Politics Thread: BLM Riots edition

[Helios]

Bottom post of the previous page:

when you care more about fucking tvs than black lives we know what side of history you're on

Why do you assume that submission would have gotten him out of trouble?
When you say things like TVs are replaceable, do you apply the same standards to your own goods?
If I threw a brick through the window of your car, wouldn't that inconvenience you in some way?
We have seen these mobs destroy peoples vehicles all the time. People's businesses all the time. People's homes all the time

It's no coincidence the deadliest day in Chicago in terms of body count was during the George Floyd protests.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/chicago-sees- ... d=71150234
Do black lives not matter when it's other black men taking them?

[Tlaltecuhtli]

dont shop owners have "chimp out" insurances? its not like looting are uncommon in usa

[Shadowflame909]

You are a good guy

for you

and don't lose your way rustled jimm

[PKPenguin321]

I wondered how tg was dealing with and discussing this rather complex situation which demands some nuanced discussion.

It's entirely as I suspected.

A little sad really.

Why did I even make this post?

video game forum politic not good am disappoint

[XSI]

I wondered how tg was dealing with and discussing this rather complex situation which demands some nuanced discussion.

It's entirely as I suspected.

A little sad really.

Why did I even make this post?

I'm sure you know as well as everyone else that people post about this stuff not for nuanced discussion, but rather to laugh at the dumb shit people post
Any actual discussion will be shallow and have loads of insults sprinkled in while some ideologues preach about how they are the only ones who are right

[Actionb]

We have seen these mobs destroy peoples vehicles all the time. People's businesses all the time. People's homes all the time

It's no coincidence the deadliest day in Chicago in terms of body count was during the George Floyd protests.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/chicago-sees- ... d=71150234
Do black lives not matter when it's other black men taking them?

It's called a riot. There's going to be crime, looting, murder, etc. by gangs, outraged young people, plain ol' hooligans.
Shit like this happens everywhere, everytime when there is a riot.
But if you took the actions of a few as exemplary of the whole, you might as well go the extra step and call the police a racist oppression tool.
If a few bad apples really do spoil the bunch, then this should be applied to anything.
In my opinion, making a comparison like that is a mistake, because it leaves out the complexity of the issue in favour of an easy judgement.

Pointing out stuff that obviously shouldn't be happening doesn't tell you anyting about what made it happen.
For example the abc article you've posted:

Known as one of the most gun violent cities in America, Chicago recently marked a new grim milestone with 18 homicides in a single day, officials said.

Between 6 p.m. on May 29 and 11:59 p.m. on May 31, Chicago police responded to at least 73 incidents in which 92 people were shot, including 27 who were killed, according to the city's police department.

The deadly streak in Chicago came a week after 49 people were shot in the city, 10 fatally, during the Memorial Day weekend.

Chicago Police Superintendent David Brown said at a May 26 news conference that the violence marked the most shootings for a Memorial Day weekend that Chicago has seen since 2015.

He blamed the resurgence of gun violence on disputes between rival gangs, clashes involving the sale of illegal drugs and people "feeling restless after being cooped up for weeks" due to the coronavirus.

“The violence throughout the city on Memorial Day weekend was nothing short of alarming," Brown said at the news conference.

In other words: one of the most violent cities became more violent due to corona and even more violent during the protests, probably in part due to the diversion of police manpower. But that still doesn't make the BLM movement invalid or complicit as its key tenets is calling for a change of what can eventually lead to crime and violence in the first place: disenfranchisement due to racial bias.

[cacogen]

god i fucking hate mainstream media holding up george floyd as a saint and as a martyr. what happened to him was genuinely awful and watching the video i wish the bystanders had done something more to intervene (and got shot) and he and his family deserve justice and the cops involve deserve prison (and thankfully they're actually getting it) but the guy was a fucking scumbag and seeing mindless libs hold him up like the second coming of christ is nauseating. and i can't stand seeing all the retards downplay and dismiss the damage of the riots and the looting and the violence towards innocent people that the protests enabled. i see that it forces governments and big business to do something by creating a problem that affects a much larger group of people but watching the videos you can see this isn't the main intention and it's mostly opportunistic bullshit to break stuff and steal things and commit violence because it's fun. also this is a black problem. black people do this on a far larger scale than white people. i'm tired of pretending it's not

[Actionb]

god i fucking hate mainstream media holding up george floyd as a saint and as a martyr.

