/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:32 am**

Please post any positive or negative feedback for the administrator here.
This is not the place to discuss ban appeals, admin complaints, or ban requests.
This is for specific feedback for this administrator.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:35 am**

Amazing admin so far, good at investigating cases, interacts with ooc, he's a winner

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:01 am**

Good midis, good at handling shit, good at HOLDING THE LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE.

But seriously. Goodmin with good music and talks n'shit.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:16 pm**

SweaterKittens is my admin candidate, so perhaps I'm biased, but they always promoted good RP and had a strong mind for what's fair and isn't. I'm glad to see them doing well.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:25 am**

Here's my story about KittenSweater which I'll also be posting in the general

For starters Kitten answered my prayer for a TC trade. Then he turned me into a chaos carp. Already I like him because most admins won't do that. Then I asked him if he could spawn a radio and turn it on so I could carry it around and talk to the station. A lot of admins would have just ignored my request but he didn't. He even spawned into space next to me just to pick it up and turn it on. (Of course he became a pile of bones after). After about 20 minutes of me smashing up the station he tells me that the priest has started worshiping carp. I ask him to tell the priest an angel is coming and again, he does. When I get to the chapel I find it full of carp suits (His doing I assume) and 3 people who start worshiping me and asking to become carp. I say some flowery speech and then ask him if he can make the three worshipers into regular space carp. And he does it! After we go around destroying the station and he making Lia sentient we eventually die. For a final act he spawns ~25 space carp and mega carp into Centcom, spawning me as the only chaos magicarp so they could recognize me. We then reclaimed space for Carp-Sie.

A lot of admins rarely seem to change anything in the game that much due to fears it would make the the round too different but it's actually a good thing. It breaks up the staleness. KittenSweater is a great Trialadmin

Give him the

Posted: **Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:19 pm**

Made a real effort to engage with the playerbase and polled opinion before messing with stuff with admin powers, administrated like a pro.

I didn't have a direct interaction with him during yesterday, but I was really happy with what I saw of him in OOC/in general.

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:22 pm**

Competent, reasonable, friendly, generally just a really good admin from what I've seen so far.

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:27 pm**

Still one of my favorite admins, I would even say headmin material because of reasons above

Posted: **Sun Jan 22, 2017 3:57 pm**

seems p alright, willing to voice an opinion which is actually kinda rare among admins and a good thing

Posted: **Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:54 pm**

Actually cares about doing a good job and about making the server better, which is unfortunately not as common a trait as it should be

Posted: **Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:31 pm**

I see them being super reasonable on the forums, in game, in adminbus, and even on digg

"Actually cares about doing a good job and about making the server better" +1

Posted: **Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:27 am**

Learning code, so will eventaully just vanish from the servers forever.

But codermins are good, look at kev, for example.

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:47 am**

Did a very good job with investigating someone who had randomly murdered me, very calm, easy to talk to, and patient.

Give them admin or give me death by oxygen tank.

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:36 am**

fun to talk to

nice admin

helpful and a kind heart

but they don't like yeehaw! Get the fuck off of my server!

Posted: **Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:59 pm**

S.K.'s a goodmin. Clear cut and investigative. After seeing their general understanding of other players/their warns, makes me hate my bad choices even more.

Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:37 am**

Kewl lad. Really nice, enjoyable to admin with.

Posted: **Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:49 am**

I've been skeptical of him due to some stuff near the start of his trial but he's are doing lots of good work (for one the silicon policy rewrite was excellent) and seems really open to feedback. I think he's been doing a really good job sort of redeeming himself in my eyes (even if it was indirectly) and I'm optimistic for him to improve further. I suspect by the time he's up for review I'll have a fully positive outlook for him.

Posted: **Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:32 am**

First interation was excellent.
Was very responsive in ahelps.
Handled things effectively and promptly, and let me know the next round that my issue was dealt with.

