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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:50 am #451161

FantasticFwoosh wrote:its aligned with the public's opinions on leaving the EU but really shouldn't be a representative for government.

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Postby Malkevin » Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:21 pm #451176

FantasticFwoosh wrote:UKIP is basically a protest & political pressure party, its aligned with the public's opinions on leaving the EU but really shouldn't be a representative for government.


Well thanks to our fucked up election system it is all but impossible for a third party to have chance at representing the government, the best UKIP can do is act as the public's pressure.

I've said it once and i'll say it again, Liberal democrats should reform into a right wing party to properly represent a counterbalance to how soft Labour & Tories have become rather than rely on UKIP with no long term goals or feasable ability in government past a set point.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh wait you're serious... are you medically retarded?
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Anonmare » Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm #451195

First Past The Post is a toxic form of voting system that will always naturally boil away to a two party system. But nobody will change the system, as the only people who can have everything to lose and nothing to gain by doing so.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:20 pm #451208

Malkevin wrote:Oh wait you're serious... are you medically retarded?

fwooshposts are almost as dumb as shadowposts
but while shadowmemes has shadowdementia fwoosh actually is medically retarded
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby FantasticFwoosh » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:20 pm #451272

> German scoff at thought of right wing party seizing power legitimately voted for by its citizens after period of austerity and politicdrama.

Try reading the wikipedia page of your own history.


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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby DemonFiren » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:56 pm #451281

no, you dingus, I'm scoffing at your posts in general
that "fantastic fwoosh" must be the sound of air filling the vacuum between your ears
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Postby Rustledjimm » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:44 pm #451314

DemonFiren wrote:no, you dingus, I'm scoffing at your posts in general
that "fantastic fwoosh" must be the sound of air filling the vacuum between your ears

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:56 pm #451321

I agree with rustledjimm
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby FantasticFwoosh » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:00 am #451510

Im not going to entertain that. Have this respective picture instead.

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Grazyn » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:05 am #451511

it's another "look at how much land voted for it" episode

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby FantasticFwoosh » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:49 am #451514

for comparison, its the English heartland + the great lakes/new lake district vs scotland and uh polynesia?

Here's for comparison, Native Americans who voted for the declaration of independence versus those who didn't (spoiler, native Americans had no say in any of it and have been shat on continually ever since)

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We only own the top bit of ireland so its no suprise that one side will vote evenly against the other since that's basically them all the while.


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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Rustledjimm » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:37 pm #451545

I wouldn't mind independence if that's what you're offering.

let Remain and Leave regions split off and form their own countries and we'll see who does better. The Remain lot get to stay in the Eu and the Leave don't
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby FantasticFwoosh » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:39 pm #451557

Rustledjimm wrote:I wouldn't mind independence if that's what you're offering.

let Remain and Leave regions split off and form their own countries and we'll see who does better. The Remain lot get to stay in the Eu and the Leave don't


Toyko has a higher population density rate than the whole of Japan because the core ideology is that you always end up drifting towards Tokyo to work, you could say London is the same but London is not Japan culturally or in political policy, so in doing anything itself would cease itself legally & literally from being British (a notion you can abandon taking that course of action) as you know it.

It would be more like how Berlin used to be where a oppresive regime inside and out of the walls violently prevents the movement of goods & people creating a partition, fresh air and resources for the remainers in which to develop and cultivate with the rest of the world, wheras inside would be a crime ridden beaurocratic nightmare where parliment & all national services have collapsed and businesses are emigrating abroad while much of it remains on fire & polluted due to lack of public service works. People work all hours a week to pay landlords for a few cubic meter's of space like current situations in Asia.

Parliment would effectively collapse because it has too few seats to function; demographically it would be the first loss of monoethnic majority in the Western world.

Its a very silly notion because even if outside in Leaver-land its a backward & economically broke nation state there's going to be less of a significant loss of life regarding the national service systems that were implemented to keep the entire country alive for what is essentially a pub bet.
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Postby XSI » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:48 pm #451559

The few brits I know agree
Quarantine London to stop the plague from spreading. Let in only enough supplies to allow survival and slowly begin reclaiming land from that mess

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Postby ShadowDimentio » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:38 am #451618

Hitler had the right idea, bomb London to dust and then build over what remains
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:01 am #451630

The only good idea hitler ever had was abstaining from eating meat
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Postby Rustledjimm » Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:06 pm #451729

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby oranges » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:42 am #451847

you can't competently do brexit because eu has all the power and no reason to make it easy for you
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby XSI » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:30 am #451850

Only because the British government has decided to give the EU all the power and basically do no negotiating of note

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Postby Grazyn » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:48 am #451857

CosmicScientist wrote:
Grazyn wrote:If they go through with their reforms, it will survive in name only. Why would the UK want to rejoin at that point? Considering the UK already had most of the things nationalists want to (re)introduce for everyone, like border control, monetary sovereignty and so on

BRITAIN ? ALREADY ? HAD ? BORDER ? CONTROL ? AND ? MONETARY ? SOVVRINTY ? AND ? SO ? ON.

