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Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:54 am
by XivilaiAnaxes
IkeTG wrote:it's not really up to you is it

That's right! It's up to the 'free' market babyyyyy!

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:54 am
by IkeTG
XivilaiAnaxes wrote:
IkeTG wrote:it's not really up to you is it

That's right! It's up to the 'free' market babyyyyy!

uneducated response moment

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:41 pm
by cacogen
THE GOOD GUYS™ CAN'T STOP #WINNING

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/impeac ... 5WZFOMPLE/
(this not very good paper was the first result so you should find your own preferred source of spin)

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:05 am
by chocolate_bickie
cacogen wrote:THE GOOD GUYS™ CAN'T STOP #WINNING

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/impeac ... 5WZFOMPLE/
(this not very good paper was the first result so you should find your own preferred source of spin)


If this was DnD Trump would be chaotic evil who maxed charisma.

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:19 am
by thehogshotgun
Honestly the dems would have a better chance if some of the reasons they provided weren't outright false, they took a lot of shit out of context, although I do agree with the charge of incitement somewhat

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:22 am
by Super Aggro Crag
maybe they should focus on getting people their free money and stopping the coof instead of bothering a senior citizen who just wants to golf

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:19 am
by cacogen
chocolate_bickie wrote:
cacogen wrote:THE GOOD GUYS™ CAN'T STOP #WINNING

Image
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/impeac ... 5WZFOMPLE/
(this not very good paper was the first result so you should find your own preferred source of spin)


If this was DnD Trump would be chaotic evil who maxed charisma.

He's an autistic man with zero self-awareness and no desire to learn. From what I read the democrats and independents all voted to impeach him but didn't have the numbers to get the 2/3 majority needed alone and by being acquitted he has the opportunity to run again in 2024. Which is good, because such a popular potential republican candidate puts pressure on Joe to be less shit by actually making meaningful reforms if he doesn't want to be a one term president. Optimally they both die before then.

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:24 am
by thehogshotgun
cacogen wrote:
chocolate_bickie wrote:
cacogen wrote:THE GOOD GUYS™ CAN'T STOP #WINNING

Image
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/impeac ... 5WZFOMPLE/
(this not very good paper was the first result so you should find your own preferred source of spin)


If this was DnD Trump would be chaotic evil who maxed charisma.

He's an autistic man with zero self-awareness and no desire to learn. From what I read the democrats and independents all voted to impeach him but didn't have the numbers to get the 2/3 majority needed alone and by being acquitted he has the opportunity to run again in 2024. Which is good, because such a popular potential republican candidate puts pressure on Joe to be less shit by actually making meaningful reforms if he doesn't want to be a one term president. Optimally they both die before then.


Not really, I kinda wish he wouldn't be able to run so we could get some better candidates like Ron Desantis, I've heard he has the potential to be a pretty good candidate

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:41 am
by MMMiracles
republicans rarely break party lines and most of them are afraid of losing the base trump brought in, so it was kind of a given he'd get acquitted. the ones that voted guilty are already on their way out anyway or are so embedded in their current spot that even something like this probably doesn't hurt their re-election chances all that much.

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:51 am
by oranges
can we have a third impeachement? it's kind of fun to watch americans frothing about it

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:00 am
by terranaut
chocolate_bickie wrote:
cacogen wrote:THE GOOD GUYS™ CAN'T STOP #WINNING

Image
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/impeac ... 5WZFOMPLE/
(this not very good paper was the first result so you should find your own preferred source of spin)


If this was DnD Trump would be chaotic evil who maxed charisma.

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Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:36 pm
by XSI
oranges wrote:can we have a third impeachement? it's kind of fun to watch americans frothing about it


This please

We already knew he wouldn't be convicted of anything, but it was still entertaining

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:06 am
by Grazyn
cacogen wrote:
chocolate_bickie wrote:
cacogen wrote:THE GOOD GUYS™ CAN'T STOP #WINNING

Image
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/impeac ... 5WZFOMPLE/
(this not very good paper was the first result so you should find your own preferred source of spin)


If this was DnD Trump would be chaotic evil who maxed charisma.

He's an autistic man with zero self-awareness and no desire to learn. From what I read the democrats and independents all voted to impeach him but didn't have the numbers to get the 2/3 majority needed alone and by being acquitted he has the opportunity to run again in 2024. Which is good, because such a popular potential republican candidate puts pressure on Joe to be less shit by actually making meaningful reforms if he doesn't want to be a one term president. Optimally they both die before then.

Isn't Biden supposed to be a one-term president anyway?

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:58 am
by cacogen
Is he?

