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Bottom post of the previous page:

That's all you had to do in the first place. Regardless, an admin deleting their own complaint thread looks pretty sketchy.

Hornygranny wrote:"THIS BOARD IS FOR SPECIFIC INCIDENCES OF IN-GAME ADMIN ABUSE."

Hornygranny wrote:Why do you type in giant font?

What about forum abuse. Or deleting your own criticisms and then blaming the player who made them?

starmute wrote:What about forum abuse. Or deleting your own criticisms and then blaming the player who made them?

Its almost like he keeps linking the sticky that tells you what to do.

6. This board is not for forum issues or code issues. Forum issues should be brought up with the current managing administrator via IRC or PM. Code issues should be discussed with the appropriate parties in the matter chosen by their project leads.

Saegrimr wrote:

starmute wrote:What about forum abuse. Or deleting your own criticisms and then blaming the player who made them?

Its almost like he keeps linking the sticky that tells you what to do.

6. This board is not for forum issues or code issues. Forum issues should be brought up with the current managing administrator via IRC or PM. Code issues should be discussed with the appropriate parties in the matter chosen by their project leads.

None of this addresses the criticisms being leveled, which is about him deleting posts critical of him (outside of the complaint thread) and putting me on moderator approval needed for two posts that most moderators wouldn't even delete, providing no explanation, ignoring all attempts to contact him, and deleting another post critical of him in the appeal thread while leaving other less critical posts that were breaking the rules too (posts by uninvolved parties)

None of this addresses the criticisms being leveled

Because it's not the place to do it.

Admin Complaints are handled by head admins. I wonder how complaints against headmins are going to be resolved....?
Admin Feedback is just a tool for the admins' personal benefit and as far as I am still aware, headmins don't really care what's posted here. So shittalking them here does absolutely nothing.

What you need to do is PM the forum host which is MSO, or fetch him on IRC to talk out your issues about his forum behaviour.

I'm being pragmatic here when I'm telling you that venting your anger here that will amount to nothing, instead it needs to go to the guy who can actually do something about it.

I've messaged MSO regarding this. I'm just not really sure where else to voice my issues since the admin complaint thread was issues. In short, Hornygranny is blatantly abusing his power on the forums and circumventing the usual rules and punishments to pursue a personal vendetta.

holy shit every word of yours that I have to read makes me more and more annoyed

anyway, back on topic
hg you're a good administrator; you're always playing and I'm glad to see you're headmin again

Luke Cox wrote:I've messaged MSO regarding this. I'm just not really sure where else to voice my issues since the admin complaint thread was issues. In short, Hornygranny is blatantly abusing his power on the forums and circumventing the usual rules and punishments to pursue a personal vendetta.

are you ever going to state what these rules are

A very fair judge when it comes to bans.

However:
He is incredibly whimsical, using his power, he will often "test" a huge change with little or no player input. Going so far as to even code a config option before using it.

kazeespada wrote:However:
He is incredibly whimsical, using his power, he will often "test" a huge change with little or no player input. Going so far as to even code a config option before using it.

how else are we gonna get things done? players hate testing things, as shown with putting the week-long AI removal to a poll (which was literally a one week test and was met with endless silicon player whining)
it may be controversial but hg knows what he is doing

he won't ban you if you call him a fatty doo doo

Plays a mean blues bass walk

deleted a rude post +100 admin points

Locked a discussion two discussions about returning ban requests because he disagrees with it.

Approved and endorsed by previous veteran headmin Siliazi/silly Nazi/creed.

Anti-bureaucratic admin, takes action to meet action, says what he does and does what he says.

Aaaand he locked the third one, despite "yes" having a clear majority

Luke Cox wrote:Aaaand he locked the third one, despite "yes" having a clear majority

for my

Returning Ban Requests might be ok if there is a time limit. Like if 24 hours have passed since it was created and it hasn't been decided then have a headmin just close it.

It's not even about the board coming back at this point, it's about HG attempting to shut down all discussion about something he disagrees with, in addition to everything else he does.

Super Aggro Crag wrote:he won't ban you if you call him a fatty doo doo

Liar https://tgstation13.science/phpBB/viewt ... =34&t=6442

I'm pretty sure that a different admin other than the one responsible for the ban is supposed to decide the appeal.

Dear candidates of next term's headmin election: if you find yourself in a run-off versus HG, don't ever back down.

Only seen him lock threads after replying "No" or "Denied", nothing else really so I'm not sure what else he does but I guess he's fine-ish on special occasions sometimes.

VincVsVincent wrote:Only seen him lock threads after replying "No" or "Denied", nothing else really so I'm not sure what else he does but I guess he's fine-ish on special occasions sometimes.

He also permabans people who insult him. He contributes nothing of value to the community. The only things I have ever seen him do are ban people he doesn't like and push shit changes that people don't want

I've been pretty happy with most of HG's bans

TechnoAlchemist wrote:I've been pretty happy with most of HG's bans

What the, you can make your own bans man.

I'll always have respect for HG for not taking shit from anyone.

