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What an idiot

Please link to whatever you're peanutting about

trollbreeder wrote:Please link to whatever you're peanutting about

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27152

Haha.

Banned for posting stale memes. We live in a good society.

I don't get all this phobia towards the symbols from the past, but thats just me. Might need to start drinking more of that tap water people be raving about.

he better been Indian and blame that its not nazi simbol and just Hinduism, Buddhism or Jainism simbol and admems are racists towards indians

kopoba wrote:he better been Indian and blame that its not nazi simbol and just Hinduism, Buddhism or Jainism simbol and admems are racists towards indians

Nah, pretty much every religion/group that used the swastika before has denounced it and doesn't anymore. Hitler ruined it for everyone.

Vekter wrote:Nah, pretty much every religion/group that used the swastika before has denounced it and doesn't anymore. Hitler ruined it for everyone.

there is no signs that station name was somthin somthin hail hitler so i dont see any signs of nazi propaganda

fucking 4chan retards

4chan is a whimsical place.

Vekter wrote:

kopoba wrote:he better been Indian and blame that its not nazi simbol and just Hinduism, Buddhism or Jainism simbol and admems are racists towards indians

Nah, pretty much every religion/group that used the swastika before has denounced it and doesn't anymore. Hitler ruined it for everyone.

I don't side either way in this discussion but this is incorrect, the Eastern religions still use the symbol quite often unmodified. Hindus overseas often use a version with dots on it or the Benghali version at times (which looks more like a stick figure) but in country or in Jainism it goes unmodified. Malay Buddhism still uses the original symbol unchanged, and even in the US there's a big kerfuffle about Navajo descended people being able to use the symbol as it has a traditional meaning to them.

Of course, this wasn't the intent of the ban recipient, so not that relevant to this discussion.

Just one thing. Screw Hitler.

Agux909 wrote:Just one thing. Screw Hitler.

Rent free

ill never understand how it’s so hard for some people to not include weird nazi shit in everything they do

If you have 19 people and 1 Nazi at a table, that's 20 Nazis.

Send 'em packing

local communist admin kills 20 people for being at a table(eating food under war communism isnt allowed)

Better to destroy your playerbase than let one Nazi play your game

卐 I love iCarly station 卍

getting permanently banned from all head of staff roles for naming the station this by an admin like themidnightrose is to be expected. i could understand it if it were just hard n's as that's low effort and played out but even in such a case just rename the station like nigga smite the guy. i do think iCarlyStation with the Buddhist symbols would've been better though

Vekter wrote:Nah, pretty much every religion/group that used the swastika before has denounced it and doesn't anymore. Hitler ruined it for everyone.

lmao only ameritards and eurocucks believe this
everyone else in the world doesn't give a fuck
japanese high school girls used 卍 as a meme and when told about the nazis they just said they don't care
it's also used in maps to signal buddhist temples and a law to change the symbol in japan did not pass cause no one wants to take your greasy cultural imperialism cock willingly

bringing up japanese school girls to

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own the libs

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National Socialist iCarly Station

I don't see how you don't see it's a joke

cringe ban

>sybil server

like pottery

cacogen wrote:National Socialist iCarly Station

I don't see how you don't see it's a joke

it has to be funny to be easily identifiable as a joke

Your sense of humour doesn't change the intent. You don't have to be a #MeToo level comedian to make a joke in a computer game

It doesn't really matter if other cultures (such as the ones from asia) have different meanings for the symbol, because the joke was made in a game in which both lore and playerbase are mostly composed of western elements.

Unless it was explicitedly stated at the moment of the joke that it was refering to something else, the first and obvious interpretation would be that it was related to nazism. Context matters.

I can not believe people are using the other cultures excuse for the swastika in 2020. I know you think low of the banning admin but that's no reason to put out bad faith arguments

the only reasonable argument is that this is (pretty blatantly) a case of absurdist humor and the swastika has completely distracted everyone that it was pretty damn obviously a shitpost, much like 90% of all station names.

