[Jroinc1]- Administrator Application

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[Jroinc1]- Administrator Application

Postby JPR » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:52 am #475947

Current ckey and any previous ckeys:Jroinc1

Character name(s):Angelo Pearsall, Gratian Brandenburg, Lurker in Darkness

Timezone: Eastern Standard

Discord tag:JPR

Any previous experience administrating? Where and in what manner: CM mentor, couple months. Current TGMC mentor.

How familiar are you with our ruleset: Marginally. I won't quote rules at you, but I know where to find them, and I know the general spirit we're aiming for.

How long have you been playing TGMC and other servers in general: 5 years? 6? Started on LLA, shifted to CM, then to TGMC.

Have you been banned from any SS13 servers within the past 6 months? If so, what server, and for what reason: Nope.

Have you ever recieved a permanent ban from a server? If so, what server, and for what reason: Pretty sure that's a nope.

Why do you want to become an administrator: I like helping people. I can do that as a mentor, but I think I could do a better job as a full admin.

Please fill out the following example scenarios, put your answer on a separate line from the question:

Spoiler:
1. A player shoots another player near the start of the round, but the MPs have already detained and brigged him.

Has anyone ahelped, died, or sought revenge?
If not, IC issue.

If it was ahelped, investigate. Honestly, it should be really easy to tell if grief, my quick criteria is was there more than ONE shot or burst?
If I think it's grief, talk to the player who did it, and find out why. Note, then ban ONLY if second offense, or if he doesn't understand what he did wrong. Oh, and aheal the hurt guy.
If NOT... SM the MP that it was probably an accident, and to be lenient if possible, then leave it in their capable hands.

If someone died, and they aren't being helped, SM a medic to investigate a general area. This is assuming it's shipside before first drop, where I can revive someone without altering the round TOO much.

If someone sought revenge, and I handled the situation, I'd let the revenge-er know that the situation was handled, with either a ban, or an accident, and try to explain my reasoning. Then wait. If something happens, deal with it as the situation develops.


2. You see a player walking around the ship without any clothes on, looking pretty lost.

POUNCE ON HIM LIKE THE HUNT... I mean MENTOR I AM INSIDE. I will literally spend the entire round aghosted guiding a new player through his first round. It's the best part of being staff to me.

3. A player is getting aggressive in adminhelps and requesting to speak to a higher ranking staff member.

Okay? Assuming this is for a ban issue (why else would it be...), no. You don't get to adminshop here.
If not a ban issue, and he doesn't have a habit of this with me, then sure, go talk to him. Unmark the ahelp, and let someone else grab it.

4. You notice a player with a name that doesn't fit our naming rules. The player is arguing that they've used the name for several years across multiple servers and no one has told them to change it before.

We have REALLY lax naming rules. If he's breaking them, he knows he fucked up. Check his notes to see if there's one about the name. if so, explain, then 1-15 min ban to get the point across. If no note, explain to him what's wrong with it, and that for THIS round he can't use it, but he's welcome to ask the loremas… wait, that's me... shit. Ask another headstaff for an exception. Change his name to whatever he'd like, then add a note about the name. Remove it later if he changes it.



5. You see an MT running around in armor and carrying a rifle. The security level is green with no threat present.

Why do I care? This is fine.

6. The round is stagnating. There are 14 marines and 4 aliens. The marines won't leave the ship, and the aliens won't attack. What would you do, to "encourage" the sides to engage each other?

ERT. A random ERT always spices things up. Command reports and Queen Mother reports don't do shit in my opinion. Ungas still hide, and ayys still wait at the DS. A random ERT's fairer to both sides.

7. A marine is running around disarming other marines and stealing their gear near the beginning of the round.

Why do I care? We aren't... another random server here.

8. A marine has killed another marine. When you ask him why, he said it was because the other marine had punched him or said something rude towards him.

Escalation rules. Look into the scenario. If it's as described, check notes. If no notes similar to that, then explain rules, link rules, and ask a simple question about them to check that they read them. If they don't answer, or get it badly wrong, ban for 1 min so they actually read the rules, but TP their body somewhere safe, and make sure they're good when they come back. Add a note. If they HAD a note about this before, ban them for... hmm. Probably 1 hour, so just 1 test round.

