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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:03 am #434168

the russian attacks are pretty much government sanctioned tho
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Grazyn » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:33 am #434169

DemonFiren wrote:the russian attacks are pretty much government sanctioned tho

If Putin/Trump attacks a person/group in a speech, and then that person/group is physically aattacked by unrelated lowlife, you still can't say the attack was government-sanctioned. Even after the government takes steps to strip that person/group of their rights, you still can't equate that to physical assault.

In fact, the start of the Fascist dictatorship in Italy is traditionally identified with the day Mussolini took personal responsibility before the Parliament for the acts of violence and murders carried out by thugs associated with his party.

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Malkevin » Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:10 pm #434194

Grazyn wrote:
XSI wrote:The party in charge of government has been singing "Kill the boers" in public, that's not a sign or anything
And they've been blaming white people and colonialism for their woes rather than their own corruption and inability to govern

They call it socialism, but they're showing that the intention isn't socialism, it's racism and deflecting attention from their own failures by blaming someone else and trying to get the population to pick sides
If the US government decides to take over asian people's businesses and only asian people's businesses while their leaders are talking about how asians ruin everything and asians must die, then is that just socialism too?

This is what happened: ANC supporters sang an old Zulu rebel song that says "kill the Boers", government said that singing folk songs doesn't qualify as hate speech and they were not going to arrest them. The headline became "Government defends protesters who want to kill whites". There are a lot of Irish rebel songs that call for the murder of Englishmen and they are routinely sang in pubs and other public places, would you call it hate speech?

Or lets put it in another way: alt-right supporters sing a hateful Johnny Rebel song at a Charlottesville-like rally. Republican government says it's not hate speech and defends their right to sing whatever they want. Same government also implements stuff like welfare cuts, healthcare reforms, poll tax disguised as voter ID laws, harsh punishment for minor possession of weed and other laws which are all perfectly in line with the Republican values of conservatism and capitalistic economic policy but just so happen to mostly affect blacks. Would you say they're doing all of this because they're racist, and the fact they defended the Johnny Rebel singers proves it?

Reality is nuanced. South Africa is socialist and you can criticize that, but what they're doing is in line with socialist policy. Some farms that are going to be expropriated are also co-owned by blacks, it's just a matter of wealth redistribution.

What were they singing, because I don't remember any Johnny Rebel songs enciting violence against blacks.

Closest was maybe Cajun Ku Klux Klan but that was more of a warning of a story

Quite a bit different than singing We're Going To Kill All The Whites.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Grazyn » Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:27 pm #434196

Believe it or not I don't know the entire discography of Johnny Rebel, you can substitute it with any "folk song enciting violence because it was written in a time where this violence was acceptable and widespread due to unique cultural and political circumstances, but being a folk song it doesn't constitute hate speech"

Also in case you missed it I wasn't describing a real world event, I don't know what they chanted in charlottesville besides "gas the kikes" and the US government hasn't (yet) passed the laws I mentioned.

But yes, the cautionary tale "Kajun Ku Klux Klan" appears to fit

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:19 pm #434238

>its okay to steal things if you promise to use it to help poor people

Yeah that totally worked for EVERY GOVERNMENT EVER THAT TRIED THIS

Considering 80 percent of south Africa's food is produced by 20 percent of its farms i cant wait for the reappropriated farms to be run into the ground by government appointed cronyist stooges and for the mass famine and social unrest to be blamed on DE FOOKKEN BOER
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby XSI » Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:18 pm #434258

Grazyn wrote:
Incomptinence wrote:It deserves to be at the bottom of the page it's fence sitting dodge the subject milquetoast trash.


Their president for nine years Jacob Zuma singing shoot the boer while still in office.

It's not just some supporters it goes all the way to the very top.

This is not a very nuanced subject the unofficial farmer murders and land theft before official seizing recently were about as subtle as kristallnacht if it was went on for years.

Socialists don't like rich fatcats. Most rich fatcats happen to be white. Therefore they appear to be targeting whites. They're not even seizing anything, they're giving them money in exchange for the expropriation. The money is not close to the actual market price of the land? Oh boo hoo cry me a river, that's what socialism feels like when it comes biting you in the ass. Still not racism. "Unofficial farmer murders" sounds like "unofficial attacks on minorities" in the USA or "unofficial attacks on political opponents" in Russia, if it's not proven to be linked to the party in charge it's not government-sanctioned and doesn't reflect the official stance of the party.


