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oranges wrote:

Reeeee wrote:

Actionb wrote: Depending on what you watch and get influenced by, you get a total different view of the situation.

I keep him cus he's one of the few alt sources information who constantly shits on mainstream and is self critical to the point is kinda demeaning.
You can't really skim someone and make statements about what he is either. He's being accused of being both left/right at the same time which makes him pretty centrist tbh. Rather that than CNN telling me i should kill x and journalists defending looting as some sort of universal right.

I don't get where he's defending anything other than his opinion that you are free to ignore.
Also, people aren't left or right, they just want to grill and go to the mall without getting shot.

If you care more about Trump taking a picture (they mainly condemned him for clearing the way) in front of the church than the fact that far-left extremists (unproven) tried to destroy a church last night (somebody lit a fire in the basement that did minor damage). Then you are part of the problem (oof, generalize and strawman much??).

I'm not giving you my personal opinion (implying it's FACTS; i.e. I'm not free to ignore it), I will just tell you this:
Trump didn't apparently order any protestor to be gassed (apparently pepperballs and smoke grenades were used; same effect in that situation) or anything like that.
It was curfew (it wasn't; curfew was at 7pm, police cleared half an hour earlier (also note how the camera man is being assaulted)).

Grazyn wrote: Not a fan of "well if breitbart news says Biden is a pedo and MSNBC says he isn't, maybe the truth lies somewhere in between"

You can just accept you will never know the truth and move on instead of getting intentionally misguided by averaging out every extreme point of view.

Grazyn wrote:What I don't understand is why rioters are using sticks, stones and firebombs instead of actual guns. Isn't the 2nd amendment meant to fight the authoritarian government when it starts oppressing you?

Actionb wrote:

Grazyn wrote: Not a fan of "well if breitbart news says Biden is a pedo and MSNBC says he isn't, maybe the truth lies somewhere in between"

You can just accept you will never know the truth and move on instead of getting intentionally misguided by averaging out every extreme point of view.

Jack7D1 wrote:

Grazyn wrote:What I don't understand is why rioters are using sticks, stones and firebombs instead of actual guns. Isn't the 2nd amendment meant to fight the authoritarian government when it starts oppressing you?

Because at that point they can start shooting back. Military don't swear to defend a leader or position. But he constitution. So if things ever get to the point where the general public starts a literal armed rebellion. The military is likely going to toss out the incumbent. Rather than slaughter the population.

This also isn't the middle east so it's possible to make change without violence.

Timbrewolf wrote: I said you have to use your fuckin brain to construct the truth out of different viewpoints. I shouldn't be surprised you couldn't even manage to do that to read a single post and jumped to "he must mean you just average everything together into a truth soup".

If one outlet is calling someone a child rapist and nobody else is acknowledging or reporting on it you dont conclude that they are like 1/10th child rapist.

Watching people in here purposely dive on the most retarded interpretation of everything they read is painful.

I'm convinced you use that picture of a cat as your forum avatar because you identify with the need to wear a helmet.

Franklin, a burglary suspect, unarmed and 173 pounds, was found hiding in a basement by five officers who unleashed a dog on him. His family’s attorneys say an officer’s semiautomatic weapon accidentally went off, hitting two officers in the legs, and police responded by shooting and killing Franklin in anger. [...]
Kroll said that a good friend of his had killed Franklin: “stepped up and shot him in the head at close range.”

“The Franklin one was near and dear to my heart because he shot two friends of mine, and a very good friend of mine was the one who shot and killed him in the confrontation,” Kroll said.

Grazyn wrote:Turns out Floyd had the 'rona. Combined with pre-existing conditions, "I can't breathe", I think the cop's trial will be fun to watch. Second wave of riots predicted when the cop is found not guilty.

iksyp wrote:oh hey i just read through the thread nice to know that people want others to die because of how they generalize said group very cool guys thank you for solving racism o7

XSI wrote:They upgraded the cop's charges to second degree murder
He's going to get off unless they can somehow get the entire jury to be protestors and antifa

Armhulen wrote:

XSI wrote:They upgraded the cop's charges to second degree murder
He's going to get off unless they can somehow get the entire jury to be protestors and antifa

that is gonna piss people off so much oh my god

though one of the cops was really new to the team and told the guy to get off george's neck so I think he should be let go tbh

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Assaulting the banks is a good way to get your ass killed - it also wouldn't do anything since the majority of cash flow is digital.

Actionb wrote:Minneapolis Police Union President: “I’ve Been Involved in Three Shootings Myself, and Not a One of Them Has Bothered Me”
https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/min ... shootings/

> His family’s attorneys say

Helios wrote: What do the Cop's lawyer say?
If you only listen to the prosecutor, or only listen to the defense attorney you're going to get a very skewed idea of a case.

Jack7D1 wrote:Four officers with lethals trained on a guy. Guy pulls out gun
"Shoot, Shoot, Shoot to kill"
Some guys had the grand idea to only shoot twice.

terranaut wrote:i dont get how people still fall for it

Flatulent wrote:but there is raaaaacccciiiissssmmmm how can you not understaaaaand

Actionb wrote:..and you might get an idea why something like antifa is actually necessary.

