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Anonmare wrote:the thought experiment posits that it is for the sake of argument

Exactly. It posits a bunch of stuff to arrive at a bunch of conclusions. The assumptions have no basis. So the conclusions that result from the assumptions have no basis. It's irrelevant to our reality. They could've assumed that souls are real and thus it follows that Allah will send the consciousness of those who commit the sin of suicide by teleport booth to hell and the conclusion would have the same value as the current one. IIRC stuff like this was originally a bunch of hypothetical situations to test how you perceive consciousness, and now apparently some angry WASP or jinn rewrote it to push the global Zionist agenda and here we are issuing a fatwa on oranges for destroying mass transit systems of NZ and Austria.

btw I might be missing the point here because reasons

The person coming out on the other end is not you, but for all intents and purposes will believe they are you.

Haven't you played SOMA?

who cares if I am not them I will die anyways so I wont get to care

the point being nothing we say here can be proven until we can duplicate the human body on a molecular level.

once we do that and it comes out dead, god is real and conciousness is tied to the soul, which now become the biggest energy source and the current planetary research goal. (assuming armagedon hasn't already occured, which based off of my understanding of religion, should definitely occur before we perfect human cloning)

if it comes out alive, there is no god and we are just a bunch of carbon atoms that through billions of years of chance became what we are today and the big bang was tied to string theory and hawkins was right and the heat death will be the true collapse of the universe



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the entire argument can literally be tied to if we have a soul or not. if we don't its reasonable to assume everything stated above just like its reasonable to assume that if we do everything stated above is also true.


until then we'll never know and there is no amount of hypothezizing or experiments that will ever get us closer to an answer than more research into human cloning

What if we build a human body on the molecular level and it comes out alive and starts preaching atheism and then it turns out it was possessed by a jinn to tempt Muslims?

I'll do it again

You have to lrn how is babby formed by natural means first

At its core, a computer is just a big bunch of electrical components that guide little bits of electricity around. But those patterns of electricity translate into math, which describes a world and how to draw that world on a screen. If you translate that world into patterns that you can store into a more permanent state, such as the magnetic charge of a hard drive, you can always reload it later into the exact same state. But if you then change the world, it will no longer match the one stored onto the hard drive.

In the same way, the pattern of your neurons and the electrical currents that run through them describe the world of your consciousness. Consciousness is something higher than just the neurons and electric charges themselves, but at the same time it is fundamentally rooted into whatever patterns you use to express it with. If at some point you branch the consciousness into two copies, I think that in that single moment you have the same consciousness in two different locations, but as soon as the patterns diverge, the consciousnesses diverge too. So I guess that to me, consciousness is not a single state, but rather a line that you can draw through a set of those patterns.

I'm not as worried about the idea of having my mind copied into another body while I am still alive myself. Even though my consciousness may branch at that point and I'm in the "doomed" branch, another branch of my consciousness will continue, someone with the exact same properties as me up to the point where we branched. For all intents and purposes, that person is me.

And if the multiverse theory is correct, your consciousness is branching all the time. Hell, maybe the theory that if you die your consciousness just jumps to a more fortunate branch and that is why people have deja vus and premonitions is correct. Who knows?

Life only has what meaning you give it.

I'm not going to read all of this so I'm just going to give my thoughts on the matter.


What makes you, you?
Do you think it is the atoms themselves? No, they do not care or matter. Atoms are constantly being removed and added to your body, recycled. Those atoms were once in a star, they will probably end up in some rock for millenia. If it was the atoms that made us who we are then we would be constantly changing every single microsecond.

So what does make up you?
The *combination* of the atoms makes up you. Your brain, your memory, your thoughts. They are all caused, held and done via combinations of atoms do not kid yourself and make the world less interesting by saying some higher power gives us consciousness, revel in the amazing reality that atoms have combined in such a way to give us our existence. It's also what makes you unique. Atoms have never combined in such a way to form you. So if such a teleporter was capable of existing would the being that stepped out of Teleporter B with the same combination of atoms be you?

Yes it would be.

in space Station thirdteen it's the same soul after you teleport so thats all u need 2 kno tb h

Rustledjimm wrote:I'm not going to read all of this so I'm just going to give my thoughts on the matter.


