Re: 2k17 /pol/
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:44 am
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How are you so dense? Did pickle inspector do this to you?Bottom post of the previous page:
How are you so dense? Did pickle inspector do this to you?How much salt do you actually have?TheColdTurtle wrote:How are you so dense? Did pickle inspector do this to you?
Its extremely sad and frustrating that people slaughter each other in the name of religion. War, poverty and cruelty seem to be constant reminders of the darker side of humans. It seems it will continue ad finitum.CosmicScientist wrote:When will it end?
In other news, what do people think of Myanmar (formerly Burma) and its shenanigans? I know the hurricane is on everyone's mind and it's very sad that some islands have been pretty much stripped of infrastructure or enough to make pointless the remainder. That and Florida's still to come. But the ethnic migration/cleansing/thing sounds concerning even if it's to every Westerner's scapegoat religion if we ignore the far and alt right approach to matters.
ding ding ding we have a winner.XSI wrote:
Honestly the place was probably better off under colonialism, with the colonial power at least preventing such things like "Genocide" and "Warlords fighting and pillaging"
I wonder if that's because the entire system of government built in the colonies was to suit the extraction of natural resources and not for running a sovereign nation and instead of facilitating decolonisation European countries just left the region all at once and destabilised it to shit, whilst drawing country lines completely disregarding tribal affiliations.XSI wrote:Not saying that colonised places had a great old time back then
But they sure as fuck aren't having one now either
Besides, south-america turned out pretty alright as far as stability goes. Mostly. North-america is practically an example. As is Australia
It's an interesting discussion, but a hard one to have.Now all these benefits did not come on a platter. African paid a great price for it. Actually the benefits were overpriced. Many lives were lost, Africa lost it self-esteem and traditional African cultures were affected.
All these benefits were scraps that fell from the colonists' table.
tl;dr massive amounts of fence-sitting.they were actually doing them a service by conquering them.
If it was so shit being a coon in South Africa then why the fuck did all the Ungo Bungos migrate to SA?ColonicAcid wrote:I wonder if that's because the entire system of government built in the colonies was to suit the extraction of natural resources and not for running a sovereign nation and instead of facilitating decolonisation European countries just left the region all at once and destabilised it to shit, whilst drawing country lines completely disregarding tribal affiliations.XSI wrote:Not saying that colonised places had a great old time back then
But they sure as fuck aren't having one now either
Besides, south-america turned out pretty alright as far as stability goes. Mostly. North-america is practically an example. As is Australia
Nah it must be because those booga booga men aren't as SMART and as WISE as the whiteys.
Technically not. There were scattered small tribes of bushmen. Nomadic populations are still populationsMalkevin wrote: The Cape of Africa was unpopulated when the Dutch first arrived.
Absolutely no one is arguing this.ColonicAcid wrote:Sorry bman you're incorrect.
Population booms happened AFTER decolonosation not whilst under the yolk.
Sure? I'm not arguing otherwise.
bman wrote:"and inevitably caused the population boom."
Keyword inevitably, without the infrastructural development Africa would've remained difficult to inhabit (do you think that they had antibiotics before colonization?) and the population wouldn't have boomed in the first place.
As did GDP. It stayed virtually the same for all colonial states until they were freed and then it exploded.
Sure, almost because there was no need for local economy if all the resources are being exported without any returns?
The reason why Africa is so destabilized and has a low quality of living is not and never has been due to Europeans being smarter. Europeans were the sole driving force of science and commerce not because of a god given right and aNo one's saying this, Colonic, you're answering your own point.bigger brain but because of luck and position.
In fact, I predicted you doing this in my last post.
Europe also has ethnic conflict, look at Yugoslavia after it's breakup, so getting rubber necklaced by a different tribe isn't exactly solely just present in Africa. There's also very little need for the government of African nations to push for healthcare and increase standard of living for the very poor because unlike when we did it in the early 1900s there is zero need to do it now. Our economy has gone past the days of industrial production, financial and service sectors are the future, and you only need a small percentage of the population to increase your GDP to a near western level. Zimbabwe, Brazil, all these countries could invest significant amount of money on fixing poverty but that would be counter intuitive because the money gotten back is very little nowadays. Modern medicine allows you to live in a slum and still be relatively healthy. In the 1900s you had to leave the slums entirely because of antibiotics not being a thing. Regardless, it was also caused due to the need of healthy soldiers for total war, something we will probably never see again.bman wrote:I'm sure that colonic ignore this and continue to imply that what I'm saying is:ColonicAcid wrote:they were actually doing them a service by conquering them.
