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ShadowDimentio wrote:>Because America took a while to end slavery democracy is shit

You're actually retarded

Simple question: In what alternate system would slavery have been ended sooner

Constitutional Monarchy as it turned out.

Edit: The southern states, unsurprisingly, did not vote to end slavery but instead actually voted to secede from the union (for lots of other reasons aside from slavery), as was their constitutional prerogative.
It took an unconstitutional invasion of the northern states to stop that and by proxy end slavery in the south. I don't know what you'd call that but it certainly wasn't democracy.


And neither was the Royal Navy blowing the shit out of Zanzibar for that matter. I strongly doubt the Arabs and strong Blacks voted for that.

Royalty is obsolete and must go. I still can't believe that like more than half european states are still ruled by a monarch

CosmicScientist wrote:

Grazyn wrote:Royalty is obsolete and must go. I still can't believe that like more than half european states are still ruled by a monarch

Ahem. Ours is called Lizzie and she's a lovely house cat, however unlike a house cat she isn't our oppressor, that's left to the conservatives. If she dies, we might struggle to enjoy the next one enough to keep it though.

Things have never gone well with a monarch named Charles.

Its okay, he'll die first or only reign for a few years before with get another William or Harold.

Here's a pro-read for people wanting to look into why people voted the way they did.

I'd suggest reading the whole thing 'cause it goes into Trump's popularity now, the success of Blair/Clinton back then and so on and it's generally interesting read, but the tl;dr is basically...

"if the entire basis of your campaign is to call the people who disagree with you racist moron bigots, then that's not a very effective method of persuading them to vote for you instead"

Well it helps when your opponent is all those things openly without any tact.

But Trump isn't racist

He has been baiting the news and his opponents into saying he is though

So that he can slam them for it when he later explains his stance in a non-racist way

Well I still haven't heard his argument backed with facts and figures as to why he requires a wall to be built on the border of mexico other than "they look brown and speak in a funny language".

Now let us look at the meaning of racist:

So, why does he feel that he requires the heterogenization of American culture to not include any Mexicans? Is it because he feels perhaps that American culture is too great to be "mixed" with a lesser country's population? What basis does his campaign of "Make America Great Again" come from? Is it because he wishes to make America great so it can be more charitable? No, we all know the answer to that, it's his self belief that America, but more specifically White, Christian Americans are being sidelined to the "ethnics" and suprise suprise majority of his voterbase are disenfranchised white middle income median voters who slurp on the prerogative that Trump is their saviour. He's a populist at heart, and a demagogue to boot. He has no political or ethical basis for any of his decisions and most, if not all of his actions are based on the fact that America and Americans are greater than everyone else, but put down by -Insert Ethnic Race here-. He can't scapegoat the black community, they've been scapegoated throughout most of American History and after the Civil Rights movement it's a taboo movement to even mention them in any sort of way as a "problem" for American society. You know what Ethnic races have no such taboos? Muslims and Mexicans. No suprises that both of these are the ethnicity taking most of the brunt of Trump's rambling xenophobia. Spice it up with some good old China scaring as they overtake you in virtually every field and boy you have a racist demagogue prying on the public's fears.

But I mean you can try and pull at straws that this "isn't really the meaning of racism to the dictionary definition!" and if you told me that to try and justify your stupid shit in real life I would probably shrug and agree. Before I planted my fist into your stupid, retarded and smug looking face. To hide a rampant civil problem behind just "It's not the true meaning of the adjective used to describe it!!!" is cowardly beyond belief. That's the type of shit that the suburban white kid says when he tries to justify his racism, but at the end of the day, that's probably all you are. You've never faced discrimination in your entire life, majority of you haven't, and yet you try and argue to people that "this really isn't racism, and this really isn't a problem, and honestly I think you're over reacting.".

You're like a bunch of 20/20 visioned people complaining about being able to see to a room full of blind people. Don't act like you have any moral throne to stand up and say what is and isn't racism or prejudice. You haven't faced it once in your entire sheltered life.

Trump could be a closet budha but he openly makes racist statements and supports racist policy.

Baiting is the most piss poor excuse for public behaviour i ever heard.

He's on podiums not 4chan.

He does get more support on 4chan than he does on the podium however...

And for that very reason he will never be president.

ColonicAcid wrote:Well I still haven't heard his argument backed with facts and figures as to why he requires a wall to be built on the border of mexico other than "they look brown and speak in a funny language".

Clearly you've not been paying attention to his speeches then
Illegal immigration is harmful to a nation for a shitton of reasons. And that is why he wants the wall.

XSI wrote:

ColonicAcid wrote:Well I still haven't heard his argument backed with facts and figures as to why he requires a wall to be built on the border of mexico other than "they look brown and speak in a funny language".

Clearly you've not been paying attention to his speeches then
Illegal immigration is harmful to a nation for a shitton of reasons. And that is why he wants the wall.

is this like the whole thing when everyone's quoting Gove as saying the people of the country are "sick of experts", when if you actually watch the fucking interview they're quoting he pretty clearly says "sick of experts getting it wrong", but the interviewer talked over him for the second half of the sentence.