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:10 am
by Armhulen
I wouldn't say either way, 4 years changes a lot

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:12 am
by Grazyn
I mean, considering he was supposed to be a 0-term president...

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:18 am
by Armhulen
Grazyn wrote:I mean, considering he was supposed to be a 0-term president...

I-I'M GONNA LET THIS ONE SLIDE

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:25 pm
by XSI
I'd be a little surprised if he's still alive and conscious at the end of 4 years
But if he makes it there, why would they not try to keep him in?

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:28 pm
by thehogshotgun
XSI wrote:I'd be a little surprised if he's still alive and conscious at the end of 4 years
But if he makes it there, why would they not try to keep him in?


Because he's a fucking moderate! Soon enough the dems will nominate a commie and we'll be fucked!

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:54 pm
by Timonk
^ republican bait

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:07 pm
by Rohen_Tahir
Timonk wrote:^ republican bait

Thanks, very useful.

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:13 pm
by thehogshotgun
Timonk wrote:^ republican bait


quit being a buzzkill you fuck

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:18 pm
by Timonk
thehogshotgun wrote: hurr durr

Trump lost get over it

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:28 pm
by thehogshotgun
Timonk wrote:
thehogshotgun wrote: hurr durr

Trump lost get over it



I'm not a trumper? lmao

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:41 pm
by Armhulen
thehogshotgun wrote:
XSI wrote:I'd be a little surprised if he's still alive and conscious at the end of 4 years
But if he makes it there, why would they not try to keep him in?


Because he's a fucking moderate! Soon enough the dems will nominate a commie and we'll be fucked!

You know our party electing a non moderate would be pretty cool considering you guys always get real conservatives

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:36 pm
by XivilaiAnaxes
I mean Sanders ran twice and lost to a moderately likeable guy and an incredibly hated crone.

Granted his failure was more his own fault for refusing to ever go on the offensive even when the party is obviously fucking him.

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:47 am
by Armhulen
XivilaiAnaxes wrote:I mean Sanders ran twice and lost to a moderately likeable guy and an incredibly hated crone.

Granted his failure was more his own fault for refusing to ever go on the offensive even when the party is obviously fucking him.

Sanders was fucked because the dems are looking for moderates. A lot of news sources ignored sanders entirely at the request of other news sites and DNC

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:23 am
by Grazyn
Sanders focused on issues for young people but young people don't vote, that's what fucked him

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:16 am
by Armhulen
actually fair

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:05 pm
by XivilaiAnaxes
No way, Sanders failed to get voters because he failed to act proactively.

All of Sanders moves were either basic talking points or purely passive reactions to other campaign's attacks on him.

The dems split his vote this year's primaries, guy doesn't even bother to address the glaring party strategy to screw him over while fucking Trump of all people is commenting on it. Black protestors take his mic on stage, guy just sits there while they take a giant shit on the political campaign of the candidate that actually gives a slight fuck about them. He could have done anything to actually engage with them and make it a huge positive note for his campaign, guy just sits there like a pariah at the school dance, while the two morons just shriek at the audience. I can't think of a single Sanders campaign move other than "Yeah here's my positions", which is less of a move and more of an expectation. Honestly imo it's a great life lesson - guy refused to act to seize the win, basically sat around with the attitude of "if the Americans want me they'll vote for me whatever man" *shrug*.

Unironically, if Sanders were a winner it wouldn't have been close.

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:36 pm
by thehogshotgun
You have far too much faith in Bernie supporters lol. Anyways the last thing we need is twice as much debt

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:00 pm
by Grazyn
XivilaiAnaxes wrote:No way, Sanders failed to get voters because he failed to act proactively.

All of Sanders moves were either basic talking points or purely passive reactions to other campaign's attacks on him.

The dems split his vote this year's primaries, guy doesn't even bother to address the glaring party strategy to screw him over while fucking Trump of all people is commenting on it. Black protestors take his mic on stage, guy just sits there while they take a giant shit on the political campaign of the candidate that actually gives a slight fuck about them. He could have done anything to actually engage with them and make it a huge positive note for his campaign, guy just sits there like a pariah at the school dance, while the two morons just shriek at the audience. I can't think of a single Sanders campaign move other than "Yeah here's my positions", which is less of a move and more of an expectation. Honestly imo it's a great life lesson - guy refused to act to seize the win, basically sat around with the attitude of "if the Americans want me they'll vote for me whatever man" *shrug*.

Unironically, if Sanders were a winner it wouldn't have been close.

