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Also apparently you were supposed to have been IP banned from the forums four days ago, so you might want to talk to someone about that. I know you like to toggle your phone to get a new IP to dick around in IRC.

Saegrimr wrote:Also apparently you were supposed to have been IP banned from the forums four days ago, so you might want to talk to someone about that. I know you like to toggle your phone to get a new IP to dick around in IRC.

i was ip banned? doesn't seem like it here, still works
mind pming me the ips that were banned on steam? he probs didn't account for the IP block, just the IPs i've logged into the forums on
still, banning someone from irc and the forums for daring to talk about remie in any sort of bad light is a very very bad thing, bordering on censorship actually

I'll send it via forum PM if that works.

You shame you fellow Australians punnches.

I don't think I've ever disagreed with anything Saegrimr 's ever done except for spelling his account name like that.

The people he bans seem to get upset when he acts glib towards them instead of prostrating himself before them and throwing himself on their good graces, which is points in his favour frankly!

His amazing patience in his own ban appeal threads is astonishing given how often this community will argue for 3 weeks over a dayban.

Very helpful with /vg/-tg things.

The model all banmongers should aspire to.

supresses my memes and got upset that I put niknak on ignore for some reason.

Its just tiring dealing with your memes while people are looking for help in supportbus.

Your forum avatar confuses me dearly

She's a perfectly normal earth rabbit, please understand.

He is usually there when no other admins are available, or is atleast, one of the first to, respond to ahelps relayed through IRC and come to bagil to swiftly and reliably deal with shitlers.

I am sure it is very appreciated by the bagil community, as it assists in keeping bagil clean of griefers. Saegrimr has, in my opinion, shown himself to be a little rough around the edges, but he is a diamond nonetheless.

Throw that compliment at Niknak, he started questioning them first while I was still looking at logs.

Refused to change his userpic to Momiji "wan wan in the streets awoo awoo in the sheets" despite a massive community outcry. This is the only bad thing he did that I am aware of.

Saeg please explain your actions.

I really wanted to fuck with that guy who said he actually liked the worst rabbit.

Saying that Tewi, not Reisen, is the worst rabbit, is fucking ridiculous.

Not as nice as other admins but still beneficial.

please dont ever run for headmin

Okay, now you HAVE to explain your new profile picture

tedward1337 wrote:Okay, now you HAVE to explain your new profile picture

What? You don't like pepsi?

Pepsi gives me diarrhea. Coca-cola on the other hand is good.

Thank you for sharing Ikky

this boy been on my ass for a while but generally likes keeping me out of trouble when he can, i can tell he doesn't really wanna ban anyone but will if he has too

it's less being lazy because most of it is just caring for the community but doesn't say it much regardless of me teasing him for a while cause of he has at least 3 bans on me

I actually have thought a long time about this and I thought about making a complaint at the time. Now that things have deescalated I think it is appropriate to say that you went through private information stored on the server to make a ad-hominen attack which is against what is expected of the admins. IE "Privacy is expected by the players. " I thought the whole thing was rather rude and reflected poorly on the forums as a whole. If you wish I can link the post but honestly it wasn't one of your finest moments.

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Admin_Conduct


Admins are supposed to be "moderators" and someone that the players can look up to, seek advice from, and enjoy tgstation 13 with. I do not think you are that type of person.

Your ckey isn't exactly "private information", and we do make note of all the different ckeys you (or anyone) have been under because people regularly try to make new ones thinking they can escape their old bad behavior, cultist-chan. You being a former trialmin should remember this.

That's no reason to tell the general public who someone is.

It's bad behaviour, people should have the right to move to a new ckey and not have it made known by the people who need to know the previous for administrative action.

People change and they should be allowed to abandon their past

If someone has truly changed they should try to make that clear to everyone rather than hide behind a different identity. Pap is doing that right now and it's mostly worked out for him.

Saegrimr wrote:Your ckey isn't exactly "private information", and we do make note of all the different ckeys you (or anyone) have been under because people regularly try to make new ones thinking they can escape their old bad behavior, cultist-chan. You being a former trialmin should remember this.