9. There are minor racist comments going on IC. 9 of the 10 people are laughing and roleplaying but one player gets offended and adminhelps about it.

Too bad? It's allowed. Let him know it is allowed as freedom of speech, but additionally, PM the person who's doing it, and let him know someone was upset, but that he's not breaking any rules.

10. A marine opens fire at several marines during briefing killing multiple people and logs off before you can message him.

PERMABAN. There's honestly no investigation needed. You got to fire multiple bursts to kill people, and you don't do that by accident. If he claims it was an accident, then he can explain it on the forums. Also, aheal all afflicted.

11. You see a larva die near the frontlines. Upon further investigation, you see that they bursted in a safe place far away.

Combat larva's not disallowed. I'd put a note stating that this happened, and keep an eye out for that ckey dying again in the same circumstances in the future. If it happens multiple times, alienban.

12. You see a xeno excessively saying phrases like "Ayyylmao", "Reeeee" and similar in the hivemind chat.

Glory in our freedom of speech.

13. A command staff player mentions during briefing that there might be xenos on the planet.

FINALLY! We aren't forced to be STUPID! SM him that he feels smart for actually reading his orders.

14. A marine kills another marine on the Evac Pod to take the last spot, but has roleplayed the situation quite well.

IC issue, UNLESS there's an ahelp. Also, all our evac pods leave empty so... yeah.

15. You see an SSD Squad Leader in the preparation room 1 hour into the round. When you check the logs, you notice he logged off near the beginning of the round.

Shit happens IRL. Check for notes, if none about similar issues, leave it be. Don't note, as he's just a SL. SM someone to drag him to cryo.

16. You see a member of the staff give wrong information in an adminhelp.

Correct him immediately if I know the answer for certain. If not certain, tell him what I know, and work with other staff, as some of our stuff's pretty new when tested. Wrong info's usually not that time-critical, though.

17. You see a member of the staff abusing his powers in-game or otherwise breaking the administrator rules.

Ask him to stop? We all have missteps sometimes. If he DOESN'T stop and fix it, that's what we have leads for. Report info, and ask for judgement.

18. You see a player bashing another server or player in OOC.

Ask them politely to stop. C... I mean, random other server isn't our enemy, and they sooner we all realize that the better it'll be. RANDOM OTHER SERVER's already stepping up their game from us having better features then them, and this is a good thing.

19. A player ahelps saying that they were instantly killed by another member of their squad. When you ask their squad member who shot them, they said that it was accidental friendly fire.

Oh boy. Check attack logs. If they hit an ayy within 5 seconds, it was FF. If they didn't, check to see how many times the target was hit. If more than a burst/ single unlucky shot, then it was probably grief. PM the guy if I think it's grief telling him what happened, and asking him what he was doing. If I get a coherent, reasonable explanation, then accept it. If I don't get one, note the guy, remind him that ungas are on the same team, and leave it. If he had a note already, 1 hr ban.

Any additional information you want to provide:
I'm active on the discord, not so much on the forums. And just for funsies, https://cm-ss13.com/old/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=10861



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Re: [Jroinc1]- Administrator Application

Postby JPR » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:38 am #475963

LaKiller8 wrote:Hello thank you for showing interest and applying! Let me ask you some additional questions.

JPR wrote:7. A marine is running around disarming other marines and stealing their gear near the beginning of the round.

Why do I care? We aren't... another random server here.

What if it's a PFC stealing:
- a medkit from a medic
- SL's ID card
- specialist's gear

How's he managing to strip this shit so fast?

-Medkit
It's a reasonably easily obtainable resource, just ask Medbay. Maybe PM the guy and ask him to please give it back if the other guy's real upset. Maybe.
-SL's ID card
That's different. ID's are a hard to replace commodity. Watch the guy for like 5 min to see if it's a prank, then PM him saying that it was a good play, then ask him to give it back.
-specialist's gear
HAHAHA OH MY GOD YOU GOT A SPEC'S GUN! That's the greatest shit ever, I mean, they always have a magharness, and yeah. Same as ID card due to hard to replace commodity.

