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Vigilante justice is bad, and must be punished swiftly by security, and permanently (spacing/gibbing). There are a few resons for that: it seriously weakens the public trust towards security making their job harder, it encourages people to deal with threats on their own, putting their lives and other's at risk, and there's always the issue of innocent people being caught in the validhunting.

Sadly there are a lot of players who think that "dealing with things IC" just means "kill the fucker who's annoying you". No. Calling security is, and should always be, the first option.

i kill people who inconvenience me all the time and then i gib or cremate their bodies and i don't get locked up for it or killed and spaced because im handsome

Grazyn wrote: Sadly there are a lot of players who think that "dealing with things IC" just means "kill the fucker who's annoying you". No. Calling security is, and should always be, the first option.

Problem is relying on others, especially when said player that you need to deal with happens to be well known for being shitty and has established a metafriend in security.

There in lies the issue. Hence why kill people before they grief you. Or generally kill them before they escalate things.

We're getting sidetracked here. All this vigilante justice should just be discussed in policy discussion.

Even if I disagree with his decisions sometimes, he'll actually engage with the community and try to find common ground instead of throwing a tantrum and locking the thread. 10/10

Kor is pretty great and I trust him.

He kicked me back to lobby when I accidentally observed one day, 10/10 headmin deserves medal

Kor is based.

He's the only good headmin currently.

Kor is one of the few people on this server I actively like.

Kor is, by far one of the best admins the server has ever had. He is reliable, he follows the rules to the letter and knows when to apply force and actually cares for the server.

Hates pumpkin spice. Please remove him

Enabling Aloraydrel's self-destructive coffee bender, what the fuck man

He's pretty good.

Aliannera wrote:He's pretty good.

starmute wrote:Kor is, by far one of the best admins the server has ever had. He is reliable, he follows the rules to the letter and knows when to apply force and actually cares for the server.

InsaneHyena wrote:Kor is one of the few people on this server I actively like.

ShadowDimentio wrote:He's the only good headmin currently.

ThanatosRa wrote:Kor is based.

Whoisthere wrote:Kor is pretty great and I trust him.

thank you. $0.14 has been deposited into your account.

sawrge helpfully compiled a list of quotes nobody will ever say about him

I hear he's a cool dude.

Gets shit done, actually manages to remain fairly well in the middle and isn't a dick about it either. Somehow manages to keep most of us sane. Has been an excellent headmin imho.

paprika wrote:sawrge helpfully compiled a list of quotes nobody will ever say about him

Do they even admin anymore?

oranges wrote:Do they even admin anymore?

Does anyone, really

Being an admin is the scenic route to freedom

The scenes aren't all that scenic though

God-King Poring.

best mememin 10/10

Spawned himself in the brig during Gang with a "90% Block Chance" Vibroblade capable of deflecting bullets as a character named "Someone paid me 14 dollars to do this" and attacked Security, Delimbing two or three officers as everyone shot at him with Disablers and Tazers, to no avail.

Later took the Vibroblade from me when i Stunbatonned and killed him with it. Which i shrugged off.
When i asked him why, he said it was because he was afraid that i'd robust the gangs with a "90% Block Chance" sword and would cause the gangs to get angsty. Which i can understand.
He also stated he was payed ten dollars.

Guess what i'm saying is.
I'm all for fun and games. Kor. But the whole accepting bribery thing can be, a bit much.
Wasn't there a serious discussion against that stuff. Specifically regarding Admins accepting them. At some point.

If you're worried about Angst and OOC salt. Just don't do it. My man.

Pascal125 wrote:Spawned himself in the brig during Gang with a "90% Block Chance" Vibroblade capable of deflecting bullets as a character named "Someone paid me 14 dollars to do this" and attacked Security, Delimbing two or three officers as everyone shot at him with Disablers and Tazers, to no avail.

Later took the Vibroblade from me when i Stunbatonned and killed him with it. Which i shrugged off.
When i asked him why, he said it was because he was afraid that i'd robust the gangs with a "90% Block Chance" sword and would cause the gangs to get angsty. Which i can understand.
He also stated he was payed ten dollars.

Guess what i'm saying is.
I'm all for fun and games. Kor. But the whole accepting bribery thing can be, a bit much.
Wasn't there a serious discussion against that stuff. Specifically regarding Admins accepting them. At some point.

If you're worried about Angst and OOC salt. Just don't do it. My man.

make a complaint tbh

The only person I cut up was Kevinz* and I healed him afterwards

*I think I might have accidentally hit a cargo tech in the shoving and taken his leg but I was not randomly killing sec officers or even trying to hit them

Complaining I fucked around with a friend and then immediately undid the damage I caused instead of letting you steamroll the round with an admin weapon is very petty and I think you're making this post because you're mad I gave you a note for dismembering a prisoner for shit talking you. But yeah sure if you want to discuss this further make a complaint.

as the victim i can say that was all in good fun and not worth salting over tbh

No, this is really about you accepting, or joking about accepting. Bribes. As a player, It's getting concerning. Kor.
Mostly because i was around when it had to be made clear that it was unacceptable behavior regardless of context and was heavily frowned upon.
If i recall correctly, there was even a thread regarding admins and bribery. And a demotion or two. Even a statement that people attempting would be banned as-well.
I understand that it was for fun and games, in this situation. And the most affected victim did not press the issue. But it doesn't change much. Really.