He is literally a president singing 'kill whitey'
This is on par with a president(Like Trump) singing 'kill the blacks'
If you honestly think that's nuanced then you might have a very different definition of nuance than the rest of humanity

And just because they're paying a token amount worth 10% or less of the land value does not make it any better. That's like getting robbed at gunpoint and the robber leaves you with a bag of chips to make you feel better about it, and then claims you gave him your wallet in exchange for the chips
The farm murders would be about equal to an american situation where people would drive into the ghetto and then kill all black people on a given block of the street. It doesn't happen and if it did happen it would need immediate government intervention. South Africa is already a failed state as they either can not or will not stop these attacks.
South Africa is not socialist, it's just corrupt and racist. The sad part is that the people who make it happen tend to be the rich ones that won't have to deal with the consequences of their actions

I'm not sure how I can say this in any more clear terms, but if you can take the people in power outright singing songs advocating for genocide and then that group in power does not interfere with targeted killings of the people they've sang about genociding, and actively attempts to take their stuff too
Then maybe you have a few mental blocks or problems to work through on this topic

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Screemonster » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:26 pm #434270

it's the old "tee hee I didn't go out and kill anyone I just set out to create the sort of conditions where it's likely that some lone wolf would kill them, blame the lone wolf and not me :^)" argument that everyone sees through immediately but fuckin' rubes will argue tooth and nail over technicalities about
"I didn't vandalise that person's house, I just spread a bunch of nasty rumours about them being a pedophile or something that made some easily-led chump go out and vandalise their house"
"I didn't harass that family, I just went on television and accused them of being crisis actors and spurred the kind of credulous nitwits that watch my show to go act out"

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Anonmare » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:59 pm #434278

It's about as nuanced as a sledgehammer is a lockpick
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Malkevin » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:11 pm #434279

So I was sat in the cantine today watching the news, and something came up about how Madonna did a tribute thing to Franklin 'which backfired terribly'

As the preview showed Madonna stood on stage wearing all african american gear I sat there with baited breath waiting to laugh at the left crying about black face and cultural appropriation.

But no, they were moaning that Madonna was talking too much about herself, because she told a story of how Franklin helped her get her career started.


Well, I suppose the lack of knee jerk reaction is a definite improvement.
It does show that this generation is still made up of complete mouthbreathers incapable rational abstract thought however.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:14 pm #434280

Screemonster wrote:you can lawyer your way out of having technically commited a crime, but you can't lawyer your way out of being a cunt

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby bandit » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:18 pm #434281

DemonFiren wrote:
Screemonster wrote:you can lawyer your way out of having technically commited a crime, but you can't lawyer your way out of being a cunt

muh rule 1 appeal


michael cohen and paul manafort however cannot do either
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Grazyn » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:53 pm #434285

XSI wrote:
He is literally a president singing 'kill whitey'
This is on par with a president(Like Trump) singing 'kill the blacks'
If you honestly think that's nuanced then you might have a very different definition of nuance than the rest of humanity

And just because they're paying a token amount worth 10% or less of the land value does not make it any better. That's like getting robbed at gunpoint and the robber leaves you with a bag of chips to make you feel better about it, and then claims you gave him your wallet in exchange for the chips
The farm murders would be about equal to an american situation where people would drive into the ghetto and then kill all black people on a given block of the street. It doesn't happen and if it did happen it would need immediate government intervention. South Africa is already a failed state as they either can not or will not stop these attacks.
South Africa is not socialist, it's just corrupt and racist. The sad part is that the people who make it happen tend to be the rich ones that won't have to deal with the consequences of their actions

I'm not sure how I can say this in any more clear terms, but if you can take the people in power outright singing songs advocating for genocide and then that group in power does not interfere with targeted killings of the people they've sang about genociding, and actively attempts to take their stuff too
Then maybe you have a few mental blocks or problems to work through on this topic

A former president. Should we infer a party's current and future plans from whatever bullshit their former leaders said in the past? Should we blame political parties for all the stupid things their supporters do? It's a dangerous path to thread if we apply it to the western world. I don't hold Trump responsible for the bullshit Dubya said, and yet they're from the same party.

But even if we assume that this song reflects future policies of the SA government, it's an assumption not based on reality. The government isn't killing whites. It's just taking their land (and paying for it, albeit not much), according to the socialist principle of wealth redistribution, which is expected from a socialist government. They could take wealth from rich blacks, but it happens that most wealth is in the hands of whites, white farmers in particular, so they're taking that.