Jroinc1 wrote:9. There are minor racist comments going on IC. 9 of the 10 people are laughing and roleplaying but one player gets offended and adminhelps about it.

Too bad? It's allowed. Let him know it is allowed as freedom of speech, but additionally, PM the person who's doing it, and let him know someone was upset, but that he's not breaking any rules.

Have you seen our recently updated Rule 1?

You need to change rule 1 into something with more numbers, pls. I presume you mean the Don't be a Dick section. I'm going off of Rohesie's comment about not having a blanket ban on certain words and being slightly more tolerant, but to answer your question, yeah.


Jroinc1 wrote:12. You see a xeno excessively saying phrases like "Ayyylmao", "Reeeee" and similar in the hivemind chat.

Glory in our freedom of speech.

What if it's truly excessive?

Still an IC issue. I've never seen anything bad enough to warrant action. Now, if you're talking macro'ing REEEE in hivemind, then ask him to knock it off as he's actively spamming comms.

Jroinc1 wrote:15. You see an SSD Squad Leader in the preparation room 1 hour into the round. When you check the logs, you notice he logged off near the beginning of the round.

Shit happens IRL. Check for notes, if none about similar issues, leave it be. Don't note, as he's just a SL. SM someone to drag him to cryo.

What if it was a CO/XO?

Same thing, but add a note, as those ones are more important roles. Also, I would personally remove a note for going SSD if asked, as caring enough to ask about it kinda cancels out the SSD thing.

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Re: [Jroinc1]- Administrator Application

Postby JPR » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:46 am #475966

LaKiller8 wrote:What comments would you consider okay and what comments not okay, regarding Rule 1 and potential racism?

Uh.

Not really sure what you're looking for here, it's kind of a shitty "I know it when I see it" definition that I'd put to the adminswarm before doing shit.

If you want specifics, pretty much any racisim IC that's not directed at a real-life faction (e.g. lizards, moths) is OK, and all other comments may or may not be. Like everything, it depends on context.

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Re: [Jroinc1]- Administrator Application

Postby Rohesie » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:26 am #476016

Some answers here are good, but others are problematic. Let's start with the beginning:

JPR wrote:How familiar are you with our ruleset: Marginally. I won't quote rules at you, but I know where to find them, and I know the general spirit we're aiming for.


Unfortunately at some points here, this shows. My recommendation is that you actually stop to read them if you want to apply for admin. That should be basic, really. You can't enforce what you don't know. And if you start breaking them as staff? That'd be problematic.

For answer 9, I'd recommend you paid special attention to the full Rule 1 and its precedents.

There are a few other minor issues here, such as the way you'd handle punishment (which does not fit our administration philosophy much, we are about changing behavior instead of simply punishing), or what's perhaps a disagreement on the value of certain roles, but that is not really important and could be smoothed out on a trial.

Lastly, despite your answer in question 18 stating that CM isn't our enemy and whatnot, I don't get the feeling you share that thought much, and I'd really like to avoid our staff promoting a competitive or provocative mindset with other servers. This is something I'd ask of you to keep in check, because it's really easy to fall into and it breeds a negative atmosphere in the long run.

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Re: [Jroinc1]- Administrator Application

Postby JPR » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:26 am #476171

Rohesie wrote:Some answers here are good, but others are problematic. Let's start with the beginning:

JPR wrote:How familiar are you with our ruleset: Marginally. I won't quote rules at you, but I know where to find them, and I know the general spirit we're aiming for.


Unfortunately at some points here, this shows. My recommendation is that you actually stop to read them if you want to apply for admin. That should be basic, really. You can't enforce what you don't know. And if you start breaking them as staff? That'd be problematic.

For answer 9, I'd recommend you paid special attention to the full Rule 1 and its precedents.

There are a few other minor issues here, such as the way you'd handle punishment (which does not fit our administration philosophy much, we are about changing behavior instead of simply punishing), or what's perhaps a disagreement on the value of certain roles, but that is not really important and could be smoothed out on a trial.

