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Post by thehogshotgun » #591043

Bottom post of the previous page:

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I don’t like jackrip, he’s ruined many an antag round of mine but...for fucks sake man this jannie is such a fucking loser
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Post by bobbahbrown » #591243

i think several challenging concepts come up with this complaint:

1. what constitutes a low-pop environment? this would help to clarify if the administrator was right in taking action under the recently-ruled policy thread relating to administrators taking action on low-pop murderbone. the round in question had 27 crewmen.
2. what constitutes reasonable use of "their [admin] tools to speed the round along in isolated cases" (as the wording of the ruling says on the policy thread); should the player be targeted directly by an administrator like this, or should it be an action taken on a more station-wide level, like a forced shuttle call, or bringing dead players back into the fold as event mobs.
3. should we consider the more-defined approach of point 2, or is that too restrictive of administrators? we largely in part trust our administrators to make good judgement calls, and personally i feel point 2 may be something that does not require consideration.

i think in this case the administrator directly targeting the player looks bad, sure, but i am inclined to agree that they may have been trying to do so in the best of the server's interest. administrators are ultimately there to keep the game fun, and so the bottom question would be if this was both an abuse of their power against a player (possibly), and an ineffective way of keeping the round enjoyable for all players.

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Post by ShibaInuLord » #591244

CoffeeDragon16 wrote:
jackrip wrote:
FloranOtten wrote:27 people from the game for up to an hour for the enjoyment of one.
If I'm murderboning I call the shuttle as soon as it can be called. Usually everyone's dead by 20 min anyways

I don't recall, I don't destroy consoles, I call at 23 minutes on the dot. This usually keeps pop from dropping too hard
this is a lie I see you drag on bone rounds >40 minutes, until EVERYONE on the station is dead
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Post by CDranzer » #591245

EOBGames wrote:Murderboning is about the least code-problem thing that I can think of in the game- unless we're going to remove everything that does damage, you can't stop it with code.
Imagine coding a feature that gives a single player the tools to slaughter half the server unassisted and then saying it's a problem with administration when it happens
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Post by Qbmax32 » #591249

i think the argument that krusvik could have smited/fucked with jackrip for murderboning had he not played in the round could be made but holy shit how do you think it'll look doing that after playing in said round and being actively killed by the person you are now smiting. even if their intentions were good the optics just look stupid.
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Post by EOBGames » #591251

CDranzer wrote:
EOBGames wrote:Murderboning is about the least code-problem thing that I can think of in the game- unless we're going to remove everything that does damage, you can't stop it with code.
Imagine coding a feature that gives a single player the tools to slaughter half the server unassisted and then saying it's a problem with administration when it happens
I didn't code the feature. I also find a lot of the uplink tools to be stupid. But in my experience of watching murderbones, there were very few that were done with uplink tools- most were centred around a stun baton and guns from the armory. My point is that you cannot solve murderbone with code, as no matter what you remove, change or tweak, a new meta item will simply rise to take its place, and we can't keep up that game of whack a mole. Hence, it's an administrative issue, specifically one of policy.
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EOBGames wrote:My point is that you cannot solve murderbone with code
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Post by saprasam » #591259

holy shit krusvik's reasoning was quite literally "i dont like how you play so im gonna grief you constantly and it's ok because you're still killing people"
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Post by Fikou » #591261

oops! zat vas not medizin
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Post by Tlaltecuhtli » #591264

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Post by Armhulen » #591265

YOU JUST LOST SOCIAL CREDIT POINTS..
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Post by FloranOtten » #591267

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:jannies and manuelcucks defending the admin doing the worst thing he could have done cause they have metagrudges towards a player who have never interacted with
LOL
Nobody is defending him. We're defending the general concept of punishing for murderboning.

I mean, fuck man. Don't touch things that affected you. Don't use admin tools anywhere NEAR antags that even brushed you.