Posted: **Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:57 am**

Sweaterkittens,
I come to post in this thread not out of malice, but out of genuine concern
and I make a point of saying that because I fear that you will misinterpret my intentions here and perhaps get angry

but you seem to form a lot of big ol' hateful grudges on certain people in and around the community, and they get quite volatile
some examples would be Pax, and oranges
and I get it, I do. There's a lot of people to dislike around here. but you seem to get very invested in hating the people that you do.
and there's a problem there, because it starts to seem like you're going out of your way to be vile towards the people you don't like. From the outside looking in, it looks sometimes like you become very petty and do things just to spite these people.
I'm not saying that it's your intention, perhaps you aren't aware of it, but please understand; I've heard people talk about this, I've talked to people about this, this is just the way it looks.
I'm worried that it could color your actions in an administrative capacity. I'm more worried that it already has. Pax and oranges are only two examples.
I mean, heck, there are some players that I'd sure like to be rotten to. But you just gotta step outta that and be a big boy.

I hope you read this and understand that I'm coming here as a concerned comrade, and not an enemy
have a good day

Posted: **Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:18 am**

I appreciate your concern, and I understand where you're coming from. I know you're not saying what you're saying out of malice.

I think it's important that you know that I never grew up or spent a lot of time in 4chan or similar communities until recently. Until I started playing SS13 and got involved here, I never spent any significant amount of time around people that freely call each other faggots and racial slurs, and tell each other to kill themselves as a joke. It's still very foreign to me when I see people being what I would consider incredibly malicious to one another and then act like it's normal. As a result, I find a lot of that sort of behavior really appalling, and have a very, very low tolerance for it and the people who engage in it.

I got involved here because I really do love this game. I have a lot of great memories here and I enjoy doing what I can to improve the server and foster a positive atmosphere for everyone. Because I want to improve the server, I do take a more aggressive approach when I feel as though people are detrimental to it. I realize that it may come across as a grudge, but it's because I don't suddenly change my opinion on someone without them doing something to warrant that. If I believe that someone is truly detrimental to the server, I can't just ignore it - otherwise I wouldn't have become an admin in the first place.

I really do get what you're saying though, and I'll do my best to take it to heart.

Posted: **Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:20 am**

cool, man
i'm glad

Posted: **Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:23 am**

sweaterkittens has a +1 from me for a creative gimmick where they turned my chapel into a small dorf fortress after i prayed to armok

danno wrote: there are some players that I'd sure like to be rotten

am i one of those players kek

Posted: **Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:26 am**

I don't have any problem with you as a player or in general

Posted: **Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:34 pm**

bman wrote:am i one of those players kek

this isn't bman's feedback thread ree

Posted: **Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:32 pm**

srs feedback: i dont think kittens actually holds grudges even if they detest someone being an admin

admin edit: removed meme

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:42 am**

Sweaterkittens wrote:t's still very foreign to me when I see people being what I would consider incredibly malicious to one another and then act like it's normal. As a result, I find a lot of that sort of behavior really appalling, and have a very, very low tolerance for it and the people who engage in it.
<snip>
If I believe that someone is truly detrimental to the server, I can't just ignore it - otherwise I wouldn't have become an admin in the first place.

Don't you think that's a problem if you're out of touch with the community and yet can't let that pattern of behaviour slide?

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:44 am**

oranges wrote:
Sweaterkittens wrote:t's still very foreign to me when I see people being what I would consider incredibly malicious to one another and then act like it's normal. As a result, I find a lot of that sort of behavior really appalling, and have a very, very low tolerance for it and the people who engage in it.
<snip>
If I believe that someone is truly detrimental to the server, I can't just ignore it - otherwise I wouldn't have become an admin in the first place.

Don't you think that's a problem if you're out of touch with the community and yet can't let that pattern of behaviour slide?

This is non abrasive and not rude, oranges is giving you genuine feedback and you should listen to it

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:24 am**

You'll have to excuse me if I don't take feedback seriously from someone who's told me to kill myself, and was recently bragging about being such utter shit to me that I lost interest in being involved with the server.