Privacy is expected by the players. I could believe a exception can be made IF there you are using that information for a constructive purpose but in your case it wasn't. It was to create drama, something I tried to avoid in 2015 when I made the ckey. I played normally and only started grumbling on the forums when I felt things were becoming too centralized.

I didn't make it to "escape bad behavior". Additionally it is private information you don't hand out on the server. You do not give out information to anyone asking "what is John Sweeps Ckey". I'm not just a former trialmin. I used to be a admin in 2012 I think check the logs. It doesn't matter. I made another ckey to avoid drama. Your behavior was unprofessional and to be honest shit. I don't go out of my way to post about your job at the /jp/ board on 4chan, nor do I post pictures of your age or terrible haircut, your ckey, IP or your cid. Even if I'm not a admin anymore I still would never do that, that's shitty and honestly something you should keep to yourself.

You purposfully used that information to incite drama. It had nothing to do with the topic at hand. You basically wrecked the thread, even Kor thought what you were doing was embarrassing.

You never even knew me yet you seemed to fixate that I applied and got denied trial-adminship after trying to ban a person who was latter banned a month latter for doing the same behavior over and over again. How about all the good work I did in 2012 when they didn't have enough admins late nights and the server felt like it was dying.



Check my ckey logs. You'll note that I've never been perma-banned for anything nor did I "excape bad behavior". Regardless I play as a different character, I've talked with people on here who I actually didn't like back in 2013, and now seem alright.

Can you HONESTLY say that you used information hidden from the public ( I.E. private information) to do something other than create drama?

If you cannot you were knowingly violating the Admin Code of conduct.

Zilenan91 wrote:If someone has truly changed they should try to make that clear to everyone rather than hide behind a different identity. Pap is doing that right now and it's mostly worked out for him.

I only made the new Ckey due to someone telling me I should to avoid drama. IRONY. Again I was never a bad player and I was never forum banned. At worst I was job banned by threadstrong in 2011??or early 2012??? for a week due to killing a syndicate with a harm baton when I thought I was just stunning him as a asimov borg.

If someone doesn't want you to reveal their ckey you probably shouldn't reveal their ckey, and if you do you definitely shouldn't dance around saying 'oh well it's not ~PRIVATE INFORMATION~ so I'm allowed'!

Poor form

Zilenan91 wrote:If someone has truly changed they should try to make that clear to everyone rather than hide behind a different identity. Pap is doing that right now and it's mostly worked out for him.

Reputation takes moments to erase and years to rebuild.

I'm feel very strongly on this point so I won't debate it too much to avoid making Saeg's thread a mess.

gettin` all deep up in here

If you're going to be a problem, then try to change names and continue to be a problem, don't expect us to treat you as some brand new asshole we've never dealt with before. Getting into some deathoof-tier "I'VE BEEN REBORN AS A NEW MAN" shit.

I suppose another round of therapy from the stresses of 2d spessmans is the only answer
#norighttobeforgotten

but seriously this is the exact opposite of avoiding drama. and I have no idea what possessed you to re-highlight your own history by re-igniting the argument in such a way as to ensure anyone who might remember your antics and also missed the big reveal, such as myself, is almost guaranteed to see it now. Whiny Mcsympathy rides again, You are your own worst enemy,

Falamazeer wrote:but seriously this is the exact opposite of avoiding drama. and I have no idea what possessed you to re-highlight your own history by re-igniting the argument in such a way as to ensure anyone who might remember your antics and also missed the big reveal, such as myself, is almost guaranteed to see it now. Whiny Mcsympathy rides again, You are your own worst enemy,

This, you really shot yourself in the foot on this one.

It's this same dramawhoring attitude of yours which is probably the root cause of why you felt the need to change ckeys in the first place, and here you are again drawing more attention to yourself on the fact of "I WAS TRYING TO BE SOMEONE ELSE, BUT THIS COMPLAINT MONTHS LATER REMINDING EVERYBODY IS YOUR FAULT".

Jesus christ if you actually had a privacy concern, wouldn't it be a better idea to PM another admin/headmin/MSO instead of turning yourself into a circus? This is why I don't believe a damn word you say. Also,

starmute wrote: You do not give out information to anyone asking "what is John Sweeps Ckey".

