything.


No, it literally changes nothing beside the possible organ damages, but the overall damage are the same, and the armor is the same if you wear jaeger. And even if it would it really has nothing to do with any rule or whatsoever. To be fair there is actually a chance of being delimbed if you get too much damage to limbs, so chest is still better.

artilljeristus wrote:You knew what risk you were taking when opening fire, and here the point is not that I went to personal insults or somehow salty to you, but that you killed two marines and considered the usual advice for rudeness and the second time you almost killed Moshel by kicking me from the server. Isn't that enough for you to understand, that this is at least unethical?
Notes problem has a separate topic of conversation, it's not the 1st problem here.


See, this is exactly what I am talking about. The point totally is that "you went to personal insults or somehow salty to me", the two dead marine is, I repeat once for all, an accident that happens on a daily basis. Death from FF is a part of the game, and your character almost got killed from the kick because you earnt it. And finally, beside the fact I am pretty curious to know what's the "first problem here" I had, I am pretty confused you wanna talk about another problem yet discredit your previous 18 problems.

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Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist

Postby artilljeristus » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:57 pm #572803

Dolth wrote:
artilljeristus wrote:I'm not big into introductions, but let's talk on the point.
You just shot two marines, and this happens for a reason. Such cases occur only through someone's fault, and in my memory the shooters were to blame for this, because no one dies instantly from FF twice in a minute.


Yes, and I answered to you the reason being is an accident since, as proved above, you had two xenos next to you, slashing at you, including one being at claw range to me.
Yes, people die from a single T35 BC/VG shotgun hit at close range, especially when they are already heavily wounded which was both of your situations. What are you even insiniuating? I used an abnormal weapon? You were wounded.

[2020-08-18 16:38:59.739] ATTACK: Android in crew/(Elder Shrike (Pounce)) has slashed Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) [b][i](NEWHP: -2.62499)[/i][/b] East Caves (147, 103, 2)
[2020-08-18 16:39:01.138] ATTACK: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) has seizes up and falls limp... Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel) [b][i](NEWHP: -156.275)[/i][/b] East Caves (148, 103, 2)


artilljeristus wrote:The point here is not at all that I was somehow aggressive, toxic, or hostile towards you, this is a mistake, I briefly explained to you what should be done to prevent this from happening again and I wasn't even rough to you specifically, but simply stated a facts.


Logs from the whole convo.
Spoiler:
[2020-08-18 16:39:57.603] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #2: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): Dorghtar Folk is shooting marines point-blank with buckshot - heard by 2 non-AFK staff.
[2020-08-18 16:40:11.875] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk)->Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): Yeah that's me.
[2020-08-18 16:40:48.664] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): This is not OK
[2020-08-18 16:41:28.617] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): You've shot 2 dudes
[2020-08-18 16:41:38.256] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): Less than a minute
[2020-08-18 16:41:49.784] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk)->Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): Believe it or not, complete FF. That happens on a dily basis btw.
[2020-08-18 16:42:20.875] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): No one allows themselves to shot a bunch random dudes
[2020-08-18 16:42:32.040] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): No, this is not.
[2020-08-18 16:42:38.822] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk)->Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): Excuse you?
[2020-08-18 16:44:50.927] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): This is not fucking normal. You must shoot carefully, and at least aim at one of the legs, so as not to kill two random men using flechette in the chest, this is fucking instakill ammunition
[2020-08-18 16:45:10.962] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): I don’t understand at all how you allowed this to happen
[2020-08-18 16:46:47.235] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk)->Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): I'll say this only once, chill out and watch your tone. Friendly fire happen on a daily basis by everyone. It's part of the game and the three of us have been unlucky as fuck. Don't get mad over it, especially when you've been recovered.
[2020-08-18 16:48:44.907] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): This is not part of the game and and two deaths in 30 seconds never happened before. You didn’t aim at the leg, you knew in advance that you were shooting at a point blank distance, and still, knowing the characteristics of your weapon, you opened fire inaccurately. You are breaking the rules.
[2020-08-18 16:49:00.409] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel)->Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk): This is not the bad luck, this is your incompetence. Watch your fire
[2020-08-18 16:49:26.070] ADMINPRIVATE: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) kicked Artilljerist[DC]/(Israel Moshel).
[2020-08-18 16:51:30.129] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk)->Artilljerist/(Israel Moshel): I told you to chill out and watch your tone, this is friendly fire and that happens sometimes, it's part of the game, and much worse happen. It was not on purposes.

Yes, it is an agressive attitude to tell an admin what he does is "not fucking normal", "it's not ok" every thirty seconds despite him explaining why it is. You're literally hammering me your salt and denying my explantation, casually sluring. I once for all warned you to chill out and tone down yet you insisted by giving me another lesson based on literally nothing factual then finally saying I am breaking a rule. There is no rule about being reckless and literally, for the fourth time, literally everyone does that, you've been unlucky, it didn't go well this time. Then you called incompetence, told me watch my fire.