I didn't really follow the primaries but I was under the impression Sanders had a pretty radical platform, wasn't it the reason he was called a socialist? Also no attacking your own party isn't a great idea unless you are already the most popular guy in the party (like Trump and the GOP), and people tend to not like whiners who don't have at least a few wins under their belt

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:25 pm
by XSI
Armhulen wrote:
thehogshotgun wrote:
XSI wrote:I'd be a little surprised if he's still alive and conscious at the end of 4 years
But if he makes it there, why would they not try to keep him in?


Because he's a fucking moderate! Soon enough the dems will nominate a commie and we'll be fucked!

You know our party electing a non moderate would be pretty cool considering you guys always get real conservatives


I don't like how 'international finance and corporation supporting guy open to warmongering' is the western standard for 'moderate'
But then I guess 80+ years of coups in third world countries to force them to grow bananas/give up their resources and invading sand dunes for oil has worked to keep them in power, so it's clearly working for some of them

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:10 pm
by thehogshotgun
XSI wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
thehogshotgun wrote:
XSI wrote:I'd be a little surprised if he's still alive and conscious at the end of 4 years
But if he makes it there, why would they not try to keep him in?


Because he's a fucking moderate! Soon enough the dems will nominate a commie and we'll be fucked!

You know our party electing a non moderate would be pretty cool considering you guys always get real conservatives


I don't like how 'international finance and corporation supporting guy open to warmongering' is the western standard for 'moderate'
But then I guess 80+ years of coups in third world countries to force them to grow bananas/give up their resources and invading sand dunes for oil has worked to keep them in power, so it's clearly working for some of them


We didn’t invade the Middle East for oil you dumbass, that’s just a populist myth

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:15 pm
by Timonk
what was it for then? the human rights hurting parts of Saudi arabia are still there

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:27 pm
by thehogshotgun
Timonk wrote:what was it for then? the human rights hurting parts of Saudi arabia are still there


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhXFgKEkwbU

5:00

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:34 pm
by Timonk
Aka "I try to get more influence over country to gain their resources but they sell them to China instead"

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:38 pm
by XivilaiAnaxes
Grazyn wrote:I didn't really follow the primaries but I was under the impression Sanders had a pretty radical platform, wasn't it the reason he was called a socialist?

You misinterpreted my expression "basic talking points", I meant it in that he would only ever say his policies over and over as opposed to his policies being what everyone else was spouting.
Grazyn wrote:Also no attacking your own party isn't a great idea unless you are already the most popular guy in the party (like Trump and the GOP), and people tend to not like whiners who don't have at least a few wins under their belt

This is the sentence actually that tells me you didn't follow the primaries. Trump started in vaguely the same boat as sanders - nonstandard policy talk, mostly political unknown. Trump didn't start "the most popular guy in the party", he 'earned' it after he basically day one WWE threw Jeb Bush (The heir apparent establishment candidate) into a trashcan by pointing out what a spineless human being he was. After that he spent practically the entire primaries with the talking point of "The Establishment dinosaurs all ganging up on me, I'm still gonna win lol".

Sanders problem was that for all intents and purposes he refused to do anything that might be risky to the point of inaction. He'd basically watch his opponents run their campaigns around him and refused to even slightly attack them with the attitude of "my policy is better so obviously I'm going to win". Elections are popularity contests, not "Who creates the best policy" - that happens after you win.

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:44 pm
by thehogshotgun
Timonk wrote:Aka "I try to get more influence over country to gain their resources but they sell them to China instead"


Cope anti-war pussyboy

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:54 pm
by Timonk
Ooh Yea people getting brutally murdered for money what a great concept

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:55 pm
by oranges
thehogshotgun wrote:You have far too much faith in Bernie supporters lol. Anyways the last thing we need is twice as much debt

you must vote democrat considering recent republican performances then lmao

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:38 am
by actioninja
thehogshotgun wrote:
Timonk wrote:what was it for then? the human rights hurting parts of Saudi arabia are still there


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhXFgKEkwbU

5:00

>Unironically citing kraut and tea as a source
lmao

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:05 am
by XivilaiAnaxes
actioninja wrote:>Unironically citing kraut and tea as a source
lmao

I decided to see what kind of 'source' it was.

first fucking minute and I'm already thinking "bruh you stupid"

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:46 am
by cacogen
XivilaiAnaxes wrote:No way, Sanders failed to get voters because he failed to act proactively.

All of Sanders moves were either basic talking points or purely passive reactions to other campaign's attacks on him.