You just proved my point: Yes, there is no need to push for further development because Africa now has access to antibiotics in the first place. Africa now has a chance to compete for itself in the global market because they're not getting ravaged by disease, they even have technology to counter disease such as various pesticides and planes to spray said pesticides, now, I wonder how Africans have access to antibiotics and technology nowadays in the first place, hmm......
Trying to argue whether colonialism was good for the natives is a stupid argument predicted, because the end should never justify the means when it comes to human suffering and sovereignty. What you're stating is the 19th century viewpoint of the white man's burden predicted. It doesn't matter what benefits it brought to the natives either at the current times or after. It was abhorrent and has caused issues that still lay the foundations for problems to this day.
Sure, and that's a very safe viewpoint that I don't really disagree with or contest, but the notion that Africa did not benefit from colonialism is objectively false.
You're all supporting this notion because you, surprise surprise, come from countries that did the colonizing and not from the colonised. You're basically arguing "slavery was actually really beneficial for the slaves.".
Good job assuming everyone's nationality, Colonic.
Yes don't try and weasel your way out by saying "but ackshyally it wasn't slavery :^)))))" because colonialism was slavery that instead of shipping them to America you pay then quite literally nothing and work them to near death.
Well what else were they supposed to do? "Congratulation you're your own man now, oh by the way here are all the atrocities we committed against your people for the past decades, no hard feelings!" It was either full disclosure or peaceful decolonisation. Disclosure would've resulted in a pretty bad break-up, I'm talking "angry ex trashes your apartment and keys your car" kind of bad break-upColonicAcid wrote:Also we don't really know the full crimes against humanity commited by the British Empire because funnily enough as the British were in the process of decolonisation they white washed the entire thing and destroyed massive amounts of documents in this little operation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Legacy
oh looks its colonic nitpicking a single part of my post.ColonicAcid wrote:oh look its bman taking something i said in general as a personal statement towards him
let me make this clear buddy because this is really hard for you to get apparantly.
if im talking to you, i wouldve said your name multiple times, the first statement was directed to you, the others were not.
i'm not really assuming identity, i can count the amount of asian or africans that played on this server on one hand. the only small majority of people that haven't done any colonisation is the balkans to which there aren't many people and south american which also there aren't that many people.
a very large majority of the population of this server are either North American or Western European, all of which have colonised a whole lot of the world.
How is this "a personal statement towards me", are you special?Good job assuming >>>>everyone's<<<< nationality, Colonic.
In South Sudan if you have the wrong FACIAL SCARS and you're in the WRONG TERRITORY you get killed.ShadowDimentio wrote:Africa being a shithole is largely a result of colonialism, but also because it's chock full of a lot of groups of people that fucking hate each other.
at least in places that arent ghettos :::^^^^))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) it's a fucking joke smell a banterShadowDimentio wrote:The US and eastern Europe hasn't descended into tribal warfare though
bloods and clocksCosmicScientist wrote:But the telleh told me if you wear the wrong colour shirt and shoes in Murica, on the wrong side of town, you get shot by the most edgelord named WoW Raid clans black gangs.
uh nope, wasn't directed at you, doesn't have your name, i was arguing to other people, you know the people who did say that colonialism was a good thing. you are not the only person here bman, cease the narcissism because i dont believe in solipism and you're not the only one posting about colonialism.bman wrote:bman wrote:I'm sure that colonic ignore this and continue to imply that what I'm saying is:ColonicAcid wrote:they were actually doing them a service by conquering them.
congrats, you predicted my arguements, unfortunately they still werent aimed at you. your name is only in the first part, if I wanted to direct anything at you i would state your name when i said it.bman wrote:Trying to argue whether colonialism was good for the natives is a stupid argument predicted, because the end should never justify the means when it comes to human suffering and sovereignty. What you're stating is the 19th century viewpoint of the white man's burden predicted. It doesn't matter what benefits it brought to the natives either at the current times or after. It was abhorrent and has caused issues that still lay the foundations for problems to this day.