Yes, that is an agressive attitude and to my standards, FAR FROM BEING ACCEPTABLE, you're the one having a huge amount of notes and bans for only a month on the server, the very least you could do is actually review the rules and not insist on giving your own judgement to an admin. Best case scenario if you disagree, you shouldn't give such an attitude but rather do a complaint before we come to that. Your kick was deserved, and you can thank someone from preventing me from banning you 1 to 2 hours to chill out, which I still believe you needed since you suicided as a larva afterward and got banned for it.


artilljeristus wrote:You could have avoided losses by aiming at the foot, because your shotgun has lethal damage to people, at the highest point on the point blank distance. That we were subsequently reanimated a second before no-return point doesn't change anything.


No, it literally changes nothing beside the possible organ damages, but the overall damage are the same, and the armor is the same if you wear jaeger. And even if it would it really has nothing to do with any rule or whatsoever. To be fair there is actually a chance of being delimbed if you get too much damage to limbs, so chest is still better.

artilljeristus wrote:You knew what risk you were taking when opening fire, and here the point is not that I went to personal insults or somehow salty to you, but that you killed two marines and considered the usual advice for rudeness and the second time you almost killed Moshel by kicking me from the server. Isn't that enough for you to understand, that this is at least unethical?
Notes problem has a separate topic of conversation, it's not the 1st problem here.


See, this is exactly what I am talking about. The point totally is that "you went to personal insults or somehow salty to me", the two dead marine is, I repeat once for all, an accident that happens on a daily basis. Death from FF is a part of the game, and your character almost got killed from the kick because you earnt it. And finally, beside the fact I am pretty curious to know what's the "first problem here" I had, I am pretty confused you wanna talk about another problem yet discredit your previous 18 problems.


Perhaps you're right that shooting in the chest eliminates the risk of losing a limb, but I didn't checked that myself. However, if you were shooting exclusively at xenomorphs, our risks of being hidden somewhere on the edge of the map or being burned corpses in the lava were much less. The limbs are not a big problem, the autodoc will fix them easily. If I'm not mistaken, only the Shrike hurted me at that time.

I allowed rude words only in relation to things in order to quickly characterize their degree of quality, and in this particular case the word "fucking" could be understood as "extreme", something in a high meaning, there is no need to be a linguist here. There are not too much measuring devices of acceptability here when thing comes to the lethal FF of two people.

Deaths from FF are infrequent and malicious, the thing that you calling FF is constantly injuries, sometimes they're critical, but they don't result in death as often as today. You just shot two people, realizing all the risks, and pretended that this is how it always happens, because it's part of the game. It's terrifying. Basically this complaint still remains relevant in relation to the killing of two marines and a rude kick from the server, further decision is no longer within my competence.

The 18 problems you mentioned are not specifically a question of this topic.

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Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist

Postby Dolth » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:06 pm #572913

artilljeristus wrote:Perhaps you're right that shooting in the chest eliminates the risk of losing a limb, but I didn't checked that myself. However, if you were shooting exclusively at xenomorphs, our risks of being hidden somewhere on the edge of the map or being burned corpses in the lava were much less. The limbs are not a big problem, the autodoc will fix them easily. If I'm not mistaken, only the Shrike hurted me at that time.


No. Total damage is the same, regardless of the aimed limb, even if you're delimbed, and you will be pulled/burnt whether or not you are delimbed.
This is irrelevant.

artilljeristus wrote:I allowed rude words only in relation to things in order to quickly characterize their degree of quality, and in this particular case the word "fucking" could be understood as "extreme", something in a high meaning, there is no need to be a linguist here. There are not too much measuring devices of acceptability here when thing comes to the lethal FF of two people.


You're not in any position to "allow yourself rude words" with any players on this server, even less to the staff. I know 'fucking' means 'extreme', and again lethal FF happens (especially since both of you were low health as proven with logs), get on with it.

artilljeristus wrote:Deaths from FF are infrequent and malicious, the thing that you calling FF is constantly injuries, sometimes they're critical, but they don't result in death as often as today. You just shot two people, realizing all the risks, and pretended that this is how it always happens, because it's part of the game. It's terrifying. Basically this complaint still remains relevant in relation to the killing of two marines and a rude kick from the server, further decision is no longer within my competence.


I don't understand why you can't realize a BC T35 can kill people who are already damaged. That's just how the game is coded, you saw it yourself. It's a single click, I didn't repeatedly shot at you. It's bad luck, it happens, and some people get decapped sometimes they don't make a fuss about it.

artilljeristus wrote:The 18 problems you mentioned are not specifically a question of this topic.


You're the one mentionning "past problems with me".
Mentionning your 18 problems is just a taste of your own medicine.
I still believe you were extremely mad at just being killed from FF which I understand (proved by the ragequit, proved by the absence of ckey in the logs. But the whole attitude? Much less understandable.

Either way your responses are irrelevant to me so I will stop answering from now on unless you bring more arguments than "Aim somewhere else, FF isn't ok, I was rude but I allowed myself to it" or if a headmin asks me to.

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Re: [complaint] Pette artilljerist

Postby terranaut » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:10 pm #572915

This is a complete non-issue. You got killed as a complete accident, your body recovered. You bitch and moan and get kicked for it which doesn't leave a note nor inconvenience you really in another way. For everyone's sake I suggest you find better ways to spend your time.
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