I fucked up like this once myself. Banned the guy that killed me. Didn't realize he'd killed me at the time. Massive clusterfuck of a round so I banned a guy with bad notes for murdering someone else. Only when checking his buddy's killcount for ban length did I see the log where he'd killed me. You know what I did? Fuckin' unbanned the guy, left an apology message. Don't touch folks that fucked with you. Even if you had the best intentions.
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Post by jackrip » #591270

why are things getting removed in a peanut post
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Post by Armhulen » #591271

jackrip wrote:why are things getting removed in a peanut post
Because they're seriously off topic, contentless, and derail the discussion?
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jackrip wrote:why are things getting removed in a peanut post
Global forum rules apply to all forums.
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Post by jackrip » #591280

there are so many things in this thread that hurt me

people saying if I hadn't killed the admin he would have been justified in ruining my round for 27 pop bone

people talking about me being a lowpop mass murderer when it was a 27 pop shift

coffee lying yet again

admins trying to shift the entirety of the blame of servers being lowpop on me

getting called a massive shitter like I'm just here to ruin tgstation and not help yall get better at combat and give the crew a challenge.
i really try to balance my playstyle with being reasonable, I reduce a lot of pain where others who murderbone don't. I call the shuttle immediately, I mix it up with interesting gimmicks, I don't even lowpop murderbone that shit is a myth, if someone says I do please come forward with evidence. there's just so much vitriol at this point, the admins seem to have become completely blind to everything I do that isn't murderboning.

I do my job, I help new players, I make friends and I try to be an active part of the community. I murderbone, but I murderbone as painlessly as possible. Yet here I am, burned at the stake with zero evidence or stats, just pure blind hatred.

I try to do right by the community but all you see is the bone, you never see anything that doesn't fit your stereotype of me.
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Armhulen wrote:Because they're seriously [b][b][b][b][b]off topic[/b][/b][/b][/b][/b], contentless, and derail the discussion?
OFF TOPIC
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XivilaiAnaxes wrote:
Armhulen wrote:Because they're seriously [b][b][b][b][b]off topic[/b][/b][/b][/b][/b], contentless, and derail the discussion?
OFF TOPIC
off topic means regarding forums and other non-game stuff AKA this peanut thread, it doesn't mean hut rules and spamming. Why would they be global rules otherwise
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CDranzer wrote:
EOBGames wrote:Murderboning is about the least code-problem thing that I can think of in the game- unless we're going to remove everything that does damage, you can't stop it with code.
Imagine coding a feature that gives a single player the tools to slaughter half the server unassisted and then saying it's a problem with administration when it happens
Jackrip has repeated rounds when BB was enabled murderboning with just a stun baton and a fire axe, or just whatever's around him.

I personally believe in the sentiment of "most player problems are design issues in disguise", but fixing murderboning is essentially just creating an entirely new game at that point.

I suggest you get coding.
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Post by Malkraz » #591288

Did you try killing him
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jackrip wrote: getting called a massive shitter like I'm just here to ruin tgstation and not help yall get better at combat and give the crew a challenge.
i really try to balance my playstyle with being reasonable, I reduce a lot of pain where others who murderbone don't. I call the shuttle immediately, I mix it up with interesting gimmicks, I don't even lowpop murderbone that shit is a myth, if someone says I do please come forward with evidence. there's just so much vitriol at this point, the admins seem to have become completely blind to everything I do that isn't murderboning.

I do my job, I help new players, I make friends and I try to be an active part of the community. I murderbone, but I murderbone as painlessly as possible. Yet here I am, burned at the stake with zero evidence or stats, just pure blind hatred.

I try to do right by the community but all you see is the bone, you never see anything that doesn't fit your stereotype of me.
road to hell is paved with good intentions, but claiming your intentions are "to help the rest of the game get better at combat" made me lol.

the fact you are arguing that you compromise your behavior by making it less shitty should maybe be cause for pause, idk. Seems like a really weird way to defend yourself.

To be clear yes actual lowpop murderbone does kill the server, thats why you can get btfod for it. Yes, if an admin doesnt like how the round is going they can interact with it through their admin powers (so long as they dont have a personal stake in the matter, which is what happened here), as they are just as much of a DM as they are rule enforcement. Just as you believe rule 10 applies to all the people you off in your "wacky gimmicks", regardless of how valid they personally believe the kill was, you too have to abide by that rule and accept that an external force which you have no control, such as admins, may influence the round in a way that negatively impacts you regardless of how valid you personally believe that force was. The only time it really becomes cringe is when they do it in a way that is technically IC but may as well been OOC, such as just straight up deleting you or killing you or whatever.
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Cobby wrote:
jackrip wrote: getting called a massive shitter like I'm just here to ruin tgstation and not help yall get better at combat and give the crew a challenge.
i really try to balance my playstyle with being reasonable, I reduce a lot of pain where others who murderbone don't. I call the shuttle immediately, I mix it up with interesting gimmicks, I don't even lowpop murderbone that shit is a myth, if someone says I do please come forward with evidence. there's just so much vitriol at this point, the admins seem to have become completely blind to everything I do that isn't murderboning.

