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Re: Tell me
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:25 am
by miggles
Some weird obscure website called Google wrote:Freedom is a state of being capable of making decisions without external control.
Liberty, on the other hand, is freedom which has been granted to a people by an external control.
Re: Tell me
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:27 pm
by ColonicAcid
Yes that's called semantics.
It's part of all modern linguistic studies worldwide.
Even polish.
Re: Tell me
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:56 pm
by Steelpoint
From what I've been told, mostly Asian languages are the hardest languages for English speakers to learn. I think Japanese is the hardest language to learn of the bunch.
English is a great language for a bunch of reasons, such as having the greatest versatility of any other language due to English having the largest vocabulary of any other language, the fact that English is usually seen as the dominate 'internet' language and a whole bunch of other historical and practical reasons.
English may be simple, but that makes it very effective.
Re: Tell me
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:21 pm
by QuartzCrystal
How is that a pointless separation?
The concept of liberty has sources in the vast majority of human development in which freedom was hampered but not in a literal way. Being physically chained is a limiting of my literal freedom, yet social norms, laws or even simply power of any kind (particularly authoritative) do not limit my freedom, but do limit my liberty. The entire question of how much liberty ought to be afforded to individuals has been the basis of countless wars, revolutions and political and philosophical treatises.
English just has two separate words for it, while other languages do as well some require a bit more context for the two separate concepts to be conveyed.
Re: Tell me
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:26 pm
by ColonicAcid
liberté égalité fraternité
Re: Tell me
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:51 pm
by bockman22
English is hardest to learn with all teh rules and stuff. Japanese is hard aswell with all the characters, but my mom says English is alot harder to her.
Re: Tell me
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:42 pm
by ColonicAcid
Violaceus wrote:Don't tell me about polish, language too hard for any english speakers. We have like 8/24 words for every single english word (it depends if its related with gender or not), our language is far more subtle and you know what?
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English also has 8 to 24 words for each word as well.
A thesaurus isn't just used in your country y'know.
Re: Tell me
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:50 pm
by Remie Richards
bockman22 wrote:Japanese is hard aswell with all the characters
Steelpoint wrote:I think Japanese is the hardest language to learn of the bunch
Japanese really isn't that hard.
The only hard part is Kanji, cos they're like 2000+ in active usage.
Kana is easy, there's only 52 characters, each character is 2 latin/english letters.
Then you just have to remember what letters turn into different letters,
Like T becomes D and H becomes B etc.
and then all the rules of where you place things.
oh and extended vowels and consonants.
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:43 pm
by Ricotez
English is really fucking hard because for every grammatical rule, there's two dozen exceptions and special cases.
Re: Tell me
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:16 pm
by Malkevin
ColonicAcid wrote:Violaceus wrote:Don't tell me about polish, language too hard for any english speakers. We have like 8/24 words for every single english word (it depends if its related with gender or not), our language is far more subtle and you know what?
>
English also has 8 to 24 words for each word as well.
A thesaurus isn't just used in your country y'know.
Also dialectal differences.
There are a dozen different names for this:
In Yorkshire alone
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:31 pm
by Malkevin
A dozen different names for a loaf of bread.
A
LOAF
OF BREAD
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:36 pm
by QuartzCrystal
>thread starts with OP asking for the difference between two concepts
>disregards answer, assumes there's no difference and attributes it to language
>philosophy graduate (me) comes in and further explains it
>LOL LANGUAGE IS SO WEIRD AND HARD GUYS
This isn't a fucking language distinction. It's two different concepts.
UGH YOU NON PHILOSOPHERS ALWAYS GET BOGGED DOWN WITH STUPID IDEAS.
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:48 pm
by ColonicAcid
Levo ergo sum.
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:29 am
by Big Faggot
hey buddy, friend, can i ask you a question?
whats it like to be the niggers of europe polack.
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:59 am
by Munchlax
i would say the greek are the real niggers of europe but whatever
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:10 am
by miggles
are you serious
slavs are the niggers of europe
greece is like the south of europe
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:31 am
by Malkevin
You know Quartz, philosophy is a fake qualification, like basket weaving
Re: Tell me
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:38 am
by kosmos
Violaceus wrote:I am not talking about synonims, but... instances.
For example, in english there is word Pole, describing member of my nation (not fucking pollack)
One word.
In polish it is:
polak
polaka
polakowi
polaka
polakiem
polaku
And female:
polka
polki
polce
polkę
polką
polko
12 words.
In Finnish language that number is 2253.
Seriously you can bend a word in 2253 different ways and they're all valid, although most very rare, but recognizable to all Finnish speakers. For example "kauppasikin" (kauppa-a-si-kin ILL SG SG2 KIN) would be "your shop also".
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:38 pm
by QuartzCrystal
Malkevin wrote:You know Quartz, philosophy is a fake qualification, like basket weaving
What does that make linguistics?
Re: Tell me
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:10 pm
by peoplearestrange
Sure, but you can do that in English, change a words inflection, or the subtext due to previous or preceding words and a word such as "Fuck" can have so many different meanings. It's just we don't change a word ending to show this in written text (hence why sarcasm is incredibly hard to notice/say in text form).
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:05 pm
by Malkevin
QuartzCrystal wrote:Malkevin wrote:You know Quartz, philosophy is a fake qualification, like basket weaving
What does that make linguistics?
Linguistics is the study of nuances and history of written and spoken languages, a bit of a mixture history, archaeology, and psychology.
Philosophy is for tweed jacket wearing oddballs that aren't smart enough for a real science
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:24 pm
by QuartzCrystal
Malkevin wrote:QuartzCrystal wrote:Malkevin wrote:You know Quartz, philosophy is a fake qualification, like basket weaving
What does that make linguistics?
Linguistics is the study of nuances and history of written and spoken languages, a bit of a mixture history, archaeology, and psychology.
Philosophy is for tweed jacket wearing oddballs that aren't smart enough for a real science
lolok
Re: "Tell me" - elaborate language discussion
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:47 pm
by Whoisthere
I wish I could speak using :b in real life.
It would make everything so much easier.
Re: Tell me
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:51 pm
by Kavaloosh
Violaceus wrote:Don't tell me about polish, language too hard for any english speakers. We have like 8/24 words for every single english word (it depends if its related with gender or not), our language is far more subtle and you know what?
We are thinking in that language, you simple minded people who think in engrish.
>says english has pointless words
>that whole post