Yeah but I'm 1. Not a headmin and 2. Not willing to deal with the results of said bans

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Yeah but I'm 1. Not a headmin and 2. Not willing to deal with the results of said bans

Just test the waters, like HG and see how far you can go as admin

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Yeah but I'm 1. Not a headmin and 2. Not willing to deal with the results of said bans

>I'm not willing to deal with the consequences of my actions

HG should be held to the same level of accountability, possibly even more given his position.

If anyone started acting like HG they'd almost certainly get thrown out on the spot

He only gets away with it because he's an oldfag admin and oldfag admins get away with everything because nobody has the balls to throw them out

Bans anyone he doesn`t like and muh feelings r hurt.
Needs a wakeup call at this rate.

EDIT: Also, too many one word responce on anything and everything.

I'm pretty sure that if HG banned anybody they didn't like, the people talking shit about them in their feedback thread would be first on their list.

Also if they were actually doing that, I would have stepped in and did something.

The truth is a bit less satisfying, that they aren't the evil boogeyman everybody is making them out to be.

MrStonedOne wrote:I'm pretty sure that if HG banned anybody they didn't like, the people talking shit about them in their feedback thread would be first on their list.

He's an asshole but he's not stupid. He isn't going to try to pull that shit when he's under heavy scrutiny.

MrStonedOne wrote:Also if they were actually doing that, I would have stepped in and did something.

He has, multiple times as pointed out in this thread. You did nothing. If anything that just implicates you too.

I'm sorry MSO, but you have to be either willfully ignorant or a liar to deny that HG has abused his power, and that if any other admin did what he does they would be out the door in a heartbeat.

Alright, your right, I'm corrupt too. let me just perma-delete with no deleted post marker, all your posts in this thread, and then ban you, and black list you, to hide the conspiracy.


Oh wait, I'm not gonna do that.

You can make fun of me and ignore the problem all you want, but HG has done this shit in broad daylight

Luke Cox wrote:You can make fun of me and ignore the problem all you want, but HG has done this shit in broad daylight

MSO just accept the fact that your shit is fucked

Good fucking lord you two.

Silly conspiracy aside, it does feel like HG has been rather heavy handed on the bans/thread locking recently.

HG isn't the head of some vast conspiracy. MSO isn't a jerk.

There are some issues that need to be addressed but honestly it's up to the admins, the server owner and the forum owner to decide if they want to address them.


Were I to give advice it would be this:
Personally I just think that tgstation is over-centralized. there are lots of issues that need to be addressed. The admins, wiki, and forums need heads and their own directions that are different than each other.

A few examples

The coders need to submit what they are changing to the wiki before merging it to the station (Half the stuff on the station people don't know how to use)
The forum needs to be seperate from admin decisions.
The wiki needs a head and several people to work on improving the wiki that will cooperate and explain admin decisions clearer to the users
The headmins and admins need to communicate better with the forum, wiki and coders

That's just me though. I've always felt that more communication and transparency is better.

Zilenan91 wrote:Good fucking lord you two.

>tfw zilenan is calling people out for being stupid
>tfw he's actually fucking right

As usual, hg is the scapegoat. You all hate him for everything that goes wrong.

Its basically the same thing that happened when I was headmin.

Anything we did that people liked were credited to me/kor

Anything bad was blamed on anon/hg

When usually everything was a group decision.

HG permabanned someone for insulting him. Please explain to me how its wrong to blame HG for that?

luke sounds a little salty

Alex Crimson wrote:HG permabanned someone for insulting him. Please explain to me how its wrong to blame HG for that?

lets say you walked into a business

lets say you weren't okay with how that business operated

lets say you then proceed to walk up to the owner of the business and insult him directly

what do you think is going to happen

Too bad HG doesn't own /tg/station

Luke Cox wrote:Too bad HG doesn't own /tg/station

And I suppose you do?

The point is that HG can't just do whatever the fuck he wants. He has rules and procedures he has to follow.

okay

what are those rules, where are they written, and are you going to report me to GARRY???

Luke is really salty about having a thread closed.

This is probably the angriest i've seen someone that wasn't even banned.

iamgoofball wrote:luke sounds a little salty

Alex Crimson wrote:HG permabanned someone for insulting him. Please explain to me how its wrong to blame HG for that?

lets say you walked into a business

lets say you weren't okay with how that business operated

lets say you then proceed to walk up to the owner of the business and insult him directly

what do you think is going to happen

This isnt a business. Its a game. HG doesnt own anything, he was just elected headmin. Banning someone for insulting you is fine, it gives them a chance to cool down. Permabanning them? Thats overkill. Instantly locking the appeal? Thats complete bullshit. Hell, if he was involved with the situation he shouldnt even be handling the ban.

A headmin should not be able to ban whoever they want. They are as bound to the rules as us. In fact, as the highest level of administration, they should be examples of proper conduct.

Saegrimr wrote:Luke is really salty about having a thread closed.

This is probably the angriest i've seen someone that wasn't even banned.

You're completely missing the point. This is about him banning people just because he doesn't like them, and locking threads because he disagrees with them.