Screemonster wrote:

cacogen wrote:National Socialist iCarly Station

I don't see how you don't see it's a joke

it has to be funny to be easily identifiable as a joke

It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

Farquaar wrote:

Screemonster wrote:

cacogen wrote:National Socialist iCarly Station

I don't see how you don't see it's a joke

it has to be funny to be easily identifiable as a joke

It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

Country =/= Ideology. Nazi ideology is hateful and violent in its essence, and it's main idea is about race superiority and genocide.

While the Soviet Union had genocide in its history, it is not the defining characteristic of it. USSR lasted way beyond Stalin, and changed a lot through its different leaders. You could perhaps say Stalinism is just as bad, but saying references to the nation USSR would be a problem implies we should also avoid making references to Germany, Japan, Cambodia, Italy, and any other country which was involved in genocide at some point in history. And there are plenty of countries that were and still exist. Shit, if you add up all the fucked up things USA imperialism did, you could even make an argument for banning references to them.

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Ehn.

Is the joke a trash shitpost? Sure. Is it funny? Definitely not. Does it make sense to ban for it? Eeehn. Listen to admins speak in OOC on Terry and you'll hear edgier shit by the dozen, and it seems like a pretty clear cut case of 'man wants to shitpost haha funny windmill' rather than 'SPREADING WHITE SUPREMACIST IDEALS IN SS13', which again, if you believe that's applicable, spend ten minutes on Terry OOC.

People say way edgier shit in this game, shitposting in station names isn't new and admins of this server have named their station shit like "Ni**er Killer Station 2000" on Bagil in the past and they're still around. It seems like a bit of an inconsistent ruling imo. Then again, getting banned from Head roles is whatever.

My point about Vekter being wrong about the symbol in the East isn't a defense, I was just pointing out he was mistaken. As said before, clearly not the intention of the person in the appeal to use it in that meaning, so irrelevant. If anyone ever wants to put Buddhist Prayer Temples in-game then we can bring that up again.

I dunno, I don't like our server having swastikas on the BYOND hub. Bad look. There would have to be some serious issue going on internally with the situation for me to disagree with removing nazi stuff, admins shouldn't get flak for it.

Armhulen wrote:I dunno, I don't like our server having swastikas on the BYOND hub. Bad look. There would have to be some serious issue going on internally with the situation for me to disagree with removing nazi stuff, admins shouldn't get flak for it.

The argument for not wanting it on the hub is super valid actually, yeah. If we consider that angle, it should definitely be bannable, but placed more front and center in rule clarification.

(I completely forgot that /tg/servers are on the hub now, lmao.)

theres a few errs with the ban imo
- admins are capable of force renaming the station
- there was no actual violation cited
- ban was rejected for... not waiting 2 weeks? no actual reason was stated

also in my opinion the punishment doesnt even remotely fit the crime. perma headban for what i would personally consider a minor infraction at worse? crazy.

Armhulen wrote:I dunno, I don't like our server having swastikas on the BYOND hub. Bad look. There would have to be some serious issue going on internally with the situation for me to disagree with removing nazi stuff, admins shouldn't get flak for it.

this is valid, but also couldn't this be nullified by force-renaming the station? beyond this, if swastikas surrounding i love icarly was going to scare away a potential player, im sure they wouldn't fare too well against any given random shit people have to say in common radio.

Space Panda wrote:

Farquaar wrote: It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

Snip

I think you missed the point by focusing on the first sentence while completely ignoring the second.

Farquaar wrote:

Space Panda wrote:

Farquaar wrote: It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

Snip

I think you missed the point by focusing on the first sentence while completely ignoring the second.

I do understand the idea about absurdist humor. My post was aimed at the problem of the false equivalence of USSR vs. Nazi ideology.

Space Panda wrote:

Farquaar wrote:

Space Panda wrote:

Farquaar wrote: It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

Snip

I think you missed the point by focusing on the first sentence while completely ignoring the second.

I do understand the idea about absurdist humor. My post was aimed at the problem of the false equivalence of USSR vs. Nazi ideology.

