Re: 2k17 /pol/
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:50 am
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You guys (cosmic especially) need to start putting tl/dr on your postsBottom post of the previous page:
You guys (cosmic especially) need to start putting tl/dr on your postsI made, and continue to make, no statements about that.ShadowDimentio wrote:It's still an organization that a military officer has no business being anywhere near.Drynwyn wrote:It would be fair to say, of course, that a large number of Antifa members support the overthrow of the US government- but I don't think it's fair to claim that about the movement as a whole.
No, instead you're defending position based on arbitrary criteria for what can and cannot define a group position.Drynwyn wrote:I made, and continue to make, no statements about that.ShadowDimentio wrote:It's still an organization that a military officer has no business being anywhere near.Drynwyn wrote:It would be fair to say, of course, that a large number of Antifa members support the overthrow of the US government- but I don't think it's fair to claim that about the movement as a whole.
I fail to see how the criteria you have proposed are any less arbitrary. Or rather, not proposed, as you've said that Antifa is X but have not defined any basis upon which you might make that claim.cedarbridge wrote:No, instead you're defending position based on arbitrary criteria for what can and cannot define a group position.Drynwyn wrote:I made, and continue to make, no statements about that.ShadowDimentio wrote:It's still an organization that a military officer has no business being anywhere near.Drynwyn wrote:It would be fair to say, of course, that a large number of Antifa members support the overthrow of the US government- but I don't think it's fair to claim that about the movement as a whole.
I mean, I can see how you might think that was an argument that proved your position tenable if we lived in some sort of weird zero-sum world made of sophistry where my lack of detail regarding my definitions criteria removed your own position's need for justification. If I were to suggest an equally arbitrary criterion, both would be similarly useless. Wherein you admit or at least choose not to refute that your criterion is arbitrary we can then accept that it does no good in allowing us to frame group-held positions. You do this after, with a straight face, asserting that approximately 60% of German Bolshevik (Antifa) party members were communist because reasons I guess? What we've been trying to get to you is, when you attempt to reduce group action and group motive to a series of individual characteristics where the exception disproves the rule, you have a case where group action or group intention cannot exist because 1) the supposed leader is disputed by a member of the group and therefore his choices, positions, actions do not represent the whole and cannot be ascribed to the whole vis a vis your framework. 2) literally every member of a group will be different by definition even in a case where each member of the group were a carbon copy clone of the one before it. This is because groups are composed of humans. If the assumption is t define group agency and group intention then you've set up a rubric where the group cannot act because each group is really a collective of microgroups equal to the number of members plus any interrelationary associations between said microgroups.Drynwyn wrote:I fail to see how the criteria you have proposed are any less arbitrary. Or rather, not proposed, as you've said that Antifa is X but have not defined any basis upon which you might make that claim.cedarbridge wrote:No, instead you're defending position based on arbitrary criteria for what can and cannot define a group position.Drynwyn wrote:I made, and continue to make, no statements about that.ShadowDimentio wrote:It's still an organization that a military officer has no business being anywhere near.Drynwyn wrote:It would be fair to say, of course, that a large number of Antifa members support the overthrow of the US government- but I don't think it's fair to claim that about the movement as a whole.
If that is the case, I could reasonably condemn: Democrats, Republicans, /tg/ station admins, career politicians, people with a net worth in excess of 500 million, police officers, Antifa, black people, white people, asian people, and quite possibly the human race in general, depending on what you define to be "a fair chunk."ShadowDimentio wrote:Because just because some people in a group aren't bad, when a fair chunk of them are it reflects poorly on the group as a whole, and there's no reason to not condemn a group based on the actions of the people in it.
>implying that you yourself know you existAnonmare wrote:>Implying Humanity is real
>Implying that any of you are real
>Implying that I'm not the only person who really exists and isn't a mindless automaton who acts like it exists
Step it up
Most of those groups aren't groups thoughDrynwyn wrote:If that is the case, I could reasonably condemn: Democrats, Republicans, /tg/ station admins, career politicians, people with a net worth in excess of 500 million, police officers, Antifa, black people, white people, asian people, and quite possibly the human race in general, depending on what you define to be "a fair chunk."ShadowDimentio wrote:Because just because some people in a group aren't bad, when a fair chunk of them are it reflects poorly on the group as a whole, and there's no reason to not condemn a group based on the actions of the people in it.
All you know for sure is that SOMETHING exists, you can't say for sure it's you!Anonmare wrote:In order to even consider that I don't myself exist, I have to be able to exist in order to refute my own existence
Descartes was a moron.Drynwyn wrote:All you know for sure is that SOMETHING exists, you can't say for sure it's you!Anonmare wrote:In order to even consider that I don't myself exist, I have to be able to exist in order to refute my own existence
Descartes was like Plato- he was a very clever person who's notability is only slightly diminished by the fact that he was wrong about everything!cedarbridge wrote:Descartes was a moron.Drynwyn wrote:All you know for sure is that SOMETHING exists, you can't say for sure it's you!Anonmare wrote:In order to even consider that I don't myself exist, I have to be able to exist in order to refute my own existence
The government does it all the time. Which group is un-American now bitchesSuper Aggro Crag wrote:Its pretty amazing how much you can get away with if you just label anyone you target a bad guy
Fixedcaptain sawrge wrote:Antifa is right on the fact that all non-whites should be dragged into the street and have their brains insanely caved in with large heavy objects and if you disagree you are absolutely part of the JIDF
Once your net worth breaches a billion you stop feeling love and human emotions anywaySuper Aggro Crag wrote:We really need someone to invent a zombification gas so we can fucking beat and shoot people to death in the streets with no contentious political motivation behind it because killing zombies is more socially acceptable than killing loving peeps
Itd get a lot of aggression out
No this will you look big and threateninglntigracy wrote:If a riot happens, find the nearest officer and hold your hands in the air as you ask for help.
No this will make you look small and shifty.Malkevin wrote:No this will you look big and threateninglntigracy wrote:If a riot happens, find the nearest officer and hold your hands in the air as you ask for help.
Keep your hands behind your back so they can cuff you easier
WEXSI wrote:(Like Egyptians being black)
If a bunch of LARPing commies is enough to make you fear for your life, its time to reevaluate your life.Grazyn wrote:Every viewpoint is worth listening to
Not every viewpoint is worth risking your life just for listening to it
Seriously, don't place yourself in harm's way if you can avoid it.
Last time larping commies fought larping nazis a car plowed into a crowd and a guy fired his handgun at someone with a flamethrower.cedarbridge wrote:If a bunch of LARPing commies is enough to make you fear for your life, its time to reevaluate your life.Grazyn wrote:Every viewpoint is worth listening to
Not every viewpoint is worth risking your life just for listening to it
Seriously, don't place yourself in harm's way if you can avoid it.