By that logic, just about every 'hero' or 'saint' figure needs to be discredited, because a lot of them have some kind of dirt on them.
And cops like Chauvin wouldn't have been in service. Sadly, the world doesn't work that way.

watching the video i wish the bystanders had done something more to intervene (and got shot)

wishing the black people filming the incident would have been shot trying to stop armed cops comitting a murder

and i can't stand seeing all the retards downplay and dismiss the damage of the riots and the looting and the violence towards innocent people that the protests enabled. i see that it forces governments and big business to do something by creating a problem that affects a much larger group of people but watching the videos you can see this isn't the main intention and it's mostly opportunistic bullshit to break stuff and steal things and commit violence because it's fun. also this is a black problem. black people do this on a far larger scale than white people. i'm tired of pretending it's not

That's like blaming the tip of the iceberg for sinking the Titanic.

[BONERMASTER]

The only response fitting to americans would be to start a white lives riot and destroy black neighborhoods and businesses, that way it's fair for both sides.

[Actionb]

The only response fitting to americans would be to start a white lifes riot and destroy black neighborhoods and businesses, that way it's fair for both sides.

Yeah great idea. This way, at least, all the racist cowards would finally reveal themselves instead of playing coy to blend in and whitewashing their irrational beliefs in order to make them appealing to the mainstream, to disguise them as something a "normal" society needed to acknowledge.

There's nothing as pathetic as a closet racist. I mean, if you're that superior, why hide it?

[Grazyn]

I don't really get this "they did property damage so the protest is now null and void" attitude, by the same reasoning you should forbid strikes because stopping a production line for one day can cause more profit loss than thousands of looted shops

[Stickymayhem]

I don't really get this "they did property damage so the protest is now null and void" attitude, by the same reasoning you should forbid strikes because stopping a production line for one day can cause more profit loss than thousands of looted shops

how dare you disrupt capitalism get back to work wageslave

[Actionb]

Here's the head of the NY Police Benevolent Association (the police union) speaking out against the mistreatment of its officers.
[youtube]W53texyqISg[/youtube]
https://twitter.com/2OPPRESSED/status/1 ... 7188767744

I'm pretty sure we are watching the police collectively having the experience of being pulled over for a crime they didn't personally commit because they fit "the description" and are actively resisting, while the entire world is yelling repeatedly "stop resisting!" and they really don't like it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaHP19gX0AE ... ame=medium

[Stickymayhem]

Here's a california cop talking about all the terrible shit they did in a california PD

https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confession ... 14d17bc759

The question is this: did I need a gun and sweeping police powers to help the average person on the average night? The answer is no. When I was doing my best work as a cop, I was doing mediocre work as a therapist or a social worker. My good deeds were listening to people failed by the system and trying to unite them with any crumbs of resources the structure was currently denying them.

And consider this: my job as a police officer required me to be a marriage counselor, a mental health crisis professional, a conflict negotiator, a social worker, a child advocate, a traffic safety expert, a sexual assault specialist, and, every once in awhile, a public safety officer authorized to use force, all after only a 1000 hours of training at a police academy. Does the person we send to catch a robber also need to be the person we send to interview a rape victim or document a fender bender? Should one profession be expected to do all that important community care (with very little training) all at the same time?

To put this another way: I made double the salary most social workers made to do a fraction of what they could do to mitigate the causes of crimes and desperation. I can count very few times my monopoly on state violence actually made our citizens safer, and even then, it’s hard to say better-funded social safety nets and dozens of other community care specialists wouldn’t have prevented a problem before it started.

Police officers do not protect and serve people, they protect and serve the status quo, “polite society”, and private property. Using the incremental mechanisms of the status quo will never reform the police because the status quo relies on police violence to exist. Capitalism requires a permanent underclass to exploit for cheap labor and it requires the cops to bring that underclass to heel.

[Super Aggro Crag]

Yeah man we wouldn't have poor people or cops if we just established communism, remember how fucking awesome the Soviet union was? There was no crime and everyone had a ferrari

[Stickymayhem]

Yeah man we wouldn't have poor people or cops if we just established communism, remember how fucking awesome the Soviet union was? There was no crime and everyone had a ferrari

[Actionb]

I thought that Sweaty Krueger/Wolverine was the absolute pinnacle of grown up men going after protesting kids.

But now there's also Leatherface:
[youtube]6QEv4abeTe4[/youtube]

[Takeguru]

dont shop owners have "chimp out" insurances? its not like looting are uncommon in usa

No, most insurance won't touch it after Civil Rights because they lost loads of money

[XSI]

That just means it's separate 'theft' and 'vandalism' insurances
You call the theft insurance for the looted stuff and you call the vandalism insurance for the broken windows and fire damage

Also yeah. It's a very specific group of people who keep doing this
(Antifa) Provocateurs and the black people who fall for it and do exactly what is asked of them, pretty much being played for political gain while they themselves won't ever get anything out of it

[Actionb]

FoxNews:
[youtube]KafIdOk8bLs[/youtube]
And: A commentary by ~~journalist~~ Andy "Antifa once silly-stringed me" Ngo