Note about "government isn't killing whites", in case some white farmer decides to go down with his plot of land guns blazing and gets gunned down: I'm not considering whites killed by law enforcement while violating the law as "genocided by the government"

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:06 pm #434287

but grazyn, any white killed by blacks is automatically a victim of a genocidal conspiracy
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Postby Anonmare » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:51 pm #434298

I'm 75% sure that the farm's being stolen and the rhetoric is purely to cover up for the fact the SA is in bed with China and kicking out the farmers for the mineral rights.

SA is definitely using the anti-white rhetoric to their advantage in forcing the farmers to leave, you'd have to be very naive to fail to see that
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Postby lntigracy » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:35 am #434312

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Postby Super Aggro Crag » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:59 am #434318

"Hey man its the law we're just distributing wealth, its not our fault this minority group has a disproportionate amount of it"

Imagine what'd happen if the US government started taking control of production companies from jewish people :brain:
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Postby Anonmare » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:00 am #434319

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:07 am #434321

I mean im not really surprised the kraut is advocating the confiscation of an ethnic minority's property "for the good of the nation."
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Postby ShadowDimentio » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:14 am #434324

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby XSI » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:24 am #434349

I'm going to just cut my losses and stop trying to talk to the brick wall
But I suppose everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if that opinion is factually incorrect

Either way, I fully expect the first two or three farms to be taken while a legal strategy is made
Then the farms after that might just go ahead and open fire on the thieves taking their land, and then everything goes to shit

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Incomptinence » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:04 am #434350

Grazyn wrote:A former president. Should we infer a party's current and future plans from whatever bullshit their former leaders said in the past?


Something he said in 2012 while elected, he latter went on to get re-elected.

To only leave power due to pending criminal charges and losing the anc presidency in 2017.

Totally doesn't represent his poitical party at all nope nope nopers it's a whole new YEAR!

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Postby Malkevin » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:17 am #434361

Reminder that south Africa was unpopulated when the Dutch settled there, so cries of taking the land back from the bad whiteman are a load of hogwash

Saying they have a right to claim it would be like saying Muslims have a right to claim... say half of an Eastern European country because a load of them moved there and out bred the locals
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Grazyn » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:39 am #434364

They have a "right" to take it because the majority of voters elected a socialist government, that's what socialists do, and that's how democracy works Image

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:02 am #434368

XSI wrote:But I suppose everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if that opinion is factually incorrect

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Postby XSI » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:10 am #434371

There's the problem
The majority of voters did that

Consider the following
The people in your neighbourhood got together and voted that they'd like to bulldoze your house to make a new communal space and they'll sell your furniture to pay for it. You have one week to leave. They refuse to negotiate and refuse to give you any serious compensation for it. Will this be their right?

Keep in mind that you were there before them, never agreed to any of their policies or signed anything, and always kept out of trouble as much as possible
Is it their right to decide you have to go so they can have your stuff?

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:12 am #434372

By living in a state or country I agree to follow that state or country's laws and policies.
So yes, they're in the right.
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Postby XSI » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:33 am #434378

They were at no point asked if they wanted to live there and emigration is not an option either

I suppose what you're saying then is that they should make their own state and secede?
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Postby Anonmare » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:33 am #434379

It's hard not to live in a state considering the only places not claimed by one are literally inhospitable, and that's only stopped them in the practical terms.

If we absolutely have to have them, I'd rather make sure they won't just decide that to literally rob me at gunpoint on a whim
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Postby Malkevin » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:29 pm #434388

Grazyn wrote:They have a "right" to take it because the majority of voters elected a socialist government, that's what socialists do, and that's how democracy works Image

Lol, I'm going to guess you don't understand what the point of apartheid was then
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Grazyn » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:22 pm #434392

XSI wrote:There's the problem
The majority of voters did that

Consider the following
The people in your neighbourhood got together and voted that they'd like to bulldoze your house to make a new communal space and they'll sell your furniture to pay for it. You have one week to leave. They refuse to negotiate and refuse to give you any serious compensation for it. Will this be their right?

Keep in mind that you were there before them, never agreed to any of their policies or signed anything, and always kept out of trouble as much as possible
Is it their right to decide you have to go so they can have your stuff?

I'm not saying it's fair, but that's how socialism works. Some like it, some don't. But it's not racism.

The last time we had this conversation someone said that wealth redistribution would never work in real life because rich fatcats would have seen it coming a mile away and they'd have moved themselves or their riches safely away from the cluthes of the government. And that's what I told him

Socialists always talk about tax raises for the rich and wealth redistribution but they never end up doing it in a serious way, and rich people don't usually leave the country en masse when the left is elected. But what if they actually did it for real one time? That's what I'm saying, and that's how it should be done. It's not about sneaking up unto unsuspecting people, is about doing what you've been elected for, just for once. And if the rich fail to take steps to avoid it beforehand, it's on them.


