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From what I’ve seen (like 3 of the most popular incidents) all of the incidents have been proven baseless. There was the hiccup with the 9 military ballots but as Sticky said that was promptly handled by the checks and balances installed in the system. Once again it’s Trump leaping upon shadowy information to spread misinformation and accusations.
comprehensively dismantled in publicXSI wrote:Are you okay?
You always seemed unhinged but you seem to have problems
Super Aggro Crag wrote:We backed the wrong side in World War 2.
I'm sorry, but I have to let you know that there really aren't any intelligent people in your country.Qbmax32 wrote:also laughing at trump supporters desperately trying to find any reason why their candidate lost except that there are more intelligent people in this country then braindead drooling retards this time around. cant wait for 2024
>Implying I'm even americanTimonk wrote:Tell us who you voted for maybe you feel comfortable saying that
I love this and the JEBposting tooScreemonster wrote:rudy giuliani set up a website for reporting voter fraud but there's no character limit on the form so people have just been sending him the entire bee movie
Grazyn wrote:I saw a video of an old guy in a Hawaiian shirt saying that Trump watermarked the ballots with isotopes so theres nothing to fear, the fraud will soon be exposed
ha ha ha i have no stake in this i dont care!XSI wrote:>Implying I'm even americanTimonk wrote:Tell us who you voted for maybe you feel comfortable saying that
I'm across the atlantic and I give no shits about this outside of the shitposting. Aside from that I am just very cynical and when I see bullshit I will call it out. There has 100% been fraud in the election, to say otherwise is naive and willfully ignorant. The only question is whether it's been enough to change the results in a meaningful way, and whether or not the courts find enough of it to change whatever the results are.
This has been the case in every US election since at the least Bush (When I started paying attention to it), but most likely long before that too
I love this and the JEBposting tooScreemonster wrote:rudy giuliani set up a website for reporting voter fraud but there's no character limit on the form so people have just been sending him the entire bee movie
But this is also a special kind of entertainment
Yes. The thing there was that Russia interfered by telling people to look up what Hillary did or something. Either way, not something that actually mattered or would sway anyone's vote. It was common knowledge that Hillary was not a very kind or friendly personGrazyn wrote:Wasn't the russian interference thing about hacked e-mails and not literally rigging votes?
Oh SHIT dude i just got absolutely fucking wrecked boys it's over, damn dude. What a fucking bummer man I just got owned dude I'll never recoverXSI wrote:Yes. The thing there was that Russia interfered by telling people to look up what Hillary did or something. Either way, not something that actually mattered or would sway anyone's vote. It was common knowledge that Hillary was not a very kind or friendly personGrazyn wrote:Wasn't the russian interference thing about hacked e-mails and not literally rigging votes?
Also I like how Sticky appears insane even when he is supporting someone who won for a change
Don't projectSuper Aggro Crag wrote:lmao calm down sticky take your meds
Did you read the Muellers Report, I wonder?XSI wrote:Yes. The thing there was that Russia interfered by telling people to look up what Hillary did or something. Either way, not something that actually matteredGrazyn wrote:Wasn't the russian interference thing about hacked e-mails and not literally rigging votes?
There isn't anything to sue over. He literally has no case at all. Throwing out the post-election day votes from PA wouldn't be enough to overturn the election even if 100% of them went to Biden. Additionally if Biden wins AZ, NV, and GA, then overturning PA outright also wouldn't be enough for Trump to win.Farquaar wrote:Listen, I'm not saying that I want it to go to court. I'm just saying that it probably will. Unless you think Trump will just tuck his rhetoric into his back pocket and sheepishly slink away after loudly proclaiming that there was election fraud.