On topic, I understand what you're saying but I disagree with it. I will never be in a position where I would think that telling people to unironically kill themselves or being purposely malicious to others out of boredom is okay. I got involved here because I love this game and I want everyone to have a good time here. If the headmins find that they want to let that sort of awful behaviour slide then they're welcome to remove me from the team. That's not how I was raised and I will not compromise my beliefs regarding being a decent human beings to each other.

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:30 am**

What I'm trying to understand is if you would break existing precedent or admin rulings if you felt they crossed your beliefs?

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:46 am**

>it becomes an actual piece of negative admin feedback that the admin is against people being utter cunts to one another

jesus

please accept this as my vote of positive feedback, particularly considering we have the "actual precedent" and/or admin ruling of Rule 1, i.e. don't be an utter cunt

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:36 am**

Why can't all admins be friends?

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:24 am**

bandit wrote:>it becomes an actual piece of negative admin feedback that the admin is against people being utter cunts to one another

jesus

please accept this as my vote of positive feedback, particularly considering we have the "actual precedent" and/or admin ruling of Rule 1, i.e. don't be an utter cunt

They said in their own post that they don't understand parts of our community themself? It's not concerning to you that one of the admins is out of touch by their own omission and doesn't seem to care?

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:55 am**

It's more concerning to me that more admins don't think alike.

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:20 am**

I don't think it's realistic to expect admins to be identical clone people, but they should at least understand the context in which they interact with their own stated community

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:53 am**

admins are people, not ban-robots

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:31 am**

Has never handled a situation poorly in my experiences with him however does need to grow a thicker skin

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:27 pm**

Should stop acting like a tumblr drama queen.

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:08 pm**

oranges wrote:
Sweaterkittens wrote:t's still very foreign to me when I see people being what I would consider incredibly malicious to one another and then act like it's normal. As a result, I find a lot of that sort of behavior really appalling, and have a very, very low tolerance for it and the people who engage in it.
<snip>
If I believe that someone is truly detrimental to the server, I can't just ignore it - otherwise I wouldn't have become an admin in the first place.

Don't you think that's a problem if you're out of touch with the community and yet can't let that pattern of behaviour slide?

this is why i have you on ignore

>"I don't like people being really rude and shitty to each other"
>you're just out of touch with the culture

you can make valid criticisms about admins all you like but this is not one of them

InsaneHyena wrote:Should stop acting like a tumblr drama queen.

this isn't feedback that means anything and just makes you sound like an ass

Pascal125 wrote:It's more concerning to me that more admins don't think alike.

???

so, should we be concerned that players don't all think alike and play the same?

danno wrote:admins are people, not ban-robots

^

I think SK has probably mishandled some of the recent things we've seen but these posts are just baffling to me

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:05 pm**

Qbopper wrote: this is why i have you on ignore

>"I don't like people being really rude and shitty to each other"
>you're just out of touch with the culture

That's not what I said though, They said they're out of touch themselves, you don't think it's a problem that they admit they're not in touch with the server culture and that they don't intend to change that? Your confusion is understandable, since you appear to also be out of touch with the community.

also what's the point of having me on ignore if you're going to respond to my posts anyway?

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:09 am**

Being an utter cunt or being shitty is a subjective thing though, especially in a game that encourages and even requires people to be in conflict with one another.

It's not as self evident as you guys are making it out to be. "I'm stopping bad people" is not a blanket justification without any context.

For example: A corrupt sec officer arming assistants and having them smash department windows to demand protection money might be grief or an interesting roleplay opportunity, depending on who you ask and who it happens to. But Sweaterkittens has previously said they would ban people for perceived rulebreaking whether or not their "victim" wanted the aggressor banned, even if the "victim" outright stated they enjoyed the situation.

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:33 am**

oranges wrote:also what's the point of having me on ignore if you're going to respond to my posts anyway?

I usually don't open them but someone quoted you in the thread

Kor wrote:Being an utter cunt or being shitty is a subjective thing though, especially in a game that encourages and even requires people to be in conflict with one another.

