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[Malkraz]

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 1&p=588707
2018 tg: You can't genocide the station due to a few naughty crew
2021 tg: You can't defend your own life more than once
just remove golem at this point then lol

[thehogshotgun]

As an iron golem got into an altercation with a crew member that resulted in them lethally killing the crew member.

As opposed to non-lethally killing them?

[Rohen_Tahir]

As an iron golem got into an altercation with a crew member that resulted in them lethally killing the crew member.

As opposed to non-lethally killing them?

He killed the crewmember to death.

[chocolate_bickie]

Logs might shed some light on this but my thinking is if non-sec get involved in other players conflict they open themself up to the same level of escalation.

Also how unrobust were those players that they used lethals first and both died?

Golems can't even use guns!

[Screemonster]

As an iron golem got into an altercation with a crew member that resulted in them lethally killing the crew member.

As opposed to non-lethally killing them?

people die when they are killed

[Farquaar]

Was he a lavaland golem or a science golem?

[NoxVS]

Was he a lavaland golem or a science golem?

Science

[Tlaltecuhtli]

4 sybil players died to a unarmed golem, the state of american servers

[Screemonster]

okay so golem or not

if a nonantag mistakes you for a traitor and attacks you, are you supposed to just lie down and take it now

guess I'm not allowed to kill someone that's actively attacking me

[Horza]

okay so golem or not

if a nonantag mistakes you for a traitor and attacks you, are you supposed to just lie down and take it now

guess I'm not allowed to kill someone that's actively attacking me

No you can only kill the person that you validly escalated but anyone standing nearby without an accurate assessment of the situation can kill you and you have to sit there and die.

[Super Aggro Crag]

"i picked a fight and died BAN HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

[FantasticFwoosh]

4 sybil players died to a unarmed golem, the state of american servers

They should know thier place, Smoothskin trash.

At the same time any golem worth any grit would have teleported mechsuits straight in and blazed the entire station down with attack-waves of chadgyaxes for their insolence so i am sorely disappointed by both parties.

[XivilaiAnaxes]

Bruh didnt they say they were going to properly forum ban you after Deedub appealed?

It's a scam man, a total jannie conspiracy.

[oranges]

4 sybil players died to a unarmed golem, the state of american servers

They should know thier place, Smoothskin trash.

At the same time any golem worth any grit would have teleported mechsuits straight in and blazed the entire station down with attack-waves of chadgyaxes for their insolence so i am sorely disappointed by both parties.

it was a science golem

[cacogen]

>russell shazbit stutterwhore destroyed by science's hubris
>idiots then get their asses handed to them trying to intervene
that's roleplay baby

[FantasticFwoosh]

it was a science golem

This makes no objective difference, merely a pronged attack from a seperate angle on the provoctuer.

[Screemonster]

okay so
if a nonantag is attacked by another nonantag and kills their attacker, that's fine
if another nonantag witnesses this and attacks the survivor and is killed too, that's suddenly not?
What would happen if the defending player lost? Would it be valid (because defending yourself against a lethal attack with lethal force makes you valid apparently) or would the third-party get banned for killing a nonantag?

If I, a nonantag player witnessing a fight with no context, attack the survivor and someone ends up dead, why should the person I attacked be on the hook for a ban if I lose if I'm not on the hook for nonantag murder if I win?

If golems are subject to relaxed escalation in both directions then that pushes things even more in the direction of "nobody should get banned" than if it were a crewmember.

edit:

This will likely require a headmin to overrule as I reviewed the logs and spoke to Brayd during the round after.

They were not disrespectful but somewhat dismissive of the idea that self defense collateral to multiple others was ok.

At the end of the day a Iron Golem got into it with a crew member and it ended deadly for the crew member. Two additional crew members died trying to fight the killer golem. This could have been avoided with restraint and common sense when playing a ghost role. I will not be over turning the 2 day ban. This is in the hands of the headmin to overturn. Your previous notes played a part in my decision but the ban stands alone on merit of death count.

it could also have been avoided with some restraint and common sense on the part of the two dipshits who decided "A FIGHT, I'LL JOIN IN REGARDLESS OF CONTEXT" and got their asses handed to them

[oranges]

it was a science golem

This makes no objective difference, merely a pronged attack from a seperate angle on the provoctuer.

So where would they get the teleporting mechs from jason

[FantasticFwoosh]

Its the middle of science, the mecca of powergaming makes this approach trivial. Simply build a 3-machine gate teleporter with a grid independent hacked APC if fearful of AI intervention. Kevinz revoked the AI's ability to do anything about unrestrained technology aeons ago in deleting technodes, or much least saboteurs can gather the nessecary resources from the teleporter room and anything else out of the ore silo.

Having a golem out and about to scout as a spotter with a marked teleporter beacon in a concealed place for a co-ordinate to lay down helps or just land in normal convenience spots. Instantly applicable war crimes as mechs materialise out of thin air around the station.

[Yenwodyah]

just remove golem at this point then lol

[oranges]

I agree but only because I think they're kind of boring

[Mothblocks]

I agree but only because I think they're kind of boring

came here to say this havent even read the appeal or any other reply

[cacogen]

They've always been slow as fuck which makes them intolerable to play as. If I remember correctly this was insurance against the kneejerk backlash to introducing a feature that allows players to come back as humanoids on the station.

[Rohen_Tahir]

They've always been slow as fuck which makes them intolerable to play as. If I remember correctly this was insurance against the kneejerk backlash to introducing a feature that allows players to come back as humanoids on the station.

>he doesn't know how to quickgolem

[cacogen]

For at least the free golems I don't think they need the slowdown to begin with.

[XivilaiAnaxes]

based