[ban] [Zach24] <Qfmysteryman23>

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[ban] [Zach24] <Qfmysteryman23>

Post by qfmysteryman23 » #607177

BYOND account: Qfmysteryman23
Character name: Ungatron
Ban type: server
Ban length: perm
Ban reason: You have it in your data base
Time of ban: 05:09:44
Date: 7/14/2021

My side of story: Zach24 and me have a history of beef with each other since before he was an admin, and this is an obvious attempt at him abusing his powers just to get rid of someone he does not like. I never argued for making the N word acceptable on the server, I was saying that /tg/'s old policy regarding the usage of slurs was very stupid as it just allowed admins to play favoritism when it came to someone saying a slur.
for example: if a player says the N word while a admin is online, the admin can choose to ban them based on their own discretion, thus ultimately and inevitably allowing an admin to just allow the use of slurs unless someone they dislike uses the word, then they can use rule 0 to justify a ban. I was not arguing for the N word to be allowed, and I have never been for the usage of allowing the N word to be said on the server.

Zach24 is either very dull and took my words out of context, or he is flat out lying/purposefully misinterpreting my words. in the ban note he says that I was "Specifically asking to say the N word," which is so fucking far from the truth its not even funny. Zach24 himself said to me after I said that the rule was stupid(because of the favoritism part), "We also have that rule." I then replied to him saying, "its ok to say the N word then?". I said this sarcastically and as a joke because I knew he had misunderstood what I was trying to say. I would have clarified my intent more, but he instantly said something like "yeah thats a ban", And I shall remind you all this happened in ooc, he did not bwoink me at all and ask for further clarification. He also said in my ban note, "he went on to say, the "R" word was never banned," which is true... the word Retard has never been a bannable word on the server, in all of my time on tgmc, I have never seen a person get bwoinked or banned for saying "Retard", and I have also never been bwoinked or warned for saying the word "retard". I also cant find a rule a single rule that says I cant say it, unless it falls under rule 2, and then I guess that makes sense but its quite odd that it only applies to me and is only used coincidentally by an admin that has disliked me for a while now. very odd hmm...

Why I should be unbanned:
I broke no rules, there is no rule saying I cant talk about the policies of tg, and why I dont agree with them. I never once advocated for the usage of the N word, nor did I say the N word. This was a blatant abuse of power, and I would like to see Zach24 immediately demoted as he has done shit like this in the past as well. Like giving me a note because I did the whip and Nae nae. Thank you, and I cant wait to see you all try to justify Zach24s behavior by bringing up my bans from other servers
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Re: [ban] [Zach24] <Qfmysteryman23>

Post by Zack24 » #607195

Looking at the logs I have made a critical error, i did not get to see your first 4 sentences in OOC, I also assumed that rule 0 is the no bigotry rule (Maybe it was in old tg) And said we have the same rules, instead rule 1 in our server is.
"Don't be a dick. We're all here to have a good time. Harassment, hate speech and bigotry are not allowed here. We'd like our server free of racism, homophobia and sexism as much as possible, both IC and OOC. Going out of your way to negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules. See escalation for specifics."
Spoiler:
[2021-07-15 04:51:50.119] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "Remember when tg station allowed people to say the N word as long as it was in a "Discriminatory" way" Dropship Alamo (137, 66, 3)
[2021-07-15 04:51:54.112] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "oh what fun times" Dropship Alamo (137, 66, 3)
[2021-07-15 04:52:33.660] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "uh oh" Dropship Alamo
[2021-07-15 04:52:36.930] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "he said the gamer word" Dropship Alamo (194, 135, 4)
[2021-07-15 04:53:38.266] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "but no, the tg rule was retarded as it gave a law 0 to the N word " Alamo Landing Zone (169, 164, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:53:41.049] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "rule 0" Alamo Landing Zone (169, 164, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:53:43.805] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "I mean" Alamo Landing Zone (169, 164, 2)

[2021-07-15 04:54:00.151] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "we have that too" Landing Zone 1 (164, 166, 2)

