[<Introverse>] - Exaggerated ban reason / log request

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xenosandboxthesecond
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[<Introverse>] - Exaggerated ban reason / log request

Post by xenosandboxthesecond » #597194

BYOND account: Xenosandbox the second
Character name: CSM-Mutius
Ban type: Server
Ban length: 7 days
Ban reason: Was on thin ice as captain they deployed to unload their mateba into someone's gut. Under no circumstances is anyone allowed to use lethal weapons on their own marines. needs to take a break and read the rules. Repeat offences will not be met with mercy.
Time ban was placed: 2021-04-03 19:26:47
Round ID in which ban was placed: 8181
Your side of the story: Well I was sent groundside by accident and marines hit / disarmed me for it, I shot 1 time to my knowledge at Tanya Longstreet whom I talked to after the fact. I just want a copy of the logs from that round to prove I only shot 1 time to defend myself.
Why you think you should be unbanned: Because the ban message itself is a cruel exaggeration of what really happened in game according to me and the person I shot.



Honestly I would accept just someone looking in the logs and showing for others to see I was not mag dumping friendlies.
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Re: [<Introverse>] - Exaggerated ban reason / log request

Post by Introverse » #597289

I did actually check the logs and even spoke with Tanya (who did not make the complaint to me, please don't hold this against them. It was a witness to this and they told me after you DC'd, so I had no idea that SpaceLove had spoken to you about this already) before making this decision while consulting with the Headmin who approved this, and suggested the ban length based on your notes history and the evidence I presented with the logs because I have no experience until now banning anyone.

The logs indicate you fired your mateba into Tanya once and I will include all relevant logs in the bottom, and Tanya's story lines up with the logs. Mag dump or not, you were not attacked until you fired, only disarm spammed which does no damage at all. Just also want to note that the round was #8180 by the way, not #8181. I completed the ban the following round because I only heard complaints at the end of the previous round.

Making an ahelp if you feel harassed is the proper way to deal with someone bothering you or threatening you, and shooting them is the worst thing you can do because now you've escalated things from a harmless annoyance to a lethal threat. It was not defense and it breaks rule #1 and escalation rules: https://tgstation13.org/wiki/TGMC:Rules#Escalation

There is no good reason to be shooting comrades intentionally, and if you are being griefed then admins can always break things up and punish the ones harassing you, but we have to know this first! When you take it into your own hands, break the rules, and escalate things beyond a minor annoyance I have to punish
you too. And when I only hear about this at the end of the round when someone tells me, "are you going to do anything about the captain who deployed to magdump a marine who was calling them out for making a shitty FOB?". I check the logs and see you shoot someone for disarm spamming you, and your victim's story matches that too and now you are disconnected so I cannot get your side. Also you may have gone down once by accident when this happened, but 20 minutes later into the round I saw you make a last stand at the FOB so was that an accident twice? The rules clearly state captains cannot leave the ship. Also want to say I had multiple complaints that the FOB was made by you to grief, but since I have no evidence of this I ignored it and did not note it either. You would be facing a much worse punishment if I had just taken all of the complaints I received and not investigated what happened and presented this to my superiors. What I wrote in the ban reason is based on facts, nothing was exaggerated.

What am I supposed to think when presented with all of this? I might have just left a warning about this if you had not had so many warnings prior to this, and the latest one being considered your final warning if you grief again which was only just issued almost 5 days ago. Warnings can only go so far and I don't think there will be many chances if any after this to stick to the rules, so please read and follow them. I am sorry I don't want to ban anyone and keep them from playing, but I can't just slap a warning on top of all the others you have gotten in the last 3ish months and say 'I did my job here' either. I hope you can understand my point of view.

I also want to reassure you this is only temporary, and this decision was an infinitely shorter alternative than what was suggested in your final warning, so I don't think this is cruel at all. You have gotten off pretty lightly all things considered. Which is what I mean by "Repeat offences will not be met with mercy." I can change the note to reflect the logs more accurately if you wish, however that does not mean an unban either. We want to welcome you back when your ban is over, so make please take some time to read the rules carefully. Especially rules 1, 3, 5.6, and escalation since you broke all of them.