It doesn't matter if the lawsuit will help Trump win the presidential race or not. There have been reports of Republican election observers being denied access to poll counting locations and video footage of poll workers covering up windows of counting rooms to prevent observers from looking in. This alone is a violation of Michigan state law.MisterPerson wrote:There isn't anything to sue over. He literally has no case at all. Throwing out the post-election day votes from PA wouldn't be enough to overturn the election even if 100% of them went to Biden. Additionally if Biden wins AZ, NV, and GA, then overturning PA outright also wouldn't be enough for Trump to win.Farquaar wrote:Listen, I'm not saying that I want it to go to court. I'm just saying that it probably will. Unless you think Trump will just tuck his rhetoric into his back pocket and sheepishly slink away after loudly proclaiming that there was election fraud.
Listen, I don't care if Trump is out of office. I never liked him, and I'm satisfied with the results of congressional and senate elections. Even if there was voter fraud, it would be on such a small scale that the outcome of the presidential race wouldn't really be affected. But it would make things easier for everyone if Democrats didn't go kicking and screaming every time a Republican points out an election irregularity. Transparency is key to making this go smoothly.MisterPerson wrote: That's not even getting into the simple fact there's no evidence of voter fraud.
This was not proven in court. Trump admin admitted they actually did have observers in there and so the case was dead in the waterFarquaar wrote:It doesn't matter if the lawsuit will help Trump win the presidential race or not. There have been reports of Republican election observers being denied access to poll counting locations and video footage of poll workers covering up windows of counting rooms to prevent observers from looking in. This alone is a violation of Michigan state law.MisterPerson wrote:There isn't anything to sue over. He literally has no case at all. Throwing out the post-election day votes from PA wouldn't be enough to overturn the election even if 100% of them went to Biden. Additionally if Biden wins AZ, NV, and GA, then overturning PA outright also wouldn't be enough for Trump to win.Farquaar wrote:Listen, I'm not saying that I want it to go to court. I'm just saying that it probably will. Unless you think Trump will just tuck his rhetoric into his back pocket and sheepishly slink away after loudly proclaiming that there was election fraud.
What Dems are doing are shooting down crackpot theories, not actual cases. Stopping disinformation is important, so when people claim that their vote wasn't counted because of a sharpie it's important to correct it whenever possible with the fact that sharpies are still counted for ballots.Farquaar wrote:Listen, I don't care if Trump is out of office. I never liked him, and I'm satisfied with the results of congressional and senate elections. Even if there was voter fraud, it would be on such a small scale that the outcome of the presidential race wouldn't really be affected. But it would make things easier for everyone if Democrats didn't go kicking and screaming every time a Republican points out an election irregularity. Transparency is key to making this go smoothly.MisterPerson wrote: That's not even getting into the simple fact there's no evidence of voter fraud.
I never said it was proven in court. I only said that the reports were sufficient to bring a court case. If the Trump campaign admitted that their observers were permitted inside, then of course their case falls apart, and they were stupid for submitting it in the first place.Armhulen wrote:This was not proven in court. Trump admin admitted they actually did have observers in there and so the case was dead in the waterFarquaar wrote: It doesn't matter if the lawsuit will help Trump win the presidential race or not. There have been reports of Republican election observers being denied access to poll counting locations and video footage of poll workers covering up windows of counting rooms to prevent observers from looking in. This alone is a violation of Michigan state law.
I'm all for shooting down crackpot theories, because I'm in favour of providing the public with accurate information. Again, transparency is key, and I'd like to see reasonable reports of irregularities addressed in a timely fashion. Everyone's talking past each other on this issue, and the media stonewalling on seemingly legitimate issues that had arisen in this election is only furthering the spread of misinformation, not tamping down on it.Armhulen wrote:What Dems are doing are shooting down crackpot theories, not actual cases. Stopping disinformation is important, so when people claim that their vote wasn't counted because of a sharpie it's important to correct it whenever possible with the fact that sharpies are still counted for ballots.Farquaar wrote:Listen, I don't care if Trump is out of office. I never liked him, and I'm satisfied with the results of congressional and senate elections. Even if there was voter fraud, it would be on such a small scale that the outcome of the presidential race wouldn't really be affected. But it would make things easier for everyone if Democrats didn't go kicking and screaming every time a Republican points out an election irregularity. Transparency is key to making this go smoothly.MisterPerson wrote: That's not even getting into the simple fact there's no evidence of voter fraud.
