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oranges wrote:that's not feedback it's just whining

>the moment oranges becomes mod

I'm so proud :')

HG has become pretty active lately. Most of the times I'm on I'll see him online. That was always a pretty big complaint about him before.

He's like a vampire, he won't show up unless he has an invitation to come inside by being a headmin.

I also can't imagine how he managed to land it again after the shitstorms he started that got him kicked out.

ShadowDimentio wrote:He's like a vampire, he won't show up unless he has an invitation to come inside by being a headmin.

I also can't imagine how he managed to land it again after the shitstorms he started that got him kicked out.

he was never kicked out

so far he's one of the few headmins to always complete his terms

HG is most likely the only admin who accepted the role of interim headmin simply due to him being the only one to volunteer for the position.

iamgoofball wrote: so far he's one of the few headmins to always complete his terms

*cough*

actually told me how to solve my UI problem in a way that was polite and didn't call me names!

also was online

was obviously absorbed by changeling lynch please

An0n3 wrote:

iamgoofball wrote: so far he's one of the few headmins to always complete his terms

*cough*

i have been lied to

HG will forever be grangran to me and nothing can make him less of an excellent decision maker when it comes to the hard choices regarding individual players and bans

hornygranny is gayboy supreme and a total pain in the ass but he's unbiased in being a complete no-fun-allowed admin. he's pretty ok when he isn't actively working to divide the community and amass power for himself. cheers m80

he can be good but as crag said above he really is super anal about any sort of fun happening but MOST of the time he's okay

just okay

RedMcCloud wrote:he can be good but as crag said above he really is super anal about any sort of fun happening but MOST of the time he's okay

just okay

This, my experience is he doesn't really actually listen to anything people say and unfortunately appears to dismiss players out of some kind of unwillingness to actually get into the situation he's part of. It's kind of a bummer and I wish in the future he'd actually spend more time assisting people rather than just looking for names to punish.

Removed space law because he felt like it without consulting anyone

Told nobody until people called him out on it

Banned the wiki maintainer who kept undoing it

Refuses to explain what the hell he's doing or undo it

Our new headmin ladies and gentlemen. If only someone could have seen such shitty behavior coming!

to be fair, you shouldn't edit war with a headmin

oranges is right about not starting an edit war.

However I do feel like, as seems to be fairly common with HG, there is a distinct lack of communication between, well anyone.

HG's communication skills are few and far between at best. However they do make tough choices and actually make shit happen. That said they also need to learn that just because they are in the driving seat of the community doesnt mean they get to smash the bus into any wall they feel like without at least asking everyone behind them if they mind.

The edit war is rude but considering HG was just wordlessly deleting the page I'd say it's pretty fair to undo it.

Makes a poll for a silicon policy-less weak, wildly unpopular, does it anyways. Test the next week for no secborgs, no poll, wildly unpopular. Make a post calling it out, gets deleted and thread is put in moderator-approval mode (for me at least). Might have been a little shitpost-y, but still a little over the top. He's completely out of touch with the playerbase, which is one of the worst things an admin can be in my opinion.

It wasn't wordlessly
He definitely told the admins in #adminbus and there weren't objections in there, at least when he first did it

>wildly unpopular
>only Luke and one other person vehemently against it

>Zil
>Talking about other people having bad opinions

My how the irony is lost on this one

But yeah what's with the bombardment of 'tests'?

duncathan wrote:It wasn't wordlessly
He definitely told the admins in #adminbus and there weren't objections in there, at least when he first did it

Who would dare object? Not to mention the circlejerk.

starmute wrote:

duncathan wrote:It wasn't wordlessly
He definitely told the admins in #adminbus and there weren't objections in there, at least when he first did it

Who would dare object? Not to mention the circlejerk.

Are you actually trying to imply that most of adminbus is sitting in there shaking in fear at the whip crack of grangran and don't dare speak out?

Shockingly, some of us do have differing opinions but mostly agree that just doing it and seeing how people react gets better results than arguing about it on the forums for three years before even trying it.

ShadowDimentio wrote:>Zil
>Talking about other people having bad opinions

My how the irony is lost on this one

But yeah what's with the bombardment of 'tests'?

I think I broke his mind when I made him run the AI removal test.

Saegrimr wrote:

starmute wrote:

duncathan wrote:It wasn't wordlessly
He definitely told the admins in #adminbus and there weren't objections in there, at least when he first did it

Who would dare object? Not to mention the circlejerk.

Are you actually trying to imply that most of adminbus is sitting in there shaking in fear at the whip crack of grangran and don't dare speak out?

Shockingly, some of us do have differing opinions but mostly agree that just doing it and seeing how people react gets better results than arguing about it on the forums for three years before even trying it.

So you're saying most of the admins agree that doing things without consulting anyone but each other who don't care is a healthy way to run changes?

Jesus christ the problem is worse than I thought

Feedback thread guys, not some circlejerk hate fuck of how the admins ruin everything and you could do it better.