Lastly, despite your answer in question 18 stating that CM isn't our enemy and whatnot, I don't get the feeling you share that thought much, and I'd really like to avoid our staff promoting a competitive or provocative mindset with other servers. This is something I'd ask of you to keep in check, because it's really easy to fall into and it breeds a negative atmosphere in the long run.


I can understand these, but I'd rather be honest than lie my ass off with something I didn't believe.

As for reading the rules, I have, but I still can't quote them at you. That said, I know where to find them, and can always reference them before doing anything.

For 9, I have read the entire rule, but I don't see a definite judgement on specific racism, and I feel like my answer to that was within the intended guidelines. If not, correct me later.

For punishment, yeah, I can see that. I tried to keep ban times as short as possible, and only for repeat offenses/blatant rulebreaks.

For CM not being our enemy, I honestly dislike them pretty heavily. I don't dislike the players, the staff, or the dev team, but I hate the way that the sever gradually gutted their gameplay down to the minimum TDM shooter level it's at now, and I think that we can change them.
They've already started watching us implement changes to make gameplay more fun and interactive, and they've started implementing their own versions once they see us try it and find out that it makes the game more immersive, and doesn't kill their RP.

Finally, if you think I'd be better as a mentor, by all means keep me there. The main reason I made this was because I was asked to, and I'm happy with either position.

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Re: [Jroinc1]- Administrator Application

Postby Rohesie » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:53 pm #476777

JPR wrote:9. There are minor racist comments going on IC. 9 of the 10 people are laughing and roleplaying but one player gets offended and adminhelps about it.

Too bad? It's allowed. Let him know it is allowed as freedom of speech, but additionally, PM the person who's doing it, and let him know someone was upset, but that he's not breaking any rules.


Rule in question:

1. Don't be a dick.
We're all here to have a good time. Harassment, hate speech and bigotry are not allowed here. We'd like our server free of racism, homophobia and sexism as much as possible, both IC and OOC. Going out of your way to negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules. See escalation for specifics.

Rule 1 Precedent.
4. "Hilariously edgy" content is not desirable here. Memes and jokes are not a valid way to bypass Rule 1. While we don't necessarily ban underage players that act maturely, we have no interest in immature ones, regardless of age. You may be asked to tone down or stop silly or unfitting behavior, either in IC or OOC.

JPR wrote:For 9, I have read the entire rule, but I don't see a definite judgement on specific racism, and I feel like my answer to that was within the intended guidelines. If not, correct me later.


Do you still feel the rule to be ambiguous or unclear on the subject?

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Re: [Jroinc1]- Administrator Application

Postby JPR » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:13 pm #476779

Rohesie wrote:
JPR wrote:9. There are minor racist comments going on IC. 9 of the 10 people are laughing and roleplaying but one player gets offended and adminhelps about it.

Too bad? It's allowed. Let him know it is allowed as freedom of speech, but additionally, PM the person who's doing it, and let him know someone was upset, but that he's not breaking any rules.


Rule in question:

1. Don't be a dick.
We're all here to have a good time. Harassment, hate speech and bigotry are not allowed here. We'd like our server free of racism, homophobia and sexism as much as possible, both IC and OOC. Going out of your way to negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules. See escalation for specifics.

Rule 1 Precedent.
4. "Hilariously edgy" content is not desirable here. Memes and jokes are not a valid way to bypass Rule 1. While we don't necessarily ban underage players that act maturely, we have no interest in immature ones, regardless of age. You may be asked to tone down or stop silly or unfitting behavior, either in IC or OOC.

JPR wrote:For 9, I have read the entire rule, but I don't see a definite judgement on specific racism, and I feel like my answer to that was within the intended guidelines. If not, correct me later.


Do you still feel the rule to be ambiguous or unclear on the subject?



No, however I assumed that the minor comments listed were, well, minor.

EDIT- to clarify, we have a particular player who calls everything and everyone nibba. And no one has an issue with it. That's what I thought you meant.


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