Reality:
[youtube]6q6Jp4CX_kw[/youtube]
https://twitter.com/deathcab4booty/stat ... 3020602368
https://twitter.com/joemirabella/status ... 1315092480
https://twitter.com/SluttyPuppyTown/sta ... 4689694721
https://twitter.com/sarahjohnson572/sta ... 6896062464
https://twitter.com/Wanjiku7631/status/ ... 3116317696
https://twitter.com/omarisal

[Super Aggro Crag]

Dude andy ngo got a subdural hematoma from being jumped by people once trying to imply he's "not a real journalist" is really fucked up, youre insinuating its ok to inflict life threatening harm on an Asian man because hmmm he think different

[Helios]

I am not sure why Uber never got back to me.
Time for round 2

[XSI]

Everyone knows companies don't really give a shit
They just want cheap PR opportunities
Good luck getting them to admit that though

[Actionb]

Dude andy ngo got a subdural hematoma from being jumped by people once trying to imply he's "not a real journalist" is really fucked up, youre insinuating its ok to inflict life threatening harm on an Asian man because hmmm he think different

Cmon crag, don't strawman me.
First: How is me saying that he was sprayed with silly string equivalent to promoting violence against somebody because they're Asian? Slow down, don't make it sound like I had a racist agenda - him being Asian has nothing to do with me thinking that he's a grifter. Also "life-threatening" is a nice hyperbole for saying "over night hospital stay".
Second: Ngo is an accessory for far-right groups, a propagandist.

He follows far-right groups around in protests, hoping to film a brawl between them and antifa while being practically complicit with plans to escalate the situations as it aides his career and provides material that he seeks (and I guess that's why you even know about him). He's been bashing the left while promoting the far-right for years - him getting targetted by antifa was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
He's a sheep helping and hanging out with the wolves. By choice.

You can't probably be arsed to inform yourself too much, but at least read this article:
Undercover activist talks about how a Mayday clash came about and Ngo's role in it.
Ngo's lawyer demanded a retraction of that article, although he's clearly visible in the video where they plan the attack.

Ngo even justified Proud Boys/Patriot Prayer violently knocking out a woman with a baton to the head during the very confrontation they were planning in the above article (he also doxxed her in the process): https://twitter.com/CranBoonitz/status/ ... 2709829632
So even if I had been insinuating that head injuries resulting from violence were fine...shouldn't you then also criticize Ngo for the same reason?

And some others:
Proud Boys offered Ngo protection, indicating deliberate collaboration - what the above article also claims.
In depth profile of Ngo
And another profile
Even wikipedia has dedicated a section to Ngo's clashes with antifa, because that is what he seeks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Ngo# ... _activists


I called him (and Carlson) out, because people like him are warping people's perception of what is actually going on - deliberately: either because of money and fame or because of ideology. Or all of that.
The US media landscape, with its strive for division and hysteria as opposed to unity and reason, is fueling the political and social dumpster fire that is the US. And Ngo is stoking that fire.
If you don't care that the rest of the world is looking at the US with a sense of second-hand embarassement and bewilderment over how anyone could put up with that shit, then [meme]THIS IS FINE[/meme], I guess?

[Super Aggro Crag]

you can't scream DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS JOURNALISTS ARE WARRIORS FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE AND NEED TO BE PROTECTED and then say "oh, he's not a REAL journalist just a propaganda artist, string up from the street light", gamer. that's dirty pool. you're literally victim blaming a dude who got assaulted for documenting protests

[Actionb]

If he was documenting the protests, he would include the bits where his friends are showing themselves to be the antagonists... but he explicitly and repeatedly leaves that out. Whenever Antifa causes trouble he's there, and whenever his fascists bros are beating a woman, he looks away.
He isn't a journalist, he is a fake. That's not difficult to understand, is it?

Although, it being too difficult to understand for some, because they are incapable of distinguishing good faith from bad faith journalism, might be the reason why people like him have a career in the first place... huh, thanks Crag for making that apparent to me.

[Stickymayhem]

you can't scream DEMOCRACY DIES IN DARKNESS JOURNALISTS ARE WARRIORS FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE AND NEED TO BE PROTECTED and then say "oh, he's not a REAL journalist just a propaganda artist, string up from the street light", gamer. that's dirty pool. you're literally victim blaming a dude who got assaulted for documenting protests

Do you defend Fox News photoshopping antifa army man and captioning pictures of burning buildings from weeks ago as CHAZ separatists then?

[BONERMASTER]

Hehe, argue semantics with a vegan from england.

[Farquaar]

If he was documenting the protests, he would include the bits where his friends are showing themselves to be the antagonists... but he explicitly and repeatedly leaves that out. Whenever Antifa causes trouble he's there, and whenever his fascists bros are beating a woman, he looks away.
He isn't a journalist, he is a fake. That's not difficult to understand, is it?