I do my job, I help new players, I make friends and I try to be an active part of the community. I murderbone, but I murderbone as painlessly as possible. Yet here I am, burned at the stake with zero evidence or stats, just pure blind hatred.

I try to do right by the community but all you see is the bone, you never see anything that doesn't fit your stereotype of me.
road to hell is paved with good intentions, but claiming your intentions are "to help the rest of the game get better at combat" made me lol.

the fact you are arguing that you compromise your behavior by making it less shitty should maybe be cause for pause, idk. Seems like a really weird way to defend yourself.

To be clear yes actual lowpop murderbone does kill the server, thats why you can get btfod for it. Yes, if an admin doesnt like how the round is going they can interact with it through their admin powers (so long as they dont have a personal stake in the matter, which is what happened here), as they are just as much of a DM as they are rule enforcement. Just as you believe rule 10 applies to all the people you off in your "wacky gimmicks", regardless of how valid they personally believe the kill was, you too have to abide by that rule and accept that an external force which you have no control, such as admins, may influence the round in a way that negatively impacts you regardless of how valid you personally believe that force was. The only time it really becomes cringe is when they do it in a way that is technically IC but may as well been OOC, such as just straight up deleting you or killing you or whatever.

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Post by Cobby » #591295

Dont think so just get tired of the same gimmick of lol murderbone everyround with the latest and greatest strat done throughout the years but not a single person has the realization that the gimmick isnt original.

I must have killed you though, there was an hour between his post and mine but you consistently hit under 5 minutes with your replies to me.
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Post by Tlaltecuhtli » #591300

wait this happened on sybil not bagil, no wonder why no one stopped him
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Post by jackrip » #591303

Cobby wrote:road to hell is paved with good intentions, but claiming your intentions are "to help the rest of the game get better at combat" made me lol.

the fact you are arguing that you compromise your behavior by making it less shitty should maybe be cause for pause, idk. Seems like a really weird way to defend yourself.

To be clear yes actual lowpop murderbone does kill the server, thats why you can get btfod for it. Yes, if an admin doesnt like how the round is going they can interact with it through their admin powers (so long as they dont have a personal stake in the matter, which is what happened here), as they are just as much of a DM as they are rule enforcement. Just as you believe rule 10 applies to all the people you off in your "wacky gimmicks", regardless of how valid they personally believe the kill was, you too have to abide by that rule and accept that an external force which you have no control, such as admins, may influence the round in a way that negatively impacts you regardless of how valid you personally believe that force was. The only time it really becomes cringe is when they do it in a way that is technically IC but may as well been OOC, such as just straight up deleting you or killing you or whatever.
Why would I not want the playerbase to get better? Bagil is in a wretched state right now, seems like the majority of players have no idea how combat works much less how to stop an antagonist. I've said this so many times, the only way for them to get better is to practice. I can support this by the very frequent boxing matches and holodeck fights I have where I challenge the crew and teach them to right.

Yes, I murderbone because it can be fun, but yes I also murderbone because no one is going to get better without conflict.

As for the lowpop murderbone paragraph not sure why you included that, I agree that lowpop murderbone is pretty shitty. 27 pop though? That's only shitty if you suck at the game.

And as for my gimmicks unless you have seen them you can't really speak to them. Going around breaking everyone's legs but not killing them, creating skeleton cults, hypnoflash revs, meat mazes, bluespace launchpad memes, trading for christmas trees, assassin for hire, as antag I've done all of this and much more.

Admins shouldn't have the right to smite people for murdering others on normal pop. It's been discussed before but ert / bringing people back into the game is the right answer. Those saying it's a reward are completely ignoring the fact that it brings those who died back into the fold.
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Post by BONERMASTER » #591305

Listen, I get it that when you're popping off and the adrenaline kicks in, that you're feeling really good and just keep on killing, understandable. But what in the hells are you doing reframing this into a tough love act? :mrgreen: "I'm just providing them a challenge!" lmao dude, that is the most ratty shit I have read in a while, and can also be easily turned back on you:

If the admin transforms you into a fat, blabbering retard with knotted shoes, he is just increasing the challenge and allowing you to become a better fighter. He is also evening out the odds, so since you are CLEARLY a better fighter, a fairer fight would mean more improvement for the players fighting you, really. And therefore, the admin just followed in your suit, and did nothing wrong, yes? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by oranges » #591311

lmaoing at jackrip trying to justify it
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Post by Cobby » #591313

guys look in 4000 rounds i play in and of the ones i get antag i have like 10 ive done once or twice that are super hilarious totally awesome! Because you personally werent witness to the 10 le epic funny ones you certainly cannot speak to any of my conduct!!