SA is proof that rich people don't take socialists seriously enough until they're right at the door ready to redistribute their wealth. And now that it's too late to flee they're crying racism. Not that it will help them: blacks in SA cried racism for 50 years during apartheid and the world just stood and watched. World will stay and watch now as well.

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Grazyn wrote:They have a "right" to take it because the majority of voters elected a socialist government, that's what socialists do, and that's how democracy works Image

Lol, I'm going to guess you don't understand what the point of apartheid was then

If you live in a place where you are surrounded by people who hate you so much that you're forced to segregate them and disenfranchise them to avoid being voted out of the place, maybe you should consider moving? Especially when they loose their shackles and are finally able to vote?

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Postby leibniz » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:26 pm #434393

Grazyn wrote:


Isn't socialism supposed to abolish private property instead of just randomly confiscating stuff that looks appealing?
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Grazyn » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:46 pm #434395

leibniz wrote:
Grazyn wrote:


Isn't socialism supposed to abolish private property instead of just randomly confiscating stuff that looks appealing?

you're probably thinking of pure communism, while I'm thinking of state socialism (or at least, government confiscating farms looks like that). In any case, modern flavours of socialism usually tolerate private property, but the means of production should be owned by the workers. So unless all those farmers are personally tending to their lands without anyone else working on it, the socialist government is supposed to take the land from them and give it to those who work it.

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby lntigracy » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:41 pm #434404

lntigracy wrote:don't argue with bad faith posters
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Postby Malkevin » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:03 pm #434407

lntigracy wrote:
lntigracy wrote:don't argue with bad faith posters

What else am I going to do when I crimp out a Grazyn?

And what is the white man meant to do when he has no where left to flight to?
When tyranny of the majority turns former successful states into idiocracies?

How would you feel if Moroccans and Libyans did an invasion of the bellies into Sicily then demanded independence and told all the dagoes to get out of Muslim land?
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Postby DemonFiren » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:11 pm #434408

are you having a seizure, malk
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Postby Grazyn » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:12 pm #434409

Good thing they're staying in Africa then

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Postby Super Aggro Crag » Wed Aug 22, 2018 6:45 pm #434437

DemonFiren wrote:By living in a state or country I agree to follow that state or country's laws and policies.
So yes, they're in the right.

Yet you fucking shriek bloody murder when we deport the border hoppers on narco charges
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Postby DemonFiren » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:17 pm #434442

Super Aggro Crag wrote:
DemonFiren wrote:By living in a state or country I agree to follow that state or country's laws and policies.
So yes, they're in the right.

Yet you fucking shriek bloody murder when we deport the border hoppers on narco charges

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:32 pm #434447

I hope you catch a lance in the heart
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:35 pm #434449

fuck's sake crag that was uncalled for what's wrong with you
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:51 pm #434453

I'll eat your heart and gain the power to talk to birds
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:35 pm #434468

oh so you're high again
okay
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:50 pm #434473

Read a book
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:08 pm #434480

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Read a book

One day, while Andy was masturbating
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby MrAlphonzo » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:10 pm #434481

Great idea, fellas.

If we don't talk about what happened to Manafort and Cohen, it's like it never happened.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:13 pm #434484

I can hear about that stuff on any website i come here for unique discourse
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Screemonster » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:22 pm #434503

Super Aggro Crag wrote:I can hear about that stuff on any website i come here for unique discourse

that's a funny way to spell "shitposting"

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby XSI » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:17 pm #434538

The trouble with any US political news on 'treason' and investigations is simple

Trump and Hillary both are too big to go down and if they ever get close, they'll pull in favours that will get their ass out of the fire
Face it, neither of them will ever go to jail/get impeached and the investigations are all big smokescreens for the parties to hide their own internal shit long enough to shovel everything under the carpet
So why bother discussing them?

Why not discus stuff like South Africa, the European copyright law retardation or Israel's latest adventures in making Gaza hell?
Why not talk about Brazil's political situation?
3d printed guns?
The ebola outbreak that's still going in Africa?
The guy who stole a plane and did a barrel roll?

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:42 pm #434552

not a dragon/10
wouldn't marry
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:03 am #434570

A dragon wouldn't marry you because you dont even have a pile of gold coins as a dowry
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