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/TGMC:Rules

[2021-04-03 18:25:45.695] ATTACK: (Tommy Heyward) has attacked [Cargo Container] with [M-22 bayonet] Space Port (36, 199, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:25:51.762] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has missed a disarm (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (38, 190, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:25:52.267] ATTACK: (Wulff Seiden) has thrown (Shane Baker) from tile at 43, 182, 2 in area Space Port with the target tile at 44, 187, 2 in area Space Port (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (43, 182, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:25:52.610] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has disarmed (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (38, 190, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:25:54.021] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has pushed (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (38, 190, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:25:55.184] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has missed a disarm (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (39, 190, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:25:56.554] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has pushed (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (40, 191, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:25:57.488] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has pushed (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (40, 191, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:25:58.230] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has disarmed (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (40, 191, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:25:59.050] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has missed a disarm CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (40, 191, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:25:59.781] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has missed a disarm (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (40, 191, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:26:00.049] ATTACK: (Shane Baker) has pushed (Domingo Elliot) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (44, 185, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:26:00.488] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has disarmed (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (40, 191, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:26:01.183] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has disarmed (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (40, 191, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:26:01.881] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has disarmed CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (40, 191, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:26:02.606] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has disarmed(CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (40, 191, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:26:03.478] ATTACK: (Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) has missed a disarm /(CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (40, 191, 2)

Nothing but harmless disarms from one marine not many, this is not worthy of shooting a comrade nor is it "self defense". Make an ahelp next time before you lose your cool, or unfortunately there might not be a next time.

[2021-04-03 18:26:04.097] ATTACK: (CS-M Mutius) has shot /(Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) with [high-impact revolver bullet] in Space Port (39, 191, 2) (NEWHP: 100) Space Port (39, 191, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:26:04.098] FFATTACK: (CS-M Mutius) shot /(Tanya 'Urist' Longstreet) with the high-impact revolver bullet in Space Port (39, 191, 2).


Then someone actually hit you, this likely would have not happened had you not shot Tanya. I would have spoken with them as well if an ahelp was made at that time because they had disconnected by the time I heard about this too.

[2021-04-03 18:26:07.514] ATTACK: (Domingo Elliot) has punched (CS-M Mutius) with (RAW DMG: 6)[DC] (NEWHP: 94.3) Space Port (38, 190, 2)

Here is you back on the ship 10 minutes later:

[2021-04-03 18:33:32.037] ATTACK: (CS-M Mutius) has attacked [rocket pod] with [�RPL-Y Cargo Loader Hydraulic Claw] Hangar (133, 192, 3)

And 10 minutes later on what seems to be your second deployment where you died and could not perform captain duties like red alert and calling for ERT:

[2021-04-03 18:45:09.956] ATTACK: Elder Empress (SA-X)) has shot CS-M Mutius) with [acid spatter] in Dropship Alamo (31, 195, 2) (NEWHP: -71) Dropship Alamo (31, 195, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:45:09.963] ATTACK: Elder Empress (SA-X)) has slashed (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: -71) Dropship Alamo (31, 195, 2)
[2021-04-03 18:45:09.964] ATTACK: (CS-M Mutius) has seizes up and falls limp... (CS-M Mutius) (NEWHP: -128.95) Dropship Alamo (30, 195, 2)
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Re: [<Introverse>] - Exaggerated ban reason / log request

Post by xenosandboxthesecond » #597304

Thanks for the info and clearing all this up for me, I can see it was pretty valid to ban me and you did a pretty great job of finding the logs and such I was looking for.

Im satisfied with sitting out my ban and you can close this.

Edit: I'll also be reading over the rules better since to be honest its been awhile since I checked em out.
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Re: [<Introverse>] - Exaggerated ban reason / log request

Post by Lewdcifer » #597426

Resolving this thread, then.
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