Flatulent wrote:it’s literally just a publicity stunt what is there not to understand

there is global awareness about this blm stuff, Canadians and Dutch have been determined to care about this by Uber analysing their userbase’s google search results

for example I didnt get any such mail from Uber and I live in place where we simply don’t give a shit about American police strangling black people

there were also blm protests in Amsterdam and Canada so I suppose that matters as well

Reeeee wrote:Wait did someone defend antifa because he doesn't like what some guy on youtube is posting?
Fist world countries like US don't *need* violent and insurrectionist naysayer cults shitting on their fellow people cus of politics

Actionb wrote:

Reeeee wrote:Wait did someone defend antifa because he doesn't like what some guy on youtube is posting?
Fist world countries like US don't *need* violent and insurrectionist naysayer cults shitting on their fellow people cus of politics

No, it wasn't (only) because I didn't like what he was saying - I was using him as an example for how an initially centrist audience can be aligned towards the right by 'apparently liberal' content creators who are actually biased towards the right.
Put certain right-wing people in a somewhat favourable light, maybe do a few interviews, or simply talk about them while simultaneously portraying their opposition as bad. Everything done one-sided and incrementally, and the content creators may set the stage for content that is more right. Why this usually applies towards the right and not the left is explained in the video I have posted.
How much that particular youtuber actually means to contribute to this matters little and I don't really care about him personally. Again, just an example, because I think he does contribute (anti-MSM, anti-left video titles, Anti-Antifa, alt-light or alt-right figures like Peterson, McInnes).

"Oh you're overreacting!" - well, am I? Right wing has moved its 'recruitment' pretty much entirely to the internet. And it's paying off thanks to the alt-right pipeline:
https://www.tubefilter.com/2019/08/26/y ... niversity/
https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/f ... 10108/7920


Also Antifa isn't simply all about thugs and hooligans, but also about information gathering and monitoring. If you've only heard about the former, get a change of perspective.
If you can't see how all this applies to the current situation or what role Antifa might play in this:
white supremacist infiltration of us police forces
who are antifa (US)
And even if you don't care about what is happening in the US, this move to the right is happening in a lot of places in various degrees: Brazil, Hungary, Poland, Germany, UK, France, Turkey. Even the Dutch send their "Holland-Hitler" cosplayer over to take part in a Nazi demo last summer in the city where I live.

Helios wrote:There's no statistically significant disproportionate shooting of Black Canadians, or Black Dutch.

Actionb wrote:...

Super Aggro Crag wrote:

iksyp wrote:oh hey i just read through the thread nice to know that people want others to die because of how they generalize said group very cool guys thank you for solving racism o7

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion

iksyp wrote:

Super Aggro Crag wrote:

iksyp wrote:oh hey i just read through the thread nice to know that people want others to die because of how they generalize said group very cool guys thank you for solving racism o7

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion

the fuck am i even supposed to contribute at this point?

like, "oh wow rioters bad police bad" no shit, cops need to be held more accountable, and people need to focus on more peaceful methods, but i haven't seen a single person who doesn't hold this stance
and to anyone who says "PEACEFUL PROTESTING DOESN'T WORK!!! IT TOOK 3 DAYS OF RIOTS!!!" there weren't even 3 days of peaceful protests.

Reeeee wrote: Antifa, for all they pretend to be, are nothing but cunts and faggots and have very little to do with freedom of information, and more to do with being a small minded politically corrupted sons of bitches who want to hurt others for their views.

XSI wrote: >Someone in here unironically defending antifa
Extremist shits who would maim or kill anyone that disagreed with them without hesitation if they had any real power

small-minded,/smɔːlˈmʌɪndɪd/, adjective
    having or showing rigid opinions or a narrow outlook; petty.

Spoiler:

Freedom of information and dissemination of it happens elsewhere, (wikileaks, etc) not in garage meetings of politically biased fucktards

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Being right aligned isn't wrong, it's just a different political view to hold.

I have never said that it was wrong. But if a right leaning person doesn't know how radicalization works these days, because they just don't give a crap about informing themselves and run face first into the pipeline, then it might be a problem.

The moment you start to hurt others for it is the moment you belong in the trash bin.

Right-wing extremists have been one of the largest and most consistent sources of domestic terror incidents in the United States for many years; they have murdered hundreds of people in this country over the last ten years alone. To date, there have not been any known antifa-related murders.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgroun ... are-antifa

Personally I hold the view that tyranny is the only "right" form of governance, however, i'm not going to go give anyone a brick to throw for that cause, nor try to make up faux political entities to prop it up, that's called being a fucking domestic terrorist and you should be executed for it behind the chemical shed and your family should be billed for the bullet, barrel wear and the gas for the excavator to bury you in a landfill.

Hm, very liberal. Also: https://bsos.umd.edu/featured-content/p ... st-attacks

First world countries don't need reactionaries that escalate to violence, that's for fucking dark ages and failed third world countries trying to claw up to some standard of living and equality.

So, right wing extremists and reactionaries don't actually exist in 1st world countries? Interesting. You should let more people know about that!

I will however fight you IRL for my political views being right if you are of sound mind and body, with weapons of your choosing to the last drop of blood or you giving up, if you absolutely have to prove me wrong.

Antifa makes fascism look good, every time they do anything people start to think "You know, if this is the anti-fascists, then maybe fascists are pretty decent people

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Actionb wrote:A lot of shit you raise is being addressed in the links I have given. I'm not quite sure how I should get through to you to be able to talk about it.