You can just say you enjoy the thrill of murderboning and not act like when you do it you're doing it for the players because if you want them to get better at combat you can do that in a way that isnt murderboning. I cannot take u seriously if you are going to push that your murderbones are for the betterment of the server. If they were (they r not, even rule 4 zealots say that), youd still be silly arguing you were doing it purposefully for that reason and not just because you personally enjoy it.

I brought up the lowpop thing, and clarified im talking about actual lowpop (not 27 people), because you mentioned lowpop...
Admins shouldn't have the right to smite people for murdering others on normal pop. It's been discussed before but ert / bringing people back into the game is the right answer. Those saying it's a reward are completely ignoring the fact that it brings those who died back into the fold.
They have a right to give you a challenge OR tell you to knock it off or face godly consequences, which is where smiting comes in. Either I think are valid IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A PERSONAL STAKE IN IT. If you get warned to not do it and still do it, you open yourself up to more lamer ways of being punished and eventually removed. I personally dont encourage the challenge bit because thats what you want, and isnt actually deterring you from just loling the server in the future.

Your antag rounds arent sacred, and an admin can push back on behavior icly if its disrupting the round in a negative way. Rule 4 does NOT protect against godly intervention, you just wont get banned for it.
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Post by RaveRadbury » #591315

jackrip wrote: yes I also murderbone because no one is going to get better without conflict.
This is terrible justification. Most competitive games offer a training mode, because throwing someone into the deep end is a guaranteed way to get them to quit. It's also why match-making ELO exists, to provide people with challenge equal to their abilities. Getting instantly BTFO with maybe one or two chances to click correctly in a round is not going to increase anyone's skill with the game.

If you care about improving player combat abilities roll assistant and announce fight training in the dorms arena. I'm sure people would show up for this, given your robust reputation, and really appreciate it. Some doctor would enjoy setting up emergency care nearby for all the bloodshed that will occur. Please consider doing this.
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Post by jackrip » #591320

oranges wrote:lmaoing at jackrip trying to justify it
BONERMASTER wrote:Listen, I get it that when you're popping off and the adrenaline kicks in, that you're feeling really good and just keep on killing, understandable. But what in the hells are you doing reframing this into a tough love act?
Cobby wrote:You can just say you enjoy the thrill of murderboning and not act like when you do it you're doing it for the players because if you want them to get better at combat you can do that in a way that isnt murderboning.

jackrip wrote: Yes, I murderbone because it can be fun
What amazes me is how you think I am wrong. How on earth is the playerbase going to get better without conflict?
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Post by jackrip » #591321

RaveRadbury wrote:If you care about improving player combat abilities roll assistant and announce fight training in the dorms arena. I'm sure people would show up for this, given your robust reputation, and really appreciate it. Some doctor would enjoy setting up emergency care nearby for all the bloodshed that will occur. Please consider doing this.
jackrip wrote:I've said this so many times, the only way for them to get better is to practice. I can support this by the very frequent boxing matches and holodeck fights I have where I challenge the crew and teach them to right.
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Post by oranges » #591322

he's actually losing it live !

I think my favourite bit is his suggestion that the only possible type of conflict there is is one person murdering everyone on the station
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Post by Agux909 » #591328

It really is way more satisfying when admins get creative and organize ERTs or such events (anything, really) than for the only one present at the time to use lame admin tools to interfere with the instigator just to annoy the heck out of them.
By principle, let's be honest and say this was approached by one of the cringiest angles possible already.

People are usually less toxic and care less about dying if they can get into the round after dying to get another try at it, no matter how it goes. By dismissing this option just because "It would be a reward for the antag", you are 100% denying the potential player agency and interaction for the players that are still on the round observing and would surely kiss some ass to get back into the round as anything. This is a stupid game and people want to stupidly play it, use your head. Send 10 events of ERT in a row with advanced weaponry if you want. Spawn clowns. I don't know...

At the end of the day, what did this admin accomplish for the betterment of that round by using the admin tools after being killed by a murderboner? (excluding themself of course)
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Post by Mothblocks » #591329

They're not getting better, considering you've been doing this for months and months. They're leaving. They're leaving to avoid you.