Sorry but you're looking in a mirror... then again your nat pops are going to cause a riot of a laff if they try to return the lira.


Sorry I wasn't clear, I know very well Britain had all those things and the leave campaign lied through their teeth to make people believe the only way to stop brown people was to leave the EU, despite Britain already enjoying the most freedom over their affairs inside the union. My comment was in response to Rustled saying that the decision will be reversed and Britain will likely rejoin inside a decade. I'm saying that next year EU parliament elections will see natpops win in a landslide, which means the EU will either not survive that long, or will be heavily reformed, basically giving every state the same amount of autonomy Britain enjoyed when it was in the EU, and making the EU a "union" in name only. So rejoining wouldn't make much sense at that point.

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Postby XSI » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:15 am #451859

Sounds like just another day in jolly ol' Britain

I'm personally hoping the EU is just dismantled and we can get something actually reasonable going. I like international cooperation and contacts but fuck giving away national sovereignty in exchange for getting not just nothing, but the privilege of paying to get shafted by people who hate the locals

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Postby oranges » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:26 am #451863

XSI wrote:Only because the British government has decided to give the EU all the power and basically do no negotiating of note

the british have no negotiating power because you have literally nothing the EU wants or needs.
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Postby leibniz » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:21 am #451871

>the EU does not want the #5 largest economy

What did they mean by this?
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Postby Malkevin » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:56 pm #451902

I think they should put Darwin back on the £50 note, that'll really rustle the fems that they only get the tenner

Or actually the person they should put on is Charles Babbage, the man who invented the most important invention of the modern age: the computer.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Anonmare » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:49 pm #451930

Put Charles Babbage on the note
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Grazyn » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:02 pm #451979

CosmicScientist wrote:
leibniz wrote:>the EU does not want the #5 largest economy

What did they mean by this?

We dropped to 7th during the first sixth months after because the way economies are measured isn't particularly useful, especially when some inflate it by measuring illegal activity whilst others don't.

We're just complying with ESA 2010
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents ... 10-FAQ.pdf

Why are you including these illegal activities?
It must be stressed that this is nothing new, and in fact the changes being introduced simply reflect
improvements to methodology. The inclusion of these activities has been required since 1999
under international standards.
GDP is about measuring all economic activity. Both declared and undeclared (which includes
illegal) activities need to be taken into account in order to have a full and accurate picture of the
value of production/consumption in a given period.
Since there was a need to agree on standards on how to measure illegal activities, common
methodological guidelines have been agreed between the European Commission and the Member
States to ensure consistency between all Member States. These guidelines concern prostitution,
the production and trafficking of drugs, and alcohol and tobacco smuggling. By 22 September 2014
all Member States are required to comply with these requirements.


Italy has something like 200 billion euros in illegal activities so those new guidelines gave a nice bump to our GDP

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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby XSI » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:11 pm #451985

Turns out crime pays then

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Postby Grazyn » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:20 pm #451994

I tend to disagree, criminal profits are still profits. It's economic activity produced by citizens of the country. Can't be more patriotic than that. Also keep in mind these are statistics, and stats shouldn't be ethical, they are just a cold measure of reality.

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Postby oranges » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:26 pm #451998

You're a financial and services economy cutting itself off from it's largest market.

Sure, the EU loses a bit of net GDP and trade, but they will survive without you, they literally don't need you at all.

You have zero negotiating power with the EU and that's why you're unable to get any deals at all.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby XSI » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:36 pm #452001

There's no competition for the EU either
The EU would be more willing to give concessions if it seemed Britain had just about anything lined up or any sort of plan on what to do

Or any sort of international support from places like Canada, the US, Australia/New Zealand, and so on
But nope, seems like there's not even a single attempt to reach out to anyone else so Britain has basically nothing they can hold against the EU

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Postby DemonFiren » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:50 pm #452002

At this point giving them concessions might actually be the humane thing to do.
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Postby Malkevin » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:03 pm #452003

Oh yes, the EU doesn't need market with a large GDP and is primarily a consumer market, nope not at all
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Postby Rustledjimm » Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:23 am #452074

Honestly Alan Turing deserves to be on the fifty.
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Postby oranges » Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:38 am #452104

Malkevin wrote:Oh yes, the EU doesn't need market with a large GDP and is primarily a consumer market, nope not at all

I mean hey, if you repeat it enough it might actually come true right
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Incomptinence » Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:47 am #452110

Rustledjimm wrote:Honestly Alan Turing deserves to be on the fifty.

White gay men are not diverse enough did you miss the memo?

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Postby Super Aggro Crag » Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:38 pm #452238

How dare you remind us of a national tragedy we are directly responsible for?- The Upper Class Twats
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Postby XSI » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:25 pm #452250

Who really gives a shit?
That's some people having a party and burning something, making fun of a tragedy. But so what?

