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How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Helios » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:22 pm #576408

A lot of international order is based off of the US and their global Hegemony. How should the g20 react if the US enters protracted internal conflict? It's not like China will stop their expansion in Asia if the US is out of the picture, and as a Canadian it worries me too.
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Space Panda » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:24 pm #576410

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Helios » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:29 pm #576411

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby wesoda25 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:52 pm #576416

There won’t be one
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Helios » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:08 pm #576419

wesoda25 wrote:There won’t be one

Okay good
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:10 am #576434

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby IkeTG » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:36 am #576437

its not soccer so they dont care

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Postby XSI » Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:40 am #576439

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby XivilaiAnaxes » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:02 am #576440

Ignoring the fact that there straight up wouldn't be one, it would entirely depend on context (beyond just 'but civil war!').

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Sheodir » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:27 am #576443

There won't be one, but assumed it happened for whatever reason, they'd obviously side with the local government. They wouldn't mobilize, however, as said government would probably not want foreign troops on their soil, even allied ones.

But yeah, the "boogaloo" or whatever isn't real dude. Chill.
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Kryson » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:58 am #576467

Sell weapons to both sides of the conflict.

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Postby cacogen » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:17 pm #576637

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby terranaut » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:51 pm #576758

h-h-h-haha yeah civil war doesn't happen, it's 2020 after all!
(civil) wars have started over the dumbest of reasons and spiralled out of control, don't pretend you're some kind of oracle or deep political expert who knows it's (not) gonna happen. there's an unstable situation and a lot of guns, all bets are off
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby IkeTG » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:00 pm #576763

terranaut wrote:h-h-h-haha yeah civil war doesn't happen, it's 2020 after all!
(civil) wars have started over the dumbest of reasons and spiralled out of control, don't pretend you're some kind of oracle or deep political expert who knows it's (not) gonna happen. there's an unstable situation and a lot of guns, all bets are off

how much are you willing to bet on this civil war buddy

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Armhulen » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:09 pm #576764

it will happen based on who gets ele-

it will not matter who gets elected
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby oranges » Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:42 am #576786

American
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civil
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war
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Sheodir » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:05 am #576788

terranaut wrote:h-h-h-haha yeah civil war doesn't happen, it's 2020 after all!
(civil) wars have started over the dumbest of reasons and spiralled out of control, don't pretend you're some kind of oracle or deep political expert who knows it's (not) gonna happen. there's an unstable situation and a lot of guns, all bets are off

I'll bet 150 USD on you on the fact it won't happen right now

if you think the boogaloo or a civil war or some shit will happen your brain is some kind of eternal consolation prize
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby XivilaiAnaxes » Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:57 am #576791

terranaut wrote:h-h-h-haha yeah civil war doesn't happen, it's 2020 after all!
(civil) wars have started over the dumbest of reasons and spiralled out of control, don't pretend you're some kind of oracle or deep political expert who knows it's (not) gonna happen. there's an unstable situation and a lot of guns, all bets are off

No.

Simple reason - burgers are both too dumb to organise a civil war outside of maybe a couple of nutjobs getting shot outside government buildings and too spineless to do so.

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:52 am #576795

if there's a civil war they'll immediately take the side of whoever China tells them to
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Helios » Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:11 pm #576823

Why would the killing of some Archduke by anarchists lead to the bloodiest war civilization had ever fought at that point?
The great war won't happen guys

Edit:Why would a phantom attack by the Vietnamese on the USS Maddox in the gulf of tonkin, that never actually happened (August 4, look it up) lead to the US getting caught up in a 10 year conflict in South Vietnam?
The Vietnam war won't happen guys

Why would a coal bunker fire in the USS Maine result in a protacted conflicted between Spain and the US? It wasn't even attacked by a Spanish vessel, it didn't hit a spanish mine, so there would be no reason for the empires to fight
The Spanish–American War won't happen guys

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Sheodir » Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:34 pm #576840

Helios wrote:Why would the killing of some Archduke by anarchists lead to the bloodiest war civilization had ever fought at that point?
The great war won't happen guys

Edit:Why would a phantom attack by the Vietnamese on the USS Maddox in the gulf of tonkin, that never actually happened (August 4, look it up) lead to the US getting caught up in a 10 year conflict in South Vietnam?
The Vietnam war won't happen guys

Why would a coal bunker fire in the USS Maine result in a protacted conflicted between Spain and the US? It wasn't even attacked by a Spanish vessel, it didn't hit a spanish mine, so there would be no reason for the empires to fight
The Spanish–American War won't happen guys


This is such reductive fucking logic that I have to beg if you actually ever studied history in your life
You realize there's a significant more to each and every one of these events then the event that suddenly set it off, right