The dems split his vote this year's primaries, guy doesn't even bother to address the glaring party strategy to screw him over while fucking Trump of all people is commenting on it. Black protestors take his mic on stage, guy just sits there while they take a giant shit on the political campaign of the candidate that actually gives a slight fuck about them. He could have done anything to actually engage with them and make it a huge positive note for his campaign, guy just sits there like a pariah at the school dance, while the two morons just shriek at the audience. I can't think of a single Sanders campaign move other than "Yeah here's my positions", which is less of a move and more of an expectation. Honestly imo it's a great life lesson - guy refused to act to seize the win, basically sat around with the attitude of "if the Americans want me they'll vote for me whatever man" *shrug*.

Unironically, if Sanders were a winner it wouldn't have been close.

I'm reading you say he didn't act proactively and hearing that he was spineless like Jeb! and lacked the people skills necessary to win people over. It's a shame because the meme at least is he had great policies and a great track record.

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:56 am
by XivilaiAnaxes
cacogen wrote:I'm reading you say he didn't act proactively and hearing that he was spineless like Jeb! and lacked the people skills necessary to win people over. It's a shame because the meme at least is he had great policies and a great track record.

Totally - he's a solid guy all around, at absolute worst I might think his understanding of economics and resource management might be a bit off he at least appears to genuinely want to make life better for everyone.

I wouldn't totally say Bernie was spineless in the way that Jeb! would just roll over like a dog if you shouted something mean at him. It's just his strategy was more or less "yep good policies good track record that's it I'm done voters will come to me". I wouldn't even say he really lacked people skills. He just refused to make moves and get the voters. The only time he'd refer to other candidates at all was either "DONALD J TRUMP!!!" or if he's being defensive when the other democrats would poke at him.

By contrast - AOC is actually fairly interesting. She'll blatantly accuse Ted Cruze of attempted murder and won't take people's shit laying down.

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:08 pm
by thehogshotgun
By contrast - AOC is actually fairly interesting. She'll blatantly accuse Ted Cruze of attempted murder and won't take people's shit laying down.


AOC is just a left wing version of Trump where they have no idea how anything works yet is worshipped by people, just by redditards instead of 4chantards. If you’ve read some of her idiotic bills she knows jack shit. It’s crazy how these people laugh at trumpers for being indoctrinated whilst licking the boots of AOC. Plus she’s just fucking annoying, again like Trump she seems desperate for attention

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:47 pm
by Grazyn
Timonk wrote:what was it for then? the human rights hurting parts of Saudi arabia are still there

Long story short, we tricked America into thinking Saddam was making WMDs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:03 pm
by Not-Dorsidarf
thehogshotgun wrote:
By contrast - AOC is actually fairly interesting. She'll blatantly accuse Ted Cruze of attempted murder and won't take people's shit laying down.


AOC is just a left wing version of Trump where they have no idea how anything works yet is worshipped by people, just by redditards instead of 4chantards. If you’ve read some of her idiotic bills she knows jack shit. It’s crazy how these people laugh at trumpers for being indoctrinated whilst licking the boots of AOC. Plus she’s just fucking annoying, again like Trump she seems desperate for attention


Got some examples of idiot bills that show she doesn't know anything?

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:10 pm
by XSI
AOC is incredibly entertaining to someone like me who doesn't have to be bothered by her attempts at doing government things
She seems to be insane, and at the same time they accuse others of insane shit

Also of course the Iraq thing wasn't literally to go get oil. It was a combination of factors including a show of force to make oil-producing countries sell in dollars for the petrodollar(Look at Libya too), destabilizing the region so there is less resistance to Israel's shit, and keeping the military equipment manufacturing in business by ensuring a demand for their goods.
"For the oil" is just a reference to the petrodollar, which allows the US a much greater international power projection and helps the US currency so long as enough of the world's oil supply is sold only in dollars

Re: Rip trump

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:44 pm
by thehogshotgun
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:
thehogshotgun wrote:
By contrast - AOC is actually fairly interesting. She'll blatantly accuse Ted Cruze of attempted murder and won't take people's shit laying down.


AOC is just a left wing version of Trump where they have no idea how anything works yet is worshipped by people, just by redditards instead of 4chantards. If you’ve read some of her idiotic bills she knows jack shit. It’s crazy how these people laugh at trumpers for being indoctrinated whilst licking the boots of AOC. Plus she’s just fucking annoying, again like Trump she seems desperate for attention


Got some examples of idiot bills that show she doesn't know anything?



Her “A just society” is built on faulty data and has many issues, but the one that I mainly know of is her suggestions of up to 70, 80% tax rates for the rich, due to America having such rates for a long time, ignoring the fact that the tax codes in that era had a ton of tax breaks and exceptions, something most tax historians would tell you. Of course AOC doesn’t care because she believes in eat the rich