But hey, since you decide to bring it up for whatever reason and accuse me of being mad because i couldn't steamroll a gang. Which i find petty to do over a simple feedback post regarding a concern I've noticed and had a few times. I just gave them a single love tap with a very real spellblade which just happened to exist for whatever reason. Because they began calling me shitcurity and acted rudely. Right after giving them epinephrine and an oxygen tank at their request because the other officer left them to die. Causing their leg to pop off. It happens, i guess. Moments before the shift ended. Could've just asked me to attach it back, you know. Not that it would've changed much. Shift was basically over anyways. The note was a note lacking detail consisting of about seven words. and even when i requested there be detail added and explained, you kinda just meme'd it.

But, sure. Guess that's another concern of mine. Giving me a note that lacks depth and seems like an attempt to make me seem toxic or weak willed. Or something. I honestly think you were just trying to be funny or something. But I'd still rather have professional notes. No offense.

But what do we care. It's irrelevant to the main concern. I've made my post. If you'd really rather i make a complaint then, okay. But i don't see it as necessary. Due to the aforementioned reasons, and fact that it is merely a concern, right now.

Kor wrote:But yeah sure if you want to discuss this further make a complaint.

I think they should, considering what's his name got deadminned for spawning his friend a varedited toy dildo or whatever it was

how did you think this was an okay thing to do kor?

I did something silly and somewhat obnoxious in a videogame to amuse myself and my friend at the expense of another friend and then undid the consequences after like 15 seconds of disruption. The """""victim"""" doesn't care.

If Mekhi was upset he'd have a valid complaint, but how was Pascal at all wronged?

Kor wrote:I did something silly and somewhat obnoxious in a videogame to amuse myself and my friend at the expense of another friend and then undid the consequences after like 15 seconds of disruption. The """""victim"""" doesn't care.

If Mekhi was upset he'd have a valid complaint, but how was Pascal at all wronged?

He thinks you're dead serious about taking 10$ for it.

Kor wrote:I did something silly and somewhat obnoxious in a videogame to amuse myself and my friend at the expense of another friend and then undid the consequences after like 15 seconds of disruption. The """""victim"""" doesn't care.

If Mekhi was upset he'd have a valid complaint, but how was Pascal at all wronged?

So did that other admin, was it sticky? I can't remember, but they got in a lot of trouble, so what is the difference? The main issue is it leads to accusations of admin favouritism

Here's a few more successful admin complaint where an admin amused themself and their friend and then undid the consequences
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=3755

Then again if deleting security doesn't get you deadminned as long as you call it a no sec event I guess it doesn't matter

I know you're not so dumb to believe that giving your friend godmode so they can grief is the same as killing and reviving someone without any impact on other people, please make better bait

Should probably pay more attention to detail and properly investigate situations before coming to a conclusion.
Should probably not publicly lie about and fail to provide proper context regarding said situations and change the story several times in a policy discussion in order to fit it in with their arguments.
Should probably not assume things from players and try to make them seem like "the bad guy" with more lies when being refuted.
Should probably reconsider trying to hold players to perfect actions having knowledge they otherwise would not posses. In order to try to make them seem terrible.

I'm not trying to cause arguments in here, Kor. So think about that before you reply, if you do. I don't think either of us wants a repeat of wild petty accusations being thrown around. That wasn't my intention the first time.
but your behavior is really concerning. Dude. What happened to you? Are you getting jaded or something?

If you can't even go through the basic effort of checking facts and having full understanding of a situation. Without having to make things up. how do we know you can be expected to Administrate properly? Or that you can understand it from a players perspective in-game and be fair to all parties involved?

Kor wrote: Complaining I fucked around with a friend and then immediately undid the damage I caused instead of letting you steamroll the round with an admin weapon is very petty and I think you're making this post because you're mad I gave you a note for dismembering a prisoner for shit talking you. But yeah sure if you want to discuss this further make a complaint.

shouldn't antagonize someone for making a valid complaint against them.

bman wrote:

Kor wrote: Complaining I fucked around with a friend and then immediately undid the damage I caused instead of letting you steamroll the round with an admin weapon is very petty and I think you're making this post because you're mad I gave you a note for dismembering a prisoner for shit talking you. But yeah sure if you want to discuss this further make a complaint.

shouldn't antagonize someone for making a valid complaint against them.

