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https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 42#p591042XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but does that graph say that on average each round after Jack as antag has 2 less people on roundstart?
Is that really conclusive evidence that he damages the server?
Jaredfogle wrote: I think 2 means 20%, 4 means 40% etc?
Yes. That's what I've been saying.XivilaiAnaxes wrote: Is it possible those people are just shifting to another server?
Watch out with that lol posting mate, you might get global forum 1'd in a peanut thread-- think: "what will this post bring to the conversation"Agux909 wrote:lol
MAd because unrobusrtoranges wrote:this is a peanut thraed you dumb bitch, go and shove your head up your own ass instead of using it to lick jackrips you fucking beta
every time lmaoArmhulen wrote:>bagil is the server everyone is on, always highpoporanges wrote:he's actually losing it live !
I think my favourite bit is his suggestion that the only possible type of conflict there is is one person murdering everyone on the station
>old player joins and murderbones every round
>new players go to sybil, bagil is always lower pop now
>old players are left with other old players who play in ways to make people leave, annoyed admins, and new players who get hounded until they learn to go to sybil instead
>old players log into forums and post "BAGIL IS IN A TERRIBLE STATE"
you cant make this up
edit: and i almost forgot, the cycle always repeats
>sybil is the server everyone is on, always highpop
>old player joins and murderbones
holy shit are you actually stupid, did you even understand the modelling in the graph they posted? It's the percentage of people who leave in a round where someone is traitor, not a global decline in playerbase.Kendrickorium wrote:Jaredfogle wrote:They're not getting better, considering you've been doing this for months and months. They're leaving. They're leaving to avoid you.
pretty sure people are leaving because you pushed out obnoxious game control altering code
jackrip wrote:Without any data this is just shit talking.
Also, have you ever seen someone experience this level of being blown the fuck out in one post before?mothblocks wrote: That chad graph
how do you type these things with drool constantly pouring onto your keyboardKendrickorium wrote: pretty sure people are leaving because you pushed out obnoxious game control altering code
Well it made you post again for starters. lolArcaneDefence wrote:Watch out with that lol posting mate, you might get global forum 1'd in a peanut thread-- think: "what will this post bring to the conversation"Agux909 wrote:lol
Bobbah,bobbahbrown wrote:good morning wineallwine,WineAllWine wrote:Most of the comments here are irrelevant, the complaint wouldn't hold any water if the admin hadn't died to the antag.
If they had logged on and observed and did these smites (or more) no-one could claim this was punishable behaviour.
Doing this after dying to the person you're smiting looking like admin abuse, and that's all there is to it.
i have chosen an extract taken from the admin rules listed under the admin conduct page on the wiki, which i suspect you are familiar with:
to this extent, i feel as though your comment of 'no-one could claim this was punishable behaviour' is not foundationally true, as one could claim it is a violation of your rules.Don't cheat. Do not use admin powers for your own benefit. Don't use your powers to abuse other players.
best wishes,
bobbah 'bee' brown
Malkraz wrote:Did you try killing him
basedFarquaar wrote:Malkraz wrote:Did you try killing him
I think TGMC probably does that better, as they can focus more exclusively on combat than we canXivilaiAnaxes wrote:What if Bagil is just the designated bloodbath server
so the results are that i cause a 15% player dropoff and am bested by people like dootdoom and jusuph lol. like i told you in discord i was originally talking about players leaving tg as a whole, i don't disagree that people leave when someone murderbones and go to another server. this is why i call the shuttle asap, to minimize the amount of people who leave to go play sybil. this is also why i've been taking it easier on the bagilites recently.Jaredfogle wrote:data
god you dont know how happy it makes me to see everything i've been saying for months echoed before i get there. this is catharticArcaneDefence wrote:I think TGMC probably does that better, as they can focus more exclusively on combat than we canXivilaiAnaxes wrote:What if Bagil is just the designated bloodbath server
If you know that what you do hurts the population as a whole, then trying to "mitigate" it in the way you're doing is like constantly kicking sand in peoples faces, offering them paper towels, then wondering why nobody comes to the beach anymore.jackrip wrote: i don't disagree that people leave when someone murderbones and go to another server. this is why i call the shuttle asap, to minimize the amount of people who leave to go play sybil. this is also why i've been taking it easier on the bagilites recently.
they should be inside anyways don't you know there is a pandemicJaredfogle wrote:If you know that what you do hurts the population as a whole, then trying to "mitigate" it in the way you're doing is like constantly kicking sand in peoples faces, offering them paper towels, then wondering why nobody comes to the beach anymore.jackrip wrote: i don't disagree that people leave when someone murderbones and go to another server. this is why i call the shuttle asap, to minimize the amount of people who leave to go play sybil. this is also why i've been taking it easier on the bagilites recently.
its more like a deep seated sadness every time i see you postoranges wrote:the absolute salt lmao
am i not supposed to just keep playing like its 2018 hoping that one day it will be againwesoda25 wrote:In jackrips defense he is what I would call a “good faith” murderboner, if you don’t consider those things to be mutually exclusive. Obviously he does it for himself, every murderboner does. But he doesn’t spam recall, intentionally leaves a few openings, and in general is just blowing off steam in a way that at the very least is not intended to be malicious. I’ve never really cared about murderboning until lately because it really does fuck with bagil pop - which is something I do care about.
IMO the problem extends beyond lowpop murderbone because if all you do is wait until pop moves past what we consider “low” and start murderboning, you’re systematically, even if unintentionally/unknowingly, beating the population into the dirt and keeping it low. Back in 2018 it was all good and fun (even I joined in, and still do on the very rare occasion) because we had a consistently bulky population which honestly blows my mind by todays standards (pop regularly approaching triple digits).