I think SK is specifically referring to the near constant shitting on people OOC, people often using racial slurs, etc. etc.

maybe I misunderstood, but I really didn't get the impression that they meant IC actions

oranges wrote:They said they're out of touch themselves, you don't think it's a problem that they admit they're not in touch with the server culture and that they don't intend to change that? Your confusion is understandable, since you appear to also be out of touch with the community.

where?

Sweaterkittens wrote:I think it's important that you know that I never grew up or spent a lot of time in 4chan or similar communities until recently. Until I started playing SS13 and got involved here, I never spent any significant amount of time around people that freely call each other faggots and racial slurs, and tell each other to kill themselves as a joke. It's still very foreign to me when I see people being what I would consider incredibly malicious to one another and then act like it's normal. As a result, I find a lot of that sort of behavior really appalling, and have a very, very low tolerance for it and the people who engage in it.

they said they aren't used to it, don't know why you have to word it to frame them in a negative light when SK is just trying to be realistic about the situation

nice work managing to slip in a quick jab at me in there too

putting "i'm rude and abrasive" in your signature is like putting "I only shitpost ironically" in your signature - it doesn't change what you're doing, as much as you might believe it does

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:16 am**

You seem to be taking this a little too personally so I'll just back off for now.

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:21 am**

oranges wrote:You seem to be taking this a little too personally so I'll just back off for now.

This is the most polite I've seen oranges and you guys are biting his head off more than usual like for what purpose

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:51 am**

This is all taken out of context. Sweaterkittens in their post was specifically talking about 4chan culture or whatever, and it's safe to say that the server has drifted away from that community in the past couple years. So it's not synonymous with "server culture" and how someone feels about /b/ has no correlation either way on how they admin. In fact, it literally can't be about any of their recent behavior as an admin, as they'd taken a break.

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:06 am**

bandit wrote:This is all taken out of context. Sweaterkittens in their post was specifically talking about 4chan culture or whatever, and it's safe to say that the server has drifted away from that community in the past couple years. So it's not synonymous with "server culture" and how someone feels about /b/ has no correlation either way on how they admin. In fact, it literally can't be about any of their recent behavior as an admin, as they'd taken a break.

Thanks, it makes much more sense when you phrase it this way

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:12 am**

Citing gameplay is never an excuse to be an asshole outside of the game, kor
ever

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:27 am**

Kor wrote: For example: A corrupt sec officer arming assistants and having them smash department windows to demand protection money might be grief or an interesting roleplay opportunity, depending on who you ask and who it happens to.

Now that would be an interesting rp prospect, however money is hard or impossible to get, and it is practically useless too.

For feeback I think that they have potential to be a good admin, but there is some of the issues stated above.

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:06 am**

No. Qbopper. But i personally believe that Admins should reach a stronger consensus regarding important issues, rulings, and how to handle them, if they hope to administrate more efficiently. As it stands it's like a box of chocolates. "You never know what you're gonna get.". There are rules, but they're enforced differently and it can lead to players on both sides having issues with how it was handled or even being upset because Admin A handled it poorly in their opinion whereas Admin B would've done something else in that situation. I'm not about to say that the Admin team should behave like a courtroom. I feel that would be extreme and un-fun for the parties involved. But really, i personally believe it might be more effective to at-least have some consistency in how offenses are punished, regardless of the Admin involved. It's my understanding that courtrooms will base their sentencing based off past cases of the issue occuring. If the first guy got imprisoned for 10 years, the future offenders will get a minimum of 10.

The way it currently is could lead. and in my opinion, has personally lead to an issue where Admin A has banned Player A for breaking rules. but Admin B has left Player B off free/with a warning when Player A a-helped them for the same exact crime.
Yeah, there might be a reason on the Admins part for it. But in the end, at least in this hypothetical situation, it's the exact same offense. Nothing is different between both cases.

Anyways, what i said isn't in an implication that people should be robotic. It meant i was more concerned for the fact that apparently not many other admins would care if a player outright told another player to "Kill themselves" among other things. like Sweaterkittens apparently does.