(motion to dismiss imminent on this backwater ass lawsuit)Spoiler:
Do they though?Farquaar wrote:and the media stonewalling on seemingly legitimate issues that had arisen in this election.
Perhaps I phrased that incorrectly. It is true that the media has published plenty of articles concerning spurious accusations that there was widespread organized voter fraud in key states. My criticism was more to the point that loud proclamations from the media that there was "zero election fraud" are objectively incorrect. There is small-scale election fraud in every election- 2020 was no exception.Lumbermancer wrote:Do they though?Farquaar wrote:and the media stonewalling on seemingly legitimate issues that had arisen in this election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -no-fraud/
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/fact ... 189820002/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/atlan ... aud-video/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/us/p ... fraud.html
etc. etc.
literally google "fraud" with state name, and look through the mainstream media
That's exactly what happened in all cases so far. Every single suit alleging even small improprieties has been thrown out of court for being meritless. If they have some other evidence, they need to bring it up. But they won't, because no such evidence exists, because there's not that kind of widespread voter fraud.Farquaar wrote: I never said it was proven in court. I only said that the reports were sufficient to bring a court case. If the Trump campaign admitted that their observers were permitted inside, then of course their case falls apart, and they were stupid for submitting it in the first place.
There's nothing to report. Literally. Lemme walk you through a case in PA. A Republican poll watcher alleged there were errors being made in the state's "curing" procedure where they correct errors with ballots. Two examples would be calling the person they got the vote from to make sure it's them or checking to make sure someone casting a provisional ballot didn't also mail a ballot. The complaint was over around 100 ballots in total, and the court determined that there were no errors being made and the ballots were valid.Farquaar wrote: I'm all for shooting down crackpot theories, because I'm in favour of providing the public with accurate information. Again, transparency is key, and I'd like to see reasonable reports of irregularities addressed in a timely fashion. Everyone's talking past each other on this issue, and the media stonewalling on seemingly legitimate issues that had arisen in this election is only furthering the spread of misinformation, not tamping down on it.
You don't "get" votes you have votes. A recount's only purpose is to remove fraudulent votes, not let SCOTUS decide who wins. Trust me on this, setting the precedent that the courts can randomly cut out however many votes they want to allow a party to win whilst also serving for life is a very quick way to lose the title of "democratic"Grazyn wrote:You don't have to complete a recount to flip a state. Just have the SCOTUS stop it while Trump is ahead
You're literally mad at your own words my dude.Super Aggro Crag wrote:amazing how quickly you flip from "dude i care about you you're a good guy" to "BITE THE FUCKING CURB BROKEBRAIN"
https://www.eipartnership.net/rapid-res ... nt-tell-usXSI wrote:If you're expecting 'democratic' from the US you're in for a lot of surprises both in the future and if you check the history books
That said the biggest things I've heard now is investigations into voting machines and counting software that re-assigned Trump votes to Biden in multiple key states. The same software was found to have led to irregularities in the 2016 election as well, though there's no solid proof of it doing any of this because for some reason voting machines are protected from inspections under multiple laws, including copyright and trade secret stuff
Here's a thing I got linked about those, highlighting the irregularities from 2016(Article from 2018)
https://medium.com/@inboulder/the-curio ... 9843a3fb6a
Tl;dr version:
Statistics and accountancy methods used to determine if someone bullshits numbers finds that some election results are very likely to have been tampered with
All these 'likely tampered' results came from places using a specific voting machine/system that has now been used in the 2020 election in many contested states
No conclusive evidence, just a lot of "Something looks to be very wrong here". It is entirely possible for this to be just coincidence, but it's what accountants use to catch people evading taxes and hiding financial data so it's likely that something has been messed with
wesoda25 wrote:lol