Nazi Germany is to nazism as the Soviet Union is to communism. They’re both dark, murderous ideologies that are responsible for immense pain, death etc. Hardly a false equivalence.

If someone is an actual neo-nazi, then ban them like we did with Obscolene, I don’t care, good riddance. But if you’re going to advocate banning people just for making jokes that might offend someone, then at least be consistent about it.

Farquaar wrote:

Space Panda wrote:

Farquaar wrote:

Space Panda wrote:

Farquaar wrote: It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

Snip

I think you missed the point by focusing on the first sentence while completely ignoring the second.

I do understand the idea about absurdist humor. My post was aimed at the problem of the false equivalence of USSR vs. Nazi ideology.

Nazi Germany is to nazism as the Soviet Union is to communism. They’re both dark, murderous ideologies that are responsible for immense pain, death etc. Hardly a false equivalence.

If someone is an actual neo-nazi, then ban them like we did with Obscolene, I don’t care, good riddance. But if you’re going to advocate banning people just for making jokes that might offend someone, then at least be consistent about it.

Communism =/= Stalinism, dumbo. Have you ever read Marx?

Space Panda wrote:

Farquaar wrote:

Space Panda wrote:

Farquaar wrote:

Space Panda wrote:

Farquaar wrote: It’s a joke in the same way that many sprites and game locations showcase soviet iconography even though they murdered tens of millions. The humor is found in the absurdity.

Snip

I think you missed the point by focusing on the first sentence while completely ignoring the second.

I do understand the idea about absurdist humor. My post was aimed at the problem of the false equivalence of USSR vs. Nazi ideology.

Nazi Germany is to nazism as the Soviet Union is to communism. They’re both dark, murderous ideologies that are responsible for immense pain, death etc. Hardly a false equivalence.

If someone is an actual neo-nazi, then ban them like we did with Obscolene, I don’t care, good riddance. But if you’re going to advocate banning people just for making jokes that might offend someone, then at least be consistent about it.

Communism =/= Stalinism, dumbo. Have you ever read Marx?

you'll have red marks when I'm through with you, pinko

Screemonster wrote: you'll have red marks when I'm through with you, pinko

like hickeys?

Space Panda wrote:Communism =/= Stalinism, dumbo. Have you ever read Marx?

This isn’t a discussion about whether the USSR was RealCommunism™. Communism has resulted in death and slaughter wherever it’s been tried, making communist symbols offensive to many people, especially those who lived through it. Communism jokes are edgy, whether you like it or not.

Putting an iCarly fan club next to a swastika is funny in the same way that a clown wearing hammer and sickle underpants is funny. They’re both edgy, and they’re both absurd. You personally might not get the joke, but don’t act like either is a promotion of nazism or communism.

Farquaar wrote:

Space Panda wrote:Communism =/= Stalinism, dumbo. Have you ever read Marx?

This isn’t a discussion about whether the USSR was RealCommunism™. Communism has resulted in death and slaughter wherever it’s been tried, making communist symbols offensive to many people, especially those who lived through it. Communism jokes are edgy, whether you like it or not.

Putting an iCarly fan club next to a swastika is funny in the same way that a clown wearing hammer and sickle underpants is funny. They’re both edgy, and they’re both absurd. You personally might not get the joke, but don’t act like either is a promotion of nazism or communism.

imagine believing USSR, China and NK being the only attempts at communism


And by your logic, Christianity should be considered edgy because of all the war and genocide that happened in its name across its history.

Space Panda wrote: And by your logic, Christianity should be considered edgy because of all the war and genocide that happened in its name across its history.

Yes

Jack7D1 wrote:Humanity is the greatest mistake of history, relinquish human, convert to moth

and panda

shoulda been a temp ban

Space Panda wrote:And by your logic, Christianity should be considered edgy because of all the war and genocide that happened in its name across its history.

† DEUS VULT BURN THE HERETIC † style chaplainry is, indeed, very edgy. However, I’m not the one who advocates permabanning dark humor because some people don’t get the joke.