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The American Civil War sprouted over significant economical and socio-cultural issues (slavery at its front and center, sure) that had been brewing for eons before, but the latest point you can say it could be called with relative certainty was a year and a bit before in the run-up to and during the 1860 Presidential Elections - shortly after the disaster it was for most of the Southern states after the majority Republican win, majority interest parties with the aid of wealthy landowners formed the Confederacy, a then informal union of interested parties that was nonetheless public and sanctioned through both cooperative legislation and financially backed matters. They ran a very vocal, public campaign for secession before a single shot was ever fired, yet also didn't much hide deliberate propaganda at the state-delineated military forces, and this escalation would continue for a good while to the point Buchanan mentioned how important it was not to allow things to escalate into an armed conflict in a public speech. It wasn't a surprise event that left everyone flabberghasted. It had incredible lead-up to it, and it certainly wasn't Rufus and 50 mates with assault rifles that caused it. It was powerful, wealthy men that had already publicly exhausted other methods of opposition and discourse.

We've had no such clear factional warfare outside of the normal political factors - no senators have walked around with public National Guard soldiers acting as personal bodyguards, there have been no repeated public calls for secession and/or violent government takeover from major political officials (Rando Smith from the municipal council *really* doesn't count), and the United States military and National Guard have since the civil war been deliberately reorganized so that they couldn't be easily structured at a state level deliberately so that even if the majority top branch of troops situated in a state decided to revolt, they could not easily access the resources required or even sway troops given most of them would be fresh-faced and come from another damn state.

None of the pieces are in play for a modern American Civil War. Whilst yes, you do have a lot of armed citizens and a lot of those have extremist political views, there is no organized political body with clear influences at major levels of government to validate any such attempt at starting one. Say Rufus and his mates get 150 armed citizens to take over the City Council in a major city. That's quite a lot of people willing to die for a cause and to organize at the same time, but for the sake of argument, let's say it happens. That's fucking nothing. The collective NYPD has nearly 40 thousand sworn officers. And even if they managed to hold it by some miracle, they cannot work as a united body - say two major cities, A and B, both manage to topple the municipal government and hold their offices in place. How are they going to coordinate any further attacks or pushes into nearby towns? This isn't the 19th Century, response times of bodies like the National Guard are fast, taking mere hours to show up en masse rather than days. There would be no time to organize and form a faction even assuming everything perfectly happens as you say so.

The events you mentioned?

Even a small child knows killing the Archduke was the straw that broke the Camel's back, and far from the main reasoning. There were a billion issues stewing in one place, everyone was armed to the teeth and waiting for the war to start and had been for close to four years at that point, and just waiting for an excuse. It was also a major war between nations, not a civil conflict that carries a lot more difficult connotations due to a break in hierarchy.

You're correct in your doubt over the Tonkin incident but the Vietnam War was simply the maligned followup to the first Indochina War, which the United States had already fought in, and was again not a sudden, unexpected hostility, so much so the leader of Vietnam at the time had basically made his current political base in preparing for the second bout - everyone *knew* America wanted an excuse to pick a fight over it again, and you can also call the entire damn Cold War and hostilities with Ho Chi Minh immediatelly following Japanese Surrender

Cánovas and other Spanish Imperialists after repeated Spanish losses in the New World had for decades been courting the idea of curbing American influence by frequently harking back to their differences in colonization compared to the British and French, whilst Monroe had for quite a while openly talked about his interest into Caribbean expansion and in Florida the Cuban Libre movement was at its height and infected much of local politics, including high level officials that had quite brazenly discussed the open support to Cuban Independence Movements (as long as they, of course, followed American interest) to the point that everyone and their mom knows American response was only as fast as only needing justification - Cánovas had all but warned the mainland that America would intervene and Weyler's appointment was a deliberate attempt to curb revolutionary movements to try and not give America a lull with which to land, which he fully knew McKinley was waiting for - surprisingly, the man instead used these brutal takedown tactics to justify his entry

You're citing deliberate inciting events whilst ignoring all the wide contrast in both infrastructure and prior history that allowed them to happen in the first place, which the current situation entirely lacks other than "mild discontent" - unless a lot, and I mean a lot of things about the political sphere of America and how its armed forces are organized change nigh overnight there will not be any American Civil War anytime during our collective lifetimes, and if that change occurs I guarantee you will see it coming a lot clearer than you currently are and the possibility will be plastered all over every major news outlet a good month before we see formal armed conflict

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Helios » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:50 pm #576845

I appreciate your points Sheodir. It is not at that point of escalation yet. And I can agree on that, but I am very concerned that it will escalate, because a lot of people aren't acting in good will.
There is one way I suspect that this could escalate into civil war, and that's if the left and right organize around abortion. The question of who is or isn't human, who does or doesn't have rights, that wasn't the spark of the civil war but ended up being central to our understanding of the civil war. If the right grabs that third rail and applies it to abortion, things could escalate

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Postby BONERMASTER » Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:24 pm #576848

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Postby terranaut » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:29 am #576866

all im getting from this is that america really likes to pick unnecessary wars they can only stand to lose from, civil war seems very likely then
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Shadowflame909 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:46 am #576871

Whoever wins.