What makes you, you?
Do you think it is the atoms themselves? No, they do not care or matter. Atoms are constantly being removed and added to your body, recycled. Those atoms were once in a star, they will probably end up in some rock for millenia. If it was the atoms that made us who we are then we would be constantly changing every single microsecond.

So what does make up you?
The *combination* of the atoms makes up you. Your brain, your memory, your thoughts. They are all caused, held and done via combinations of atoms do not kid yourself and make the world less interesting by saying some higher power gives us consciousness, revel in the amazing reality that atoms have combined in such a way to give us our existence. It's also what makes you unique. Atoms have never combined in such a way to form you. So if such a teleporter was capable of existing would the being that stepped out of Teleporter B with the same combination of atoms be you?

Yes it would be.

It would be you, in the same you that entered the teleporter and the same you that would choose the same options as you but you still die. it's not the same consciousness until you're moving the brain.

That is suggesting that consciousness is something "other" that is inherently attached to the human brain somehow.

It's just a unique combination of atoms and electrical pulses. If you make the exact same combination there would be no difference between the two in that single moment. They are essentially the same.

Think in terms of A.I. If they develop a consciousness but then move all their data and said consciousness to another core is that not moving the consciousness even if the original core is not moved?

If teleporters that could do this were invented, do you think the company behind them would hide how they function?

lntigracy wrote:If teleporters that could do this were invented, do you think the company behind them would hide how they function?

Yes

They would probably also try to use it to clone people but keep it secret to not lower sales on the original product

that kind of invention would immediately be reverse-engineered and there probably would have to be scientific publications on it, too
so good luck hiding that shit

DemonFiren wrote:that kind of invention would immediately be reverse-engineered and there probably would have to be scientific publications on it, too
so good luck hiding that shit

Consumers don't usually read scientific publications or reverse-engineer things

what is news reporting
what is government regulation

besides, it's not like consumers would be able to afford that shit, anyway

DemonFiren wrote:what is news reporting
what is government regulation

besides, it's not like consumers would be able to afford that shit, anyway

News: I mean yeah but eh
Regulation: not an issue unless it actually kills the user permanently (I.e. failing to assemble clone)

Also it could be like airports, consumers can't afford planes but they can still use someone else's.

somerandomguy wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:what is news reporting
what is government regulation

besides, it's not like consumers would be able to afford that shit, anyway

News: I mean yeah but eh

so that's the issue right

Armhulen wrote:

somerandomguy wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:what is news reporting
what is government regulation

besides, it's not like consumers would be able to afford that shit, anyway

News: I mean yeah but eh

so that's the issue right

It's not like the company wouldn't try to pay to cover it up

That or they gloss over it in ads

somerandomguy wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:what is news reporting
what is government regulation

besides, it's not like consumers would be able to afford that shit, anyway

News: I mean yeah but eh
Regulation: not an issue unless it actually kills the user permanently (I.e. failing to assemble clone)

Also it could be like airports, consumers can't afford planes but they can still use someone else's.

Yeah it'd probably be a travel agency, not people having their own personal pods.

In that case it'll have to be approved by the government, won't it.

DemonFiren wrote:In that case it'll have to be approved by the government, won't it.

No? Air travel has to be partially run by the government because they don't want another 9/11, and that can't happen with this.

What kind of weird-ass government do you have that does not regulate public transportation?

DemonFiren wrote:What kind of weird-ass government do you have that does not regulate public transportation?

Teleportation isn't public though. All it involves are two separate machines.

so how are corporations going to make money teleporting people if they don't make it accessible to the public?

They aren't using government space for the traveling.

It's not on the roads or airways. It's walking into a private building and exiting a private building.

DemonFiren wrote:so how are corporations going to make money teleporting people if they don't make it accessible to the public?

What I mean is, it doesn't go through public areas like every other form of transportation has

lntigracy wrote:They aren't using government space for the traveling.

It's not on the roads or airways. It's walking into a private building and exiting a private building.

somerandomguy wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:so how are corporations going to make money teleporting people if they don't make it accessible to the public?

What I mean is, it doesn't go through public areas like every other form of transportation has

I mean, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that the tech itself has to be approved for human transportation.