[2021-07-15 04:54:01.933] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "what the fuck?" Landing Zone 1 (164, 166, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:54:15.154] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "We can say the N word?" Landing Zone 1 (167, 163, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:54:20.766] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "holy fuck" Landing Zone 1 (164, 166, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:54:25.189] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "are you serious right now" Landing Zone 1 (164, 166, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:54:42.072] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "Rule 0 is retarded" Landing Zone 1 (170, 151, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:04.342] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "qf" Landing Zone 1 (166, 156, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:07.539] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "i'll tell you this once" Landing Zone 1 (166, 156, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:29.853] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "You know i'm right" Landing Zone 1 (166, 176, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:32.166] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "be a normal human being and have some sensitivity" Landing Zone 1 (159, 161, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:34.482] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "oh my god" Landing Zone 1 (159, 161, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:35.577] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "whatever" Landing Zone 1 (159, 161, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:49.434] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "I'm unironically just gonna ban you for this. You've gone on for too long" Landing Zone 1 (159, 161, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:52.196] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "I dont care if the N word is banned, like im fine with it being banned" Landing Zone 1 (162, 165, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:56:01.305] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "what did I do?" Landing Zone 1 (166, 170, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:56:05.024] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "I literally did nothing" Landing Zone 1 (166, 170, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:56:34.098] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "What you gonna ban me for?" Landing Zone 1 (166, 176, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:56:35.486] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "tell me" Landing Zone 1 (166, 176, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:56:50.552] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "since when is that a bannable word?" Landing Zone 1 (166, 177, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:57:17.583] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "the "R" word has never been bannable" Landing Zone 1 (166, 177, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:57:44.965] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "Zack24 what are you banning me for?" Landing Zone 1 (166, 177, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:57:53.853] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "respond" Landing Zone 1 (166, 175, 2)
In my perspective I saw it this way.
Spoiler:
[2021-07-15 04:53:38.266] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "but no, the tg rule was retarded as it gave a law 0 to the N word " Alamo Landing Zone (169, 164, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:53:41.049] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "rule 0" Alamo Landing Zone (169, 164, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:53:43.805] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "I mean" Alamo Landing Zone (169, 164, 2)

[2021-07-15 04:54:00.151] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "we have that too" Landing Zone 1 (164, 166, 2)

[2021-07-15 04:54:01.933] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "what the fuck?" Landing Zone 1 (164, 166, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:54:15.154] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "We can say the N word?" Landing Zone 1 (167, 163, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:54:20.766] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "holy fuck" Landing Zone 1 (164, 166, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:54:25.189] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "are you serious right now" Landing Zone 1 (164, 166, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:54:42.072] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "Rule 0 is retarded" Landing Zone 1 (170, 151, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:04.342] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "qf" Landing Zone 1 (166, 156, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:07.539] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "i'll tell you this once" Landing Zone 1 (166, 156, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:29.853] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "You know i'm right" Landing Zone 1 (166, 176, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:32.166] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "be a normal human being and have some sensitivity" Landing Zone 1 (159, 161, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:34.482] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "oh my god" Landing Zone 1 (159, 161, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:35.577] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "whatever" Landing Zone 1 (159, 161, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:49.434] OOC: zack24/(Nial Iwakura) "I'm unironically just gonna ban you for this. You've gone on for too long" Landing Zone 1 (159, 161, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:55:52.196] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "I dont care if the N word is banned, like im fine with it being banned" Landing Zone 1 (162, 165, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:56:01.305] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "what did I do?" Landing Zone 1 (166, 170, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:56:05.024] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "I literally did nothing" Landing Zone 1 (166, 170, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:56:34.098] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "What you gonna ban me for?" Landing Zone 1 (166, 176, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:56:35.486] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "tell me" Landing Zone 1 (166, 176, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:56:50.552] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "since when is that a bannable word?" Landing Zone 1 (166, 177, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:57:17.583] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "the "R" word has never been bannable" Landing Zone 1 (166, 177, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:57:44.965] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "Zack24 what are you banning me for?" Landing Zone 1 (166, 177, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:57:53.853] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "respond" Landing Zone 1 (166, 175, 2)
Link to logs https://tgstation13.org/raw-logs-tgmc/t ... 5/game.log

So basically in my perspective it looked to me you were completely arguring that the no bigotry rule was terrible, and the fact at the tail end of the OOC you said
[2021-07-15 04:56:50.552] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "since when is that a bannable word?" Landing Zone 1 (166, 177, 2)
[2021-07-15 04:57:17.583] OOC: Qfmysteryman23/(UNGATRON) "the "R" word has never been bannable" Landing Zone 1 (166, 177, 2)
I was considering to do it as a note, but lewd said i was free to make it a ban but they weren't aware of what exactly you said, it was my fault for not seeing the earlier sentences, but you can tell at the mention that the headmin allowed a ban says a lot about your history, it may seem like I'm targeting you, but it's hard that i mostly host everyday, it's almost impossible to not meet up with me considering we seem to play in the same timezone. Added on the fact before i was an admin, when you got banned in the past for a xeno nickname by hathkar, I've told you having a name obama as a xeno isn't really something you should defend yourself for doesn't mean I'll chase you to the ends of the earth, that's the only recollection I had of you. So it's weird that you're bringing that up all the way to the notes I gave you for lrp emoting, as that was almost half a year ago or more.

Even though it was a mistake, you have to understand that, considering how easy I got permission to ban you so easily, is not because of my own accord, its because of your current history & notes, so even though it sounds like a dick move, I'll have to warn you that you're still on thin ice, just like this ban never happened I'm not doing this to spite you, and I'm clarifying that none of my personal thoughts are in my behavior for my administrative decisions related to you as a player. I'll be lifting the ban, and sorry for jumping the gun.
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Re: [ban] [Zach24] <Qfmysteryman23>

Post by Fishimun » #607229

This is rule 0 on tgstation
Tgstation Wiki wrote:0.Enforcement of these rules is at the discretion of admins.
Admins are fully accountable for any consequences should they invoke this rule. Admins are also allowed to intervene in rounds when it is in the best interest of the playerbase.
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