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Jaredfogle wrote:i just imagined a world where that pr was merged and now I'm REALLY mad. wtf coders

Timonk wrote:I just imagined a world where i pounded terranauts mom and now we're married wtf

SinfulBliss wrote:balance =! better.
Balance/nerf/removal is only needed when some specific feature/mechanic breaks the game over and over again. It isn't needed when something is quite rare.

sinfulbliss wrote:OK the gatruit removal was a bad example. But my point was just:

SinfulBliss wrote:balance =! better.
Balance/nerf/removal is only needed when some specific feature/mechanic breaks the game over and over again. It isn't needed when something is quite rare.

Take the tdome armor as the example if you want, it was something which didn't ever interfere with the flow of the game but was nerfed for balance reasons.

sinfulbliss wrote:OK the gatruit removal was a bad example.

Kendrickorium wrote:

Jaredfogle wrote:i must come clean that i accused timonk of not reading the thread, after forgetting he already replied

Cobby wrote:I’m hoping it’s not the old items that just made you win with 1 shot

Armhulen wrote:Also having been from that era (even if the late end of it) I remember the true and real paranoia feel but also like it was just straight up bullshit. the only agency you have against it is being near people and so if you go anywhere on your own and i literally mean anywhere since it could just be a hallway (this is stupid) you can be instakilled + gibbed in 5 seconds with zero interaction.

and don't give me that "you had to stay away from people" everyone was running around at mach 5 back then so fat chance

Armhulen wrote:Also having been from that era (even if the late end of it) I remember the true and real paranoia feel but also like it was just straight up bullshit. the only agency you have against it is being near people and so if you go anywhere on your own and i literally mean anywhere since it could just be a hallway (this is stupid) you can be instakilled + gibbed in 5 seconds with zero interaction.

and don't give me that "you had to stay away from people" everyone was running around at mach 5 back then so fat chance

MMMiracles wrote:

Armhulen wrote:Also having been from that era (even if the late end of it) I remember the true and real paranoia feel but also like it was just straight up bullshit. the only agency you have against it is being near people and so if you go anywhere on your own and i literally mean anywhere since it could just be a hallway (this is stupid) you can be instakilled + gibbed in 5 seconds with zero interaction.

and don't give me that "you had to stay away from people" everyone was running around at mach 5 back then so fat chance

bro what do you mean, don't you remember being genuinely terrified of any semi-competent CMO that'd fill their hypo with chloral hydrate for an instant knockout with zero counterplay? or a chemist with a syringe gun and trekchems that took like 2 minutes to mix up your local death batch

what about old-lings with funny things like being able to queue up para/silence sting so you literally could not react if you were remotely alone, or ranged deathsting that required you to carry dexalin on you at all times or be dead in like 15-20 seconds

uh, what about when c4 would outright gib you if someone attached it to you/made you hold it as it went off, usually paired with a parapen so you could literally walk up to someone in a group and remove them from the round before anyone reacted

spammable ebows, stun gloves with tiny hand sprites you could hide easily, secborgs with ranged tasers, welder bombs gibbing corpses in a 3x3 area, random space making your corpse getting chucked even more of a round-ender, ect...

terranaut wrote:weapons were generally more potent the stealthier they way and the way to avoid being killed (the boring traitors choice of kill objective completion was parapen c4 and changelings being parasting) was to be in a crowd of people where you'd be far less likely to be grabbed and dragged into maint only to be gone forever. this also generally lead to more rp while people worked on jobs or projects together. traitors who wanted a killing spree had to do so with an esword that was okay but without the plethora of combat buffs available just to crew (potent drugs, genetic enhancements, items from ruins or research and possibly other power creep available to everyone i'm not aware of), plus the antag power creep with other potent combat options (+more tc, changeling points, etc).

basically the best way to kill a stealth antag was to stay in a group and combat antags would still generally die to a well executed slip or table grab into toolbox and i think thats much more interestind dynamic and more fun than everyone having fireaxes, spears, space and asteroid ruin gear, researched guns and what have you.
even then beign shot by a syndie with a revolver would mean you just take 60 brute which can be fixed with a brute pack, some pills or a trip to the sleeper.

Kendrickorium wrote:

Omega_DarkPotato wrote:dont tell the people you're going to kill (ided pr lol) but radioactive microlaser is a one-shot-one-kill on a target that's on their own and you can guarantee will be on their own for the next 30 seconds
20 second wait time after a scan, and then 15 seconds of unconsciousness

it's very easy to drag a body that's about to become a corpse into maint with 15 seconds
it's just that now you have to add in the slightest bit of strategy or creative thinking for using it and you can't run into a crowd, pop it, and then run away with a kill already confirmed.


stealth weapons are fun.

Kel wrote:

Omega_DarkPotato wrote:dont tell the people you're going to kill (ided pr lol) but radioactive microlaser is a one-shot-one-kill on a target that's on their own and you can guarantee will be on their own for the next 30 seconds
20 second wait time after a scan, and then 15 seconds of unconsciousness

it's very easy to drag a body that's about to become a corpse into maint with 15 seconds
it's just that now you have to add in the slightest bit of strategy or creative thinking for using it and you can't run into a crowd, pop it, and then run away with a kill already confirmed.


stealth weapons are fun.

literally every time someone med scans outside of medbay 4nr me i assume its a microlaser and go to medbay though

Kel wrote:Trying to chase balance perfection by stamping out whatever is currently strongest will not only never work, it also facilitates a true meta wherein only a SINGLE strategy is the most effective at a time (and will probably be nerfed within the month, spawning a new one in turn)

terranaut wrote:STOP TRYING TO BALANCE FOR PVP COMBAT YOU MOUTHBREATHERS

Shadowflame909 wrote:

terranaut wrote:STOP TRYING TO BALANCE FOR PVP COMBAT YOU MOUTHBREATHERS

This is why Hulk is a broken limbed Turkey instead of a ferocious out of control monster

Bring back Hulk!! Not broken arm greytide!!

PKPenguin321 wrote:Among Us unironically builds a better sense of paranoia and tension than SS13 and it doesn't really even have a combat system, just a click-and-you're-dead type thing

Armhulen wrote:everyone was running around at mach 5 back then so fat chance

sinfulbliss wrote:If you end up balancing everything perfectly you end up with a very fair yet very boring game. It's good to have jank, so long as the jank isn't the same jank every single round.

iksyp wrote:ss13s combat is inherently limited so its hard to create a satisfying melee combat system
ranged combat works well because you just point, click, take cover, and dodge. you can target limbs to try and wound them to slow down your enemy and such for non lethal approaches and its just very nice
melee is in a weird state where you have to risk yourself to beat your enemy and there's not really any way to beat them without critting them, the rest of the game doesn't gel well with it, being top down, grid based, and laggy
i enjoyed hardstuns more than the stamina stuff (i haven't actively played for awhile so idk what its like now)

Rohesie wrote:/vg/ still has these features, no stun combat removal there.
Paradise to an extent as well, last I checked.
Not sure about goon, but heard something on their combat being like that. Don't have first hand experience to confirm.
It's not like these things have merely stopped existing, now, is it?

terranaut wrote:

Rohesie wrote:/vg/ still has these features, no stun combat removal there.
Paradise to an extent as well, last I checked.
Not sure about goon, but heard something on their combat being like that. Don't have first hand experience to confirm.
It's not like these things have merely stopped existing, now, is it?

I dislike the rules and community of Paradise and Goon way too much to even consider playing there.