that's a real cool opinion you got there, unfortunately once again wasn't talking to you but as a general statement, because knowing the people that visit this website someone WILL say that colonialism wasn't slavery. whether you want to argue if anyone will ever say that you can, it won't change my opinion that there are people here dumb enough to believe that.bman wrote:Yes don't try and weasel your way out by saying "but ackshyally it wasn't slavery :^)))))" because colonialism was slavery that instead of shipping them to America you pay then quite literally nothing and work them to near death.
Absolutely no one is arguing this.
And in northern ireland if you are a known catholic and you go into a protestant area you're going to get killed as well. In fact I know of a person who got literally lynched for writing a graffiti of "God Fuck the Queen" in a protestant area. The only reason that there isn't as much violence in Europe is that we are homogenised.bman wrote: In South Sudan if you have the wrong FACIAL SCARS and you're in the WRONG TERRITORY you get killed.
THERE IS STILL NO ONE ARGUING THIS, NAME ME A PERSON.ColonicAcid wrote:see this is why you need to work on your reading comprehension.
its okay, i know the education system can sometimes leave people behind, here ill highlight some parts where you took things i said generally as if i was responding to you:
uh nope, wasn't directed at you, doesn't have your name, i was arguing to other people, you know the people who did say that colonialism was a good thing. you are not the only person here bman, cease the narcissism >colonic telling me to stop being a narcissist because i dont believe in solipism and you're not the only one posting about colonialism.bman wrote:bman wrote:I'm sure that colonic ignore this and continue to imply that what I'm saying is:ColonicAcid wrote:they were actually doing them a service by conquering them.
THERE IS STILL NO ONE ARGUING THIS, NAME ME A PERSON.
congrats, you predicted my arguements, unfortunately they still werent aimed at you. your name is only in the first part, if I wanted to direct anything at you i would state your name when i said it.bman wrote:Trying to argue whether colonialism was good for the natives is a stupid argument predicted, because the end should never justify the means when it comes to human suffering and sovereignty. What you're stating is the 19th century viewpoint of the white man's burden predicted. It doesn't matter what benefits it brought to the natives either at the current times or after. It was abhorrent and has caused issues that still lay the foundations for problems to this day.
THERE IS STILL NO ONE ARGUING THIS, NAME ME A PERSON.
that's a real cool opinion you got there, unfortunately once again wasn't talking to you but as a general statement, because knowing the people that visit this website someone WILL say that colonialism wasn't slavery. whether you want to argue if anyone will ever say that you can, it won't change my opinion that there are people here dumb enough to believe that.bman wrote:Yes don't try and weasel your way out by saying "but ackshyally it wasn't slavery :^)))))" because colonialism was slavery that instead of shipping them to America you pay then quite literally nothing and work them to near death.
Absolutely no one is arguing this.
ColonicAcid wrote:that's a real cool opinion you got there, unfortunately once again wasn't talking to you but as a general statement, because knowing the people that visit this website someone WILL say that colonialism wasn't slavery. whether you want to argue if anyone will ever say that you can, it won't change my opinion that there are people here dumb enough to believe that.
youre actually a cherry berry retard jesus christ
"There is racism, you just don't see it."someone WILL say that colonialism wasn't slavery
*the rock passes through me it was a hologram*ColonicAcid wrote:-me catches the rock and then does a frontflip using the momentum to throw the rock back at crag at the speed of mach 3-
heh....................
[youtube]NuceZlimnNE[/youtube]>i literally state that i know it hasnt been said but i know for a fact there are people who think this in this forum.
look at the rock again.... its a heat seeking missile... its smelled your bloodSuper Aggro Crag wrote:*the rock passes through me it was a hologram*
Hmph...*folds arms* they told me you were better...
motherfucker i have played on this server for nearly 6 years i know exactly the type of retards that inhibit this place.bman wrote:[youtube]NuceZlimnNE[/youtube]>i literally state that i know it hasnt been said but i know for a fact there are people who think this in this forum.