Although, it being too difficult to understand for some, because they are incapable of distinguishing good faith from bad faith journalism, might be the reason why people like him have a career in the first place... huh, thanks Crag for making that apparent to me.

“He’s not filming what I want him to film. Guess I gotta beat his skull in.”

[Reeeee]

Wonder how sticky feels knowing he now has the same opinions as the US democrats in the house.

What did you feel like? Was it like a rapture or did you just get a hallucination of Karl Marx descending from heaven to give you a medal for exceptional socialist thinking? Or anarchism or something. Fuck man, who wants to get rid of all the cops, this isn't a shitty fanfiction, is it?
Man, society, 2020. Elected officials willing to abolish the police so they can casually murder you in the streets for existing seems pretty... Yeaaah.

"In reality, they're not after me, they're after you. I'm just in the way." Seems true, if they want to get rid of cops and shit.
This is going weird places.

[IkeTG]

Wonder how sticky feels knowing he now has the same opinions as the US democrats in the house.

What did you feel like? Was it like a rapture or did you just get a hallucination of Karl Marx descending from heaven to give you a medal for exceptional socialist thinking? Or anarchism or something. Fuck man, who wants to get rid of all the cops, this isn't a shitty fanfiction, is it?
Man, society, 2020. Elected officials willing to abolish the police so they can casually murder you in the streets for existing seems pretty... Yeaaah.

"In reality, they're not after me, they're after you. I'm just in the way." Seems true, if they want to get rid of cops and shit.
This is going weird places.

sorry, all the cops are already going to be deleted and there is nothing you can do

[Qbopper]

people being super mad about the looting and shit like that negates the protests is really funny to me because people expect a decentralized group of angry people to strictly control every member of their collective mass, while leaving out any mention of how cops should actually be held up to standards like that

looting is bad but if you're focusing on the minority of people (and don't forget that cops are known to send in bad actors who intentionally cause violence and shit in order to crack down on the whole crowd) doing the bad shit you're missing the forest for the trees

[Super Aggro Crag]

looting is bad? what are you, a neo nazi? fuck off qbopper, burning shit is actually cool and fun

[Armhulen]

looting is bad? what are you, a neo nazi? fuck off qbopper, burning shit is actually cool and fun

or perhaps just for yourself crag looting isn't the movement

[Super Aggro Crag]

what do you mean

[Armhulen]

what do you mean

loot, burn, make big corporations and whoever mad just don't pretend like you're doing it to stop racism or something

[Super Aggro Crag]

racism is bad tho

[Armhulen]

racism is bad tho

then protest

[Super Aggro Crag]

i already did retard

[Armhulen]

i already did retard

you asked me to explain not give you instructions stupid

[Super Aggro Crag]

i already did retard

you asked me to explain not give you instructions stupid

That's your problem

[TheWiznard]

[Stickymayhem]

imagine if your brain only had the thoughts that libby thinks

imagine what that would do to you

what would you become

[BONERMASTER]

Privatize police, it's a good idea. With private security contractors like the well-known Academi (formerly Blackwater), and the help of the superior law enforcement weapon, crime will gradually disappear from the fucking streets.

[Qbopper]

going to post my hot take

being racist is bad

[Shadowflame909]

going to post my hot take

being racist is bad

How could a man be so controversial yet so brave

[Jack7D1]

Here's my hot take: why are we here?

[BONERMASTER]

White man invades peaceful african tribe in jungle and disrespects their right to bear arms

Also shouts "No one's gonna fucking kill me!", clearly a sign of white privilege.

[youtube]wOMxEdH2yK4[/youtube]


Enough is enough! I'm on the right side of history now!!!

[Reeeee]

imagine if your brain only had the thoughts that libby thinks

imagine what that would do to you

what would you become

Probably me.
So did you get a hallucination of a Karl Marx when you heard the news that cops are being abolished or not?

Privatize police, it's a good idea. With private security contractors like the well-known Academi (formerly Blackwater), and the help of the superior law enforcement weapon, crime will gradually disappear from the fucking streets.

And absolutely no incentive to criminalize people to make yourself look better so profits go up. None.
I can imagine what fucking mess PMCs would make of policing something. You do know those guys are the one's who are too dense to make it in fucking army where all you need to do is follow one sentence instructions, right?

Dunno, maybe not make cops be the "entirety of it" when you need help immediately and then pretend they are qualified to make life and death decisions after 1k hour of training.

Just indoctrinate and clone kids like in Judge Dredd, at least they won't be incompetent.

[IkeTG]

So did you get a hallucination of a Karl Marx when you heard the news that cops are being abolished or not?

what does this even MEAN?

[Super Aggro Crag]

So did you get a hallucination of a Karl Marx when you heard the news that cops are being abolished or not?

what does this even MEAN?

Hes high on weed