Wanting them to get "better" means forcing everyone to grind out the combat as much as you do, when this game is not designed to be a damn team deathmatch.
By principle, let's be honest and say this was approached by one of the cringiest angles possible already.
All of us are. Nobody is defending the admin in question. Like Cobby said, this is just a more entertaining (and hopefully productive) conversation to have.
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Post by Tlaltecuhtli » #591330

calm down oranges, if he was playing as catgirl you would be already going on strike to get the admin who griefed him deadminned
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I think you're confusing me with someone else tlat
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Post by ArcaneDefence » #591333

Agux909 wrote:you are 100% denying the potential player agency
I have embraced the mentality of allowing players the agency to ruin their own experience. Congratulations, you're the king of ruins. No one cares.
I'm not going to take it upon myself to improve situations that people systematically attempt to tear apart from the seams at the start. It's not my job to create the core gameplay loop that people have optimized into horizontals.

Not a fan of smites being applied after their IC encounter because of this shitmess that comes from it, and that's the same reason why whenever I get in these situations I just vote to restart and leave if it fails.
I have no motivation to be the victim of someone being a sweaty tryhard trying to push the game to its mechanical limits all the time.
Being round removed minutes into the start of a shift because the first thing I did wasn't gather a weapon simply isn't fun to me.
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Post by CoffeeDragon16 » #591335

If you care about improving player combat abilities roll assistant and announce fight training in the dorms arena. I'm sure people would show up for this, given your robust reputation, and really appreciate it. Some doctor would enjoy setting up emergency care nearby for all the bloodshed that will occur. Please consider doing this.
I've seen this and took part, and it actually made me significantly better at fighting. I do think Korol was there, and I'd like to see it happen more often. Murderboning to the extent he does effectively means that 90% of the server isn't allowed to play that round because he rolls antag.
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Post by jackrip » #591336

Jaredfogle wrote:They're not getting better, considering you've been doing this for months and months. They're leaving. They're leaving to avoid you.

Wanting them to get "better" means forcing everyone to grind out the combat as much as you do, when this game is not designed to be a damn team deathmatch.
Without any data this is just shit talking. I could say we lost players because of the community backlash to the code being put out (something I hear about all the time lol, I've never had someone tell me they left bagil because of me). I have helped many people come up and become competent in combat, who later went on to defeat me many times over. I see the growth all the time. While its not the entire game, combat is an essential part of the ss13 experience and players should be versed in it.

Yes, I love to murderbone, it's fun. Yes, I love to train people and make them better, it's fun. I've been doing this for years, not months. Remember 2018, the Lexia black era? We murderboned back then too. I learned from lexia, from prosper, so many taught me and showed me that the only way to get good is to get in there and fight. You aren't going to learn how to cqc destroy someone with PVE.
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Post by jackrip » #591337

CoffeeDragon16 wrote: I've seen this and took part, and it actually made me significantly better at fighting. I do think Korol was there, and I'd like to see it happen more often. Murderboning to the extent he does effectively means that 90% of the server isn't allowed to play that round because he rolls antag.
I think they will survive 25 minutes without spacemans. Especially with our new dynamic systems, how many ghost roles is that thing churning out
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jackrip wrote: Without any data this is just shit talking.
Sure. Just for you (and for me as well), I've calculated what I call the "average population dropoff" of everyone who's rolled traitor enough times on Bagil to get a consistent data set not influenced by things like leaving because there was also a cult, or because it was dead pop, or whatever. This is calculated from the number of people readied roundstart of the round you got antagonist, and the number of people of the round afterwards. The scale is a bit fucked (I think 2 means 20%, 4 means 40% etc?), I'll see what's up with that if you'd like, but "0" represents that the population did not shift.

The higher you are on the Y-axis, the more people have left after the round you're an antagonist in. The X-axis is your number of traitor rounds, that's just there because I like scatter plots, but because it shows more consistency.

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I can provide the Jupyter notebooks I used to create these graphs (cited from both the feedback database I have access to, and a collection of all Bagil logs from 2021) if you'd like.

As you can see, you're near the top. You're only beaten to a major extent by 2 people.