Yes, we do. The game would give this information out anyway if they were an antag, or through our PUBLIC LOGS THAT SHOW IT ALL.

Falamazeer wrote:I suppose another round of therapy from the stresses of 2d spessmans is the only answer
#norighttobeforgotten

but seriously this is the exact opposite of avoiding drama. and I have no idea what possessed you to re-highlight your own history by re-igniting the argument in such a way as to ensure anyone who might remember your antics and also missed the big reveal, such as myself, is almost guaranteed to see it now. Whiny Mcsympathy rides again, You are your own worst enemy,

I don't care about it anymore since apparently a shit admin will bring up that I used to play as someone else. I would love to hear what his major problem with that was aside from "you changed ckeys whaaaa". It would be like if bromethis, TLE, or any other admin decided to play as a player instead of a admin.

Yes, we do. The game would give this information out anyway if they were an antag, or through our PUBLIC LOGS THAT SHOW IT ALL.

I'll remember that next time someone asks to metagrudge players herp derp. Regardless it was private information. Nobody could have accessed it but a admin. Kinda like your stupid shit that is floating out there.


I don't even know why I'm talking to you at this point but I guess I'll address the core issue before ending our "debate".

Regardless in my opinion you are a really crappy admin. If you can't even sympathize with your players and be a moderator instead of using your power to throw ad hominem attacks then why are you here? You reopen old wounds and re-create drama because you don't agree with someone's opinion.

Thats my feedback.

I actually took time to sit back, and let this issue stew with me before posting on your feedback so I wouldn't be impassioned about it and I wouldn't attack you as a person. Even though I doubt you will appreciate that I hope others can look over this and try not to get angry at the person but at the issue.

The difference is i'm not pretending I cut all ties with a forum only to come back and act like a turbobaby under a new name like I had nothing to do with it.
You're entitled to your shitty opinions, just like I am to call you out for having them.
The real fucking joke here is how you try to pull up the high stool here with "muh ad hom attacks" when its convenient for you when you think people forget about how much of a turd you were.

Still the only admin to have ever backed off when they realised they were wrong in something.

Go into detail Bawop

I was working late and then had a ton of beer with my bud while walking the streets and then I had a dream I was playing ss13 and was pm'd by SoS he told me to go to this internet facility where there were clones of Saeg I went there via browser it looked like Ian Miller painted/drew it like that comic about that city where rats ruled over humans or like old Rogue Trader illustrations, anyway I had this claw like on those machines in malls where you have to pull out toys and shit and I had to pull out Saeg clones out of vats with the claw and had to drop them at the space station right on top of rule breakers so newly cloned Saegs could get the taste of blood and know who to ban in the future, who to go after, it was a kind of feverish dream that's not really filled with horror but has all the other marks of a nightmare and when you wake up you're not quite sure where you are and it seems more real than reality for a while so yeah just thought I should share

What

Jesus Christ Saeg why do you always get all the weird feedback

that avatar gets me every time.
someone comes in to my office, doesn't give a damn about the 4 monitors but immediately asks me why there's a cartoon girl pouring coke onto herself.


what is this, touhou?
https://puu.sh/qDGaD/d8e579b446.jpg

sagemirer is a great admin because he doesnt take shit i would vote him for headmin tbh

I think he's made mistakes in the past by being too rash but, he's not a bad guy.
However, I don't think it's a good thing to be publicly noted as not taking any shit from anyone, unless you like that sort of thing. Otherwise, enjoy your parent-like image?

being sarcastic and abrasive isn't 'not taking shit from anyone'
When you come across as a burnt out DMV clerk from moderating a 2d spessman game you got your own issues to deal with.

He's a bit harsh, and might not understand everyone, but arent we all like that




[flash=]Kinda like my mom[/flash]

Excellent conduct as admin.
Does what he says, says what he does.

I'd whip his ass in a turkish wrestling match.

oranges wrote:I'd whip his ass in a turkish wrestling match.

Cmon leatherboy lets see what you got.

Saegrimr wrote:

oranges wrote:I'd whip his ass in a turkish wrestling match.

Cmon leatherboy lets see what you got.

oil up fucker
you ain't got shit on turkish oil wrestling