Bman is right, you shouldn't antagonize someone because they have a complaint and you told them more exactly WHAT happened but not WHY it was allowed for you to do what you did

Admin edit: Removed very not useful parts

Pascal125 wrote:Should probably pay more attention to detail and properly investigate situations before coming to a conclusion.
Should probably not publicly lie about and fail to provide proper context regarding said situations and change the story several times in a policy discussion in order to fit it in with their arguments.
Should probably not assume things from players and try to make them seem like "the bad guy" with more lies when being refuted.
Should probably reconsider trying to hold players to perfect actions having knowledge they otherwise would not posses. In order to try to make them seem terrible.

I'm not trying to cause arguments in here, Kor. So think about that before you reply, if you do. I don't think either of us wants a repeat of wild petty accusations being thrown around. That wasn't my intention the first time.
but your behavior is really concerning. Dude. What happened to you? Are you getting jaded or something?

If you can't even go through the basic effort of checking facts and having full understanding of a situation. Without having to make things up. how do we know you can be expected to Administrate properly? Or that you can understand it from a players perspective in-game and be fair to all parties involved?

We locked the other thread for a reason, please don't bring this here. Kor if you respond to his post I will be very disappointed

Honestly somewhat disappointed that a site admin would publicly post edit logs and reports to mock individual users.

Sligneris wrote:Honestly somewhat disappointed that a site admin would publicly post edit logs and reports to mock individual users.

did this happen again? I remember this happened a while ago but I don't remember how far back it was

admin edit: deleted response to no effort shitpost

Qbopper wrote:

Sligneris wrote:Honestly somewhat disappointed that a site admin would publicly post edit logs and reports to mock individual users.

did this happen again? I remember this happened a while ago but I don't remember how far back it was

ye edit: potato graphics isnt my fault

I did feel mocked

take a step back and look at your situation
are you guys really crying because he made a joke about someone reporting a headmin post

toughen up, buttercups
can't cry about forum posts all dang day

This is the second time you've used admin forum powers to shitpost dude come on, you're punching down. Its not like they can respond with your edits and this conversation has been had before.

Still disappointed, just now with an increasing amount of admins.

You're going to be even more disappointed at just how little any of them care

Indeed, I am.

no one cares

You made that pretty clear already.

Decide to check the forums on mobile and seriously. What is going on in here and why does it look like an even bigger administrative issue? Someone give me the TLDR please. Is more just being petty again? Because, from what I'm managing to read here. It seems like more poor behavior that someone e with as much history, trust, and experience as kor should not be conducting. Nor should admins dismiss such when there has been history and warnings regarding said behavior, previously.

A "joke" regarding reporting headmins posts seems incredibly poor form as, those posts, among several others spewed out within a short time frame by th e same Individual were Infact off topic unironic "shit posts" followed by an attempt to utilize their position to sway people from reporting it. Giving the sense that they view themselves as above everything. Unless the intentions n was to affirm that being a headmin entitles you to the right to ignore rules and that you are free to act as though you are the only headmin. And that it is Infact correct. But, that is an issue for another feedback thread. The only thing related to kor here is him lying once again and trying to make an individual player seem terrible with a report edit intended to mock them which, again. Is awfully petty. But quickly becoming expected.

Sorry, PKP. But this just leaves more questions then answers. And it is personally disappointing to see the way some admins here handle and operates towards/regarding legitimate complaints, blatant abuse, contempt and animosity towards the community they administrate, and lack of caring. One would think they would at least conceal it a little if anything.

Edit; June 19th.


Still upset and petty about it, it seems.

Pascal125 wrote:Decide to check the forums on mobile and seriously. What is going on in here and why does it look like an even bigger administrative issue? Someone give me the TLDR please. Is more just being petty again? Because, from what I'm managing to read here. It seems like more poor behavior that someone e with as much history, trust, and experience as kor should not be conducting. Nor should admins dismiss such when there has been history and warnings regarding said behavior, previously.

A "joke" regarding reporting headmins posts seems incredibly poor form as, those posts, among several others spewed out within a short time frame by th e same Individual were Infact off topic unironic "shit posts" followed by an attempt to utilize their position to sway people from reporting it. Giving the sense that they view themselves as above everything. Unless the intentions n was to affirm that being a headmin entitles you to the right to ignore rules and that you are free to act as though you are the only headmin. And that it is Infact correct. But, that is an issue for another feedback thread. The only thing related to kor here is him lying once again and trying to make an individual player seem terrible with a report edit intended to mock them which, again. Is awfully petty. But quickly becoming expected.

Sorry, PKP. But this just leaves more questions then answers. And it is personally disappointing to see the way some admins here handle and operates towards/regarding legitimate complaints, blatant abuse, contempt and animosity towards the community they administrate, and lack of caring. One would think they would at least conceal it a little if anything.

Your accusations lack proof and even if Kor did get something wrong,I highly doubt he'd do that on purpose.

Admin edit: Removed hostility from otherwise decent post