This does not include the anecdotal testimony I've heard when idling in Sybil OOC. I can see if I can provide something more concrete, as I don't want to pass that off as evidence. I am happy to collect more data if you believe it can actually make an impact on the way you play this game.
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Post by Kendrickorium » #591339

jackrip wrote:there are so many things in this thread that hurt me

people saying if I hadn't killed the admin he would have been justified in ruining my round for 27 pop bone

people talking about me being a lowpop mass murderer when it was a 27 pop shift

coffee lying yet again

admins trying to shift the entirety of the blame of servers being lowpop on me

getting called a massive shitter like I'm just here to ruin tgstation and not help yall get better at combat and give the crew a challenge.
i really try to balance my playstyle with being reasonable, I reduce a lot of pain where others who murderbone don't. I call the shuttle immediately, I mix it up with interesting gimmicks, I don't even lowpop murderbone that shit is a myth, if someone says I do please come forward with evidence. there's just so much vitriol at this point, the admins seem to have become completely blind to everything I do that isn't murderboning.

I do my job, I help new players, I make friends and I try to be an active part of the community. I murderbone, but I murderbone as painlessly as possible. Yet here I am, burned at the stake with zero evidence or stats, just pure blind hatred.

I try to do right by the community but all you see is the bone, you never see anything that doesn't fit your stereotype of me.
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Post by Naloac » #591340

This thread has completely devolved into discussing murder boning in general when it should probably be geared towards the quite obvious admin abuse case :honkman:

*also murderboning is fun as fuck and wont stop being the *thing to do as antag* until antags get less kill shit stuff and more weird stupid shit./ objectives that have some sort of real difficulty to do*
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Naloac wrote:This thread has completely devolved into discussing murder boning in general when it should probably be geared towards the quite obvious admin abuse case :honkman:
There's a good reason we're talking about murder boning in general. That is because this is a:
Naolac wrote: quite obvious admin abuse case
There's nothing to discuss there. It was bus and nobody is defending it.
Cobby wrote: To be clear I’m not talking about krus the complaint is so obvious it would have been cringe to say the same thing for however many pages so it’s more interesting to discuss murderbone
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Post by Tlaltecuhtli » #591342

so 2 people left?
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also contractor is just more fun traitor
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Post by Armhulen » #591344

oranges wrote:he's actually losing it live !

I think my favourite bit is his suggestion that the only possible type of conflict there is is one person murdering everyone on the station
>bagil is the server everyone is on, always highpop
>old player joins and murderbones every round
>new players go to sybil, bagil is always lower pop now
>old players are left with other old players who play in ways to make people leave, annoyed admins, and new players who get hounded until they learn to go to sybil instead
>old players log into forums and post "BAGIL IS IN A TERRIBLE STATE"
you cant make this up

edit: and i almost forgot, the cycle always repeats
>sybil is the server everyone is on, always highpop
>old player joins and murderbones
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Post by Kendrickorium » #591345

Jaredfogle wrote:They're not getting better, considering you've been doing this for months and months. They're leaving. They're leaving to avoid you.

pretty sure people are leaving because you pushed out obnoxious game control altering code

korol or anyones murderboning can be annoying but people have literally 3 other fucking servers to play on not to mention plenty of downstream servers

like others have said, punish appropriately, give the antag missions, find a way to make it fun for EVERYONE. that's your fucking job in addition to making sure people arent breaking rules.

I know you all do it for free but your job is not fucking pressing buttons because someones playstyle annoys you
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Kendrickorium wrote: pretty sure people are leaving because you pushed out obnoxious game control altering code
Weird, last I remember Sybil is on the same codebase as Bagil. It's been a while, I'll double check later.
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Post by Agux909 » #591348

ArcaneDefence wrote:
Agux909 wrote:you are 100% denying the potential player agency
I have embraced the mentality of allowing players the agency to ruin their own experience. Congratulations, you're the king of ruins. No one cares.
I'm not going to take it upon myself to improve situations that people systematically attempt to tear apart from the seams at the start. It's not my job to create the core gameplay loop that people have optimized into horizontals.

Not a fan of smites being applied after their IC encounter because of this shitmess that comes from it, and that's the same reason why whenever I get in these situations I just vote to restart and leave if it fails.
I have no motivation to be the victim of someone being a sweaty tryhard trying to push the game to its mechanical limits all the time.
Being round removed minutes into the start of a shift because the first thing I did wasn't gather a weapon simply isn't fun to me.
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Post by XivilaiAnaxes » #591349

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that graph say that on average each round after Jack as antag has 2 less people on roundstart?

Is that really conclusive evidence that he damages the server?
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