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 59876#wrap

Luke Cox wrote: Your side of the story: I made two posts on the forum thread criticizing HG for running the test even though it was clearly unpopular and with no poll. May have been a bit rude, but I feel like my criticisms were valid. Posts were deleted with no reason given, and I was placed in moderator approval-mode with no explanation or timeframe given
Why you think you should be unbanned: I would understand getting a warning or reprimand, but putting somebody without a single reprimand or warning on the forums on indefinite moderator approval-only mode is completely over the top and

This should NOT ever be a issue. It is a conflict of interest in making a forum ban, and deleting criticisms of yourself shouldn't even be a thing. This is a actual what the fuck situation.

starmute wrote:https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 59876#wrap

Luke Cox wrote: Your side of the story: I made two posts on the forum thread criticizing HG for running the test even though it was clearly unpopular and with no poll. May have been a bit rude, but I feel like my criticisms were valid. Posts were deleted with no reason given, and I was placed in moderator approval-mode with no explanation or timeframe given
Why you think you should be unbanned: I would understand getting a warning or reprimand, but putting somebody without a single reprimand or warning on the forums on indefinite moderator approval-only mode is completely over the top and

This should NOT ever be a issue. It is a conflict of interest in making a forum ban, and deleting criticisms of yourself shouldn't even be a thing. This is a actual what the fuck situation.

He deleted your critical post in the appeal thread too.

Luke Cox wrote:

starmute wrote:https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 59876#wrap

Luke Cox wrote: Your side of the story: I made two posts on the forum thread criticizing HG for running the test even though it was clearly unpopular and with no poll. May have been a bit rude, but I feel like my criticisms were valid. Posts were deleted with no reason given, and I was placed in moderator approval-mode with no explanation or timeframe given
Why you think you should be unbanned: I would understand getting a warning or reprimand, but putting somebody without a single reprimand or warning on the forums on indefinite moderator approval-only mode is completely over the top and

This should NOT ever be a issue. It is a conflict of interest in making a forum ban, and deleting criticisms of yourself shouldn't even be a thing. This is a actual what the fuck situation.

He deleted your critical post in the appeal thread too.

I can't even post in the appeal thread anymore. It would be funny if it wasn't so Orwellian.

To be fair, the thread was locked because the appeal was resolved, but that does not excuse him deleting posts critical of him

Then why did you leave the other two posts untouched, but delete Starmute's critical post? They weren't involved in the incident either.

Also, you deleted your own admin complaint thraed: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=6114

Could you please elaborate further? You aren't listing any specific broken rules or giving a single explanation.

That's all you had to do in the first place. Regardless, an admin deleting their own complaint thread looks pretty sketchy.

Hornygranny wrote:"THIS BOARD IS FOR SPECIFIC INCIDENCES OF IN-GAME ADMIN ABUSE."

Hornygranny wrote:Why do you type in giant font?

What about forum abuse. Or deleting your own criticisms and then blaming the player who made them?

starmute wrote:What about forum abuse. Or deleting your own criticisms and then blaming the player who made them?

Its almost like he keeps linking the sticky that tells you what to do.

6. This board is not for forum issues or code issues. Forum issues should be brought up with the current managing administrator via IRC or PM. Code issues should be discussed with the appropriate parties in the matter chosen by their project leads.

Saegrimr wrote:

starmute wrote:What about forum abuse. Or deleting your own criticisms and then blaming the player who made them?

Its almost like he keeps linking the sticky that tells you what to do.

6. This board is not for forum issues or code issues. Forum issues should be brought up with the current managing administrator via IRC or PM. Code issues should be discussed with the appropriate parties in the matter chosen by their project leads.

None of this addresses the criticisms being leveled, which is about him deleting posts critical of him (outside of the complaint thread) and putting me on moderator approval needed for two posts that most moderators wouldn't even delete, providing no explanation, ignoring all attempts to contact him, and deleting another post critical of him in the appeal thread while leaving other less critical posts that were breaking the rules too (posts by uninvolved parties)

None of this addresses the criticisms being leveled

Because it's not the place to do it.

Admin Complaints are handled by head admins. I wonder how complaints against headmins are going to be resolved....?
Admin Feedback is just a tool for the admins' personal benefit and as far as I am still aware, headmins don't really care what's posted here. So shittalking them here does absolutely nothing.

What you need to do is PM the forum host which is MSO, or fetch him on IRC to talk out your issues about his forum behaviour.

I'm being pragmatic here when I'm telling you that venting your anger here that will amount to nothing, instead it needs to go to the guy who can actually do something about it.

I've messaged MSO regarding this. I'm just not really sure where else to voice my issues since the admin complaint thread was issues. In short, Hornygranny is blatantly abusing his power on the forums and circumventing the usual rules and punishments to pursue a personal vendetta.

holy shit every word of yours that I have to read makes me more and more annoyed

anyway, back on topic
hg you're a good administrator; you're always playing and I'm glad to see you're headmin again

Luke Cox wrote:I've messaged MSO regarding this. I'm just not really sure where else to voice my issues since the admin complaint thread was issues. In short, Hornygranny is blatantly abusing his power on the forums and circumventing the usual rules and punishments to pursue a personal vendetta.

are you ever going to state what these rules are

A very fair judge when it comes to bans.

However:
He is incredibly whimsical, using his power, he will often "test" a huge change with little or no player input. Going so far as to even code a config option before using it.

kazeespada wrote:However:
He is incredibly whimsical, using his power, he will often "test" a huge change with little or no player input. Going so far as to even code a config option before using it.

how else are we gonna get things done? players hate testing things, as shown with putting the week-long AI removal to a poll (which was literally a one week test and was met with endless silicon player whining)
it may be controversial but hg knows what he is doing

he won't ban you if you call him a fatty doo doo

Plays a mean blues bass walk

deleted a rude post +100 admin points

Locked a discussion two discussions about returning ban requests because he disagrees with it.

Approved and endorsed by previous veteran headmin Siliazi/silly Nazi/creed.

Anti-bureaucratic admin, takes action to meet action, says what he does and does what he says.

Aaaand he locked the third one, despite "yes" having a clear majority

Luke Cox wrote:Aaaand he locked the third one, despite "yes" having a clear majority

for my