But now that’s not the case, although I’m definitely not naive enough to attribute it solely or primarily to murderboning. Bagil died off and has been on a hard path back to more stable population. Part of me is curious, in an abstract sort of way, what would happen if we banned/restricted murderbone on lower/fluctuating pop servers. There is absolutely no guarantee that type of policy would secure good results, and I can even imagine a few potentially damaging ones that might arise from it, but I’m curious!
mad?Kendrickorium wrote:Jaredfogle wrote:They're not getting better, considering you've been doing this for months and months. They're leaving. They're leaving to avoid you.
pretty sure people are leaving because you pushed out obnoxious game control altering code
korol or anyones murderboning can be annoying but people have literally 3 other fucking servers to play on not to mention plenty of downstream servers
like others have said, punish appropriately, give the antag missions, find a way to make it fun for EVERYONE. that's your fucking job in addition to making sure people arent breaking rules.
I know you all do it for free but your job is not fucking pressing buttons because someones playstyle annoys you
damn can't believe the multiplayer only game which relies on the user-base to provide interaction and fun has a different user-base than 2 years ago; and the game that's also known for getting daily/weekly updates from coders tweaking/adding/reworking features also plays differently than it did 2 years agojackrip wrote: am i not supposed to just keep playing like its 2018 hoping that one day it will be again
Probably correct? Doesn't sound like you have come to terms with it to me. As for me being the issue, well maybe, but people have been murderboning far before I was around, and I'm definitely not the only one to do it. Also, according to mothblocks data I only make us lose 15% pop and am bested by dootdoom and heliob, maybe you should set your sights on the true villains like jusuph or dootdoom. I mean jusuph has 500 ping average and manages to make pop drop off as much as me, we should probably ban him.oranges wrote:You know, you're probably correct, but I have come to terms with it, whereas you still seem to think you're not the problem.
Hope you figure it out one day kid
good postCobby wrote:Do people who constantly murderbone not understand that
1) they are not the only murderbone main and especially in higher pop it can be several rounds in a row where people are doing this garbage
2) murderboning is easily the biggest reason why the servers dropped creative uses of antags. People want to play the game (surprise surprise) so eventually they get fed up with having to sit out for most of the time and start slowly gearing up more and more as well as start kosing antags regardless of action (because they don’t want to get their round ruined), which in turn means people just murderbone more since any creative use of the role gets rewarded with sitting out as well. Murderboning does not just ruin the round you’re in, it ruins the ability for antags to run gimmicks in later rounds because you now have people on edge.
People bitch over highly chaotic admin-inspired events and I can assure you this would be complaint city if it happened repeatedly for several rounds, but players who create a similar environment are not only allowed to do so but are also encouraged to do so since there is no recourse for people who only play to ensure others do not.
Rule 4 is the only rule people will die hard follow without any desire to allow context and other rules, such as rule 1, to be considered, and then the same people who enforce it can’t understand why people go to manuel or other servers (and you hope they’re staying on tg) because they literally cannot play the game except in the play style of tdm because anything else just has you sitting around for an hour thirty.
if killing is misbehavior i don't want to be a good boyoranges wrote:mate, it's pretty clear you've been hit in a sore point, instead of addressing the clear data indicating your misbehaviour is a problem, you have deflected the entire point into an argument about how I am worse than you, despite the fact I wasn't the one who posted any of the data.
but just to continue this one sided beat down of you and your views.
here is the graph of player retention since we began collecting player connections
you'll notice that it remains steady and indeed has grown under my reign, helped by the sseth tide.
They should try out roblox too; playing competitive games against small children and top-scoring every round sounds right up their alley and they don't even have to die to see people complain in deadchatQustinnus wrote:jackrip sounds like someone that should stick to singleplayer games
maybe if some of the most important variables in the codebase weren't being held hostage by MSO then we could probably lower the amount of murderboneNaloac wrote:This thread has completely devolved into discussing murder boning in general when it should probably be geared towards the quite obvious admin abuse case
*also murderboning is fun as fuck and wont stop being the *thing to do as antag* until antags get less kill shit stuff and more weird stupid shit./ objectives that have some sort of real difficulty to do*
Two thoughts on this in a really messy post: it's really hard to untangle current systems without the idea of gutting anything and starting from the bottom (we can't just remove a department and a massive gutting calls to remove more). And the other thought is that Essentially we're trying to offer years and years of content when obvs that's incredibly impossible as that's something only mobas have done with mechanics focused on stretching game time for reward as thin as possible in intentionally addictive waysSuper Aggro Crag wrote:maybe if c*ders would make the game fun people wouldn't be tempted to murderbone
this implies you are playing the game and are therefore a player; but your idea of engaging with the game is just killing everyone else and then getting out of your computer chair and doing fortnite dances; but there's way more game mechanics and social interactions to be had than just turning 32x32 sprites horizontal by clicking on them and making 30 people have to alt tab for half an hour.jackrip wrote:This has turned into the classic coders v players. coders usually think whatever oranges says, and the players usually go for the opposite of that
that is just a low blowchesse20 wrote:but your idea of engaging with the game is just killing everyone else and then getting out of your computer chair and doing fortnite dancesjackrip wrote:This has turned into the classic coders v players. coders usually think whatever oranges says, and the players usually go for the opposite of that
chesse20 wrote:this implies you are playing the game and are therefore a player; but your idea of engaging with the game is just killing everyone else and then getting out of your computer chair and doing fortnite dances; but there's way more game mechanics and social interactions to be had than just turning 32x32 sprites horizontal by clicking on them and making 30 people have to alt tab for half an hour.jackrip wrote:This has turned into the classic coders v players. coders usually think whatever oranges says, and the players usually go for the opposite of that