I don't think there's much of a good excuse for being a dick OOCly. Yet i haven't seen a single admin do anything about it, sans muting OOC from time to time when it gets really bad. I've seen lots of things and I've personally been attacked in rather insulting, over-the-top ways, too. In my personal experience, if you A-help this asking them to tell the player to at-least tone it down, you'll be met with some "Man up" response. Make no mistake, i don't want a safe space. But i just don't think those comments are acceptable as a player. And i don't see why Admins would think otherwise, As a human being.

But, we / I am getting a little off-topic. Here.

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:58 am**

Pascal125 wrote:...

You don't really get the exact same offence twice, I think most of us would like to believe that the game is complex and situations can differ in many details.
Also, intent matters as much as what went down, yet intent is hard to quantify and the judgement can depend on player history.
And requiring total admin consensus would be difficult and not necessarily healthy. Many people play this game for many things, if administration was reduced to a flowchart then I believe you'd get a dumbed down experience in the game.

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:12 pm**

oranges wrote:You seem to be taking this a little too personally so I'll just back off for now.

Well, yeah, that's what happens when you make a comment about a person specifically, I'm not sure what you expected

Pascal125 wrote:No. Qbopper. But i personally believe that Admins should reach a stronger consensus regarding important issues, rulings, and how to handle them, if they hope to administrate more efficiently.

that's all well and good and many people agree, but until someone has a concrete idea of what/how to do this, there's little to say

As it stands it's like a box of chocolates. "You never know what you're gonna get.". There are rules, but they're enforced differently and it can lead to players on both sides having issues with how it was handled or even being upset because Admin A handled it poorly in their opinion whereas Admin B would've done something else in that situation. I'm not about to say that the Admin team should behave like a courtroom. I feel that would be extreme and un-fun for the parties involved. But really, i personally believe it might be more effective to at-least have some consistency in how offenses are punished, regardless of the Admin involved. It's my understanding that courtrooms will base their sentencing based off past cases of the issue occuring. If the first guy got imprisoned for 10 years, the future offenders will get a minimum of 10.

even in your courtroom example, context matters, it's not as simple as applying a blanket punishment to anyone committing an offense

The way it currently is could lead. and in my opinion, has personally lead to an issue where Admin A has banned Player A for breaking rules. but Admin B has left Player B off free/with a warning when Player A a-helped them for the same exact crime.
Yeah, there might be a reason on the Admins part for it. But in the end, at least in this hypothetical situation, it's the exact same offense. Nothing is different between both cases.

except we don't have the context - what id player B had an actual reason to break that rule? What if player A's ban was rule 0/1, and admin B doesn't think it falls under "being a dick"?

Anyways, what i said isn't in an implication that people should be robotic. It meant i was more concerned for the fact that apparently not many other admins would care if a player outright told another player to "Kill themselves" among other things. like Sweaterkittens apparently does.

I don't think there's much of a good excuse for being a dick OOCly. Yet i haven't seen a single admin do anything about it, sans muting OOC from time to time when it gets really bad. I've seen lots of things and I've personally been attacked in rather insulting, over-the-top ways, too. In my personal experience, if you A-help this asking them to tell the player to at-least tone it down, you'll be met with some "Man up" response. Make no mistake, i don't want a safe space. But i just don't think those comments are acceptable as a player. And i don't see why Admins would think otherwise, As a human being.

I think there's an extent where you have to shrug it off or take it as a joke, and I say that as someone who is pretty sensitive about that sorta shit

I think telling someone to kill themselves is the pinnacle of lazy and shitty humor, but if we tried to tell people to knock it off we'd be swamped with even more shit to handle and the drama would be immense

I personally think the best kind of OOC moderation is to just take peoples intention into account - I don't care if you call someone a racial slur when you're among friends andclearly just joking, but a lot of people just unironically use them as insults and it's not healthy for a community, imo

But, we / I am getting a little off-topic. Here.

yeah this has wildly derailed

NikNakFlak wrote:Citing gameplay is never an excuse to be an asshole outside of the game, kor
ever

I think desperately hope kor misunderstood and thought the discussion was about being a dick IC

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