Civil Unrest because of American division shall be made apparent.

It may not be a civil war, but it sure as hell is gonna suck.

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Postby Tlaltecuhtli » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:00 pm #576876

america confirmed third world lol

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more like civillain
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terranaut wrote:more like civillain

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I hope this happens. I doubt it will but if it does I think even he won't get away with it and I'd like to see the immense fallout.
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby terranaut » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:59 am #577321

cacogen wrote:

I hope this happens. I doubt it will but if it does I think even he won't get away with it and I'd like to see the immense fallout.

How would he not get away with it? What could possibly happen? All the polit-pros in this ITT thread say civil war is impossible.
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Postby Super Aggro Crag » Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:08 pm #577324

If the DNC and their Chinese puppet masters cheat the American people out of a fair election than President Trump has a moral imperative to prevent their racist mushbrain pedophile and fascist bootlicker authoritarian candidates from seizing power.
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Super Aggro Crag wrote:If the DNC and their Chinese puppet masters cheat the American people out of a fair election than President Trump has a moral imperative to prevent their racist mushbrain pedophile and fascist bootlicker authoritarian candidates from seizing power.

But Trump used Russia to cheat the American people out of a fair election?
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Postby Tlaltecuhtli » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:34 pm #577333

Armhulen wrote:But Trump used Russia to cheat the American people out of a fair election?


not sure which five dimensional daemon got angered by america but the election right now is between trump and an old person with dementia, the game was rigged from the start

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Tlaltecuhtli wrote:
Armhulen wrote:But Trump used Russia to cheat the American people out of a fair election?


not sure which five dimensional daemon got angered by america but the election right now is between trump and an old person with dementia, the game was rigged from the start

Yeah we're fucked lmfao
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby ThanatosRa » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:18 am #577339

Maybe I'm a brainlet but I'll take creepy Uncle Joe over the Trump train again.
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

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Armhulen wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:If the DNC and their Chinese puppet masters cheat the American people out of a fair election than President Trump has a moral imperative to prevent their racist mushbrain pedophile and fascist bootlicker authoritarian candidates from seizing power.

But Trump used Russia to cheat the American people out of a fair election?

This is the dumbest thing I have ever seen you say, Armhulen.
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Armhulen » Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:40 am #577347

Super Aggro Crag wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:If the DNC and their Chinese puppet masters cheat the American people out of a fair election than President Trump has a moral imperative to prevent their racist mushbrain pedophile and fascist bootlicker authoritarian candidates from seizing power.

But Trump used Russia to cheat the American people out of a fair election?

This is the dumbest thing I have ever seen you say, Armhulen.

Go to bed bro, she's not thinking about you.

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby XivilaiAnaxes » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:21 am #577363

This is just drumpf doing his usual "heh im not ruling it out" routine

Just like when he was asked if he wouldn't nuke europe (or maybe just nukes in general I don't remember the exact quote)

Trump isn't going to pull off a Caesar, he's neither:
-Smart enough
-Popular enough
-Ballsy enough
-Competent enough

To work something like that out.

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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby cacogen » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:31 am #577367

terranaut wrote:
cacogen wrote:

I hope this happens. I doubt it will but if it does I think even he won't get away with it and I'd like to see the immense fallout.

How would he not get away with it? What could possibly happen? All the polit-pros in this ITT thread say civil war is impossible.

I know next to nothing about politics but like most people I'm not letting that stop me from talking about it.

Super Aggro Crag wrote:If the DNC and their Chinese puppet masters cheat the American people out of a fair election than President Trump has a moral imperative to prevent their racist mushbrain pedophile and fascist bootlicker authoritarian candidates from seizing power.

This but unironically

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:
Armhulen wrote:But Trump used Russia to cheat the American people out of a fair election?


not sure which five dimensional daemon got angered by america but the election right now is between trump and an old person with dementia, the game was rigged from the start

I am willing to bet that after this virus Trump isn't getting in again. For one thing, the left are a lot more motivated to vote than they were in 2016. Screencap this post, including the part where I say I know nothing about politics.
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby TheWiznard » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:47 am #577373

the two coasts don't make up all of amerika the midwest are normal human beings
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby Lumbermancer » Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:46 pm #577378

I was under impression that Trump was the senile one.
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby terranaut » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:12 pm #577380

Lumbermancer wrote:I was under impression that Trump was the senile one.

wow so brave and clever hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Re: How should US allies react if American civil war pops off?

Postby cacogen » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:26 pm #577382

Michael Moore was one of the few political commentators to correctly predict Trump's win in 2016. At least as of late August he predicted he's going to win again. So I'm less confident in my baseless assumption that the virus will draw even the most ignorant and self-deluded Americans' attention to Trump's basic and obvious failings. Which is depressing.
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