Some people are dicks. Big deal. They weren't hurting anyone, they're just laughing amongst themselves
Is it illegal to have the wrong opinion in Britain? Or to have a party in your own backyard?
What is the rationale here? Why would anyone give a shit what they did on their own property?
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Postby Takeguru » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:27 pm #452251

But wait why is this a crime?

Maybe you can get them on disturbing the peace or an unlawful burn, but the way this is written up is as if they got caught lighting puppies on fire or something
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Postby Super Aggro Crag » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:45 pm #452257

The holiday is literally about burning shit to celebrate a terrorist grtting killed
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby XSI » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:13 am #452274

People are idiots
A consistent thing throughout all of history and all cultures

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Postby Takeguru » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:20 am #452277

Up to a 2 year imprisonment over something that does literally no harm to anyone

Good job?
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Postby Malkevin » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:23 am #452278

XSI wrote:Is it illegal to have the wrong opinion in Britain?

Yes
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Takeguru » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:32 am #452310

Shouldnt have gone to court or the media at all
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Postby DemonFiren » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:03 am #452346

Takeguru wrote:Shouldnt have gone to court or the media at all

Maybe not in Britain, but as German I'm having a hard time feeling even a hint of sympathy.
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Postby Rustledjimm » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:09 am #452377

RE: Being asked regarding Scotland's veto in the Brexit appeal.

The Scottish government has no such power as all powers divested to it are done so at the discretion of Westminster. If Scotland tried to kick up too much of a fuss Westminster could just revoke all powers and dissolve the Scottish Government in a moments notice without any consultation.

This is why we want independence.
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Postby XSI » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:32 am #452378

That makes a whole lot of sense for wanting independence

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Postby Malkevin » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:56 pm #452399

CosmicScientist wrote:How did nazi hitler dog salute finish? £100 fine after being dragged through the courts and media for... a year?

He got fined, but he has refused to pay it.

So far I don't think the Scottish CPS has made their next move.
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Postby FantasticFwoosh » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:12 pm #452412

Rustledjimm wrote:RE: Being asked regarding Scotland's veto in the Brexit appeal.

The Scottish government has no such power as all powers divested to it are done so at the discretion of Westminster. If Scotland tried to kick up too much of a fuss Westminster could just revoke all powers and dissolve the Scottish Government in a moments notice without any consultation.

This is why we want independence.


Perhaps you should think why the devolved scottish parliment may be doing a shit job to enter the collective conciousness despite having local representative politicians of its own (i can't even name one, can you?), and different policies & approaches to aspects such as child & healthcare over the border. Maybe you're dissillusioned simply because none of the policies have affected you because the said government hasn't moved to embrace anything you care about or makes your town, county or city better. Just a handful of thoughts.

I could go on whilst you're screaming "We want independence because we fear our government (*) will be knocked down" but that's just how its meant to be because its a union of countries intertwined into a whole body which the central core of government could handle all themselves at immense extra cost to actively meddle with your lives but instead entrusted it to local representatives that are supposed to represent YOU.

  • its not a government its basically a council that also sit as constituents in parliment whether they actually decide or abstain from political action or not.

If you want different standards just vote for your most relevant like the rest of the country instead of trying to suck poison out of a snakebite, scotland plays as much a vote for determining political outcomes as Wales or Ireland, oust the tories and vote for someone else to run your area if you dont like them; promoting better candidates. Anger towards the government i feel without proper palpable fault is just ignorance of how the political machine works and how it feeds back to you not touching the controls or focusing on some other ulterior objective whether its your own or someone else entirely.

  • As the tories found out in the Brexit referendum as well as other political groups over time, calling your voters stupid does not encourage people to vote and is a gross misuse of trying to explain the point on how many people do not use their own political power within democracies, unless of course said population have become so beaten and used to ineffectual politicians that they don't inwardly believe in themselves to have self worth & promote change.

SNP propaganda and groups are no different to UKIP's scandalous bustups (didn't call itself the English National Party because it has no interest) or the DUP's ultra catholic conservitism with five minutes of fame by plugging in on hot political issues.


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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Rustledjimm » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:05 pm #453003

Fwoosh how do you manage to type such nonesense.

Please I love it when people who have never lived in Scotland tell me how shit our country and politicians are despite the fact we keep voting them in because we like them. Keep doing so. It only fuels independence this side of the border.
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Re: 2k18 /pol/

Postby Screemonster » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:56 pm #453022

to be fair the SNP during the last general election were riding high on the tide of salt from the referendum outcome, there hadn't even been a year between them, so it's not so much that the SNP are becoming unpopular as it is a return to normal after the statistical outlier that was the 2015 election. Their membership absolutely surged after the referendum came back as "no".

turns out that while 45% is a pretty solid loss in a binary referendum it's a recipe for a fucking landslide victory under first past the post parliamentary elections

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