It was a dig at Heseltine and the like who'd been loudly proclaiming that the UK would be left behind if it didn't join the single currency for years, then was mysteriously quiet on the subject when the eurozone crisis happened. (as if you needed an excuse to take a dig at Heseltine)

Oh please. The entirety of Gove's and johnson's campaign was about the fact they were sick of experts. Regardless of context it was what they were propagating. I mean for fuck sakes Boris misquoted a study about immigration and current trends that he didn't even read and was thoroughly put in his place by Alex Salmond on question time about it. They disregarded all and any economic experts opinion and projections as "project fear". They were not sick of experts getting it wrong. They were sick of expertsome ruining their chances of becoming prime minister.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't a number of the pro-brexit politicians now backing out of things they (or the anonymous political machines they are involved with) promised they'd do if Britain left the EU, some of which backing down within less than a day?

After Boris Johnson, Farage too says "kthxbye" and exits stage left

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 18626.html

Sink the ship, steal a lifeboat and sail away

Well on the bright side, Poland and a whole bunch of Eastern European countries said they'd break up the entire EU if the EU was going to try to punish the UK for leaving

So there is that. I do like seeing the EU in this situation. Fuckers deserve it

The East thinks it can influence us.

This is hilarious.

Serbia strong

Edit: Maybe their plan is to give all rapefugees EU passports and a train ticket to Germany/France, that'd be ironic - Poland deporting people to Germany.

Malkevin wrote:Serbia strong

Edit: Maybe their plan is to give all rapefugees EU passports and a train ticket to Germany/France, that'd be ironic - Poland deporting people to Germany.

Not a problem.
As discovered the last time we had a comparable refugee influx (90s, post-Soviet breakup), only a tenth stay and the majority who do are highly educated and as such beneficial to the economy.

Science team was too privileged. Google fixed it for you

I'm sure the cleaners were celebrating too

Probably. It all blends together after a while

Into a smoothie of shitting on everything and everyone

We need to stop making concessions to beardkin.

These beastmen should be purged by holy fire.

BTW, did anyone think of a Flux Capacitor when they first saw that google banner?

Another day, another shooting

With each day and each shooting, political agendas grow more and more blatant and the populous grows ever more reactionary and ignorant.

Thus is fate.

Word is that ISIS is using BLM as a cover, because those shooter tactics used on the cops were not gangbanger tactics.

I don't really see the logic of that anyone isis affiliated would have shot the crowd too.

I have to go to Dallas today. I live in Louisiana, too.

Gonna be fun. Pray for me.

Incomptinence wrote:I don't really see the logic of that anyone isis affiliated would have shot the crowd too.

Training.

You don't just have 4 hoodrats buy rifles and use moves like that. It takes training and experience to stay cool under fire and juke like they did.

What's sad is one of the officers killed had just gotten married too.

Oh where else other than the johny come lately genocidal maniacs middle fucking east could people in the worlds most militant nation get military knowledge?

What's next attributing art of war to the fucking prophet muhammad?

Just saying, I find that extremely unlikely. Possible maybe but fucking barely.

So you're saying 4 ex-military guys just got together and decided to fuck up cops?

I wouldn't say ex military but it can be fucking taught or learned or whatever the fucking shit.

It's firearms not fucking voodoo.

Incomptinence wrote:I wouldn't say ex military but it can be fucking taught or learned or whatever the fucking shit.

It's firearms not fucking voodoo.

It's not the aiming, it's the tactics, the footwork, controlling yourself in a close=quarters firefight. I don't think you realize how dumb or clumsy you are when on adrenaline. They knew exactly how to exploit the cops lack of training.

Go watch the clip of the cop being juked if you haven't. If you can't understand that after seeing that horror, you're just choosing to play dumb.

I'm looking but there is a mountain of different footage.

Incomptinence wrote:I'm looking but there is a mountain of different footage.

[youtube]_Ft_INPi1_U[/youtube]

Sure it is some sort of training.

I will agree on that much.

"Black Power" movements are not unused to islamic affiliations (Nation of Islam, Malcolm X etc.), Islam can easily spread throughout a disenfranchised angry community and I can see ISIS recruit among the convertees

I am confused, are you arguing that these guys with elite training could not have been from anywhere but isis? Do isis soldiers engaged in the middle east ever show this level of training and skill?

No, it's that ISIS does have ties to BLM and they'll do anything they can to cause shit in the US.

One shooter ID'd, ex-mil.

Grazyn wrote:"Black Power" movements are not unused to islamic affiliations (Nation of Islam, Malcolm X etc.), Islam can easily spread throughout a disenfranchised angry community and I can see ISIS recruit among the convertees

And the reason they do that is because evil whitey christians bought their ancestors.

Completely ignorant of the fact it was the muslims that sold the niggers to us in the first place.

Shitcurity, qm emagged a gun crate.

/pol/ says, Obama blamed it on guns. Again.

By the way, were any of the shot cops black?

Guess Uncle Tom's life doesn't matter.

This is shooter's facebook page.
https://i.sli.mg/aqKL3i.png
I WONDER WHAT MIGHT HAVE MOTIVATED HIM

Magic melanin.

The amusing thing of american african descendants is that they don't even bother investigating their own heritage
>Nubian Roots culture center

The great majority of slaves brought to America were western African, the Nubians are eastern African. They are an entirely different culture, heritage, and people.
Shit, Africa has so many different tribes and cultures, even when divided into larger groups like Eastern Africans, western, southern, etc, that the great majority of these people in the US right now have no idea of their ancestors actual culture.

Though to be fair, chances are that their ancestors culture was burned, pillaged and looted by whoever sold them into slavery anyway, so there isn't much left to find

nubian has pretty much turned into a catchall term for people who kind of care about their heritage but not enough to do any research the same way most whites just use aryan as a catchall or people who say they're 1/64th native american because they heard at a family reunion their great great grandaddy might have been eskimo brothers with an indian dude during the gold rush