Jackrip complaint peenut

[thehogshotgun]

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https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 42#p591042

I don’t like jackrip, he’s ruined many an antag round of mine but...for fucks sake man this jannie is such a fucking loser

[Misdoubtful]

can we get back to how murderbone is actually good for the playerbase, i have a few points i want to bring up

I'd like to see a pros and cons

[Armhulen]

can we get back to how murderbone is actually good for the playerbase, i have a few points i want to bring up

go ahead it's your peanut

[bobbahbrown]

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You've reached a Le Fishe checkpoint, anon. Congrats on making it this far into the thread. Pull up a seat, and take a break before you continue on your journey.

a good post by mr alphonzo in a world of turmoil

with haste,
bobbah 'bee' brown

[jackrip]

can we get back to how murderbone is actually good for the playerbase, i have a few points i want to bring up

that graph shows a man who has 500-1000 ping on average scoring the same as me. so if that data is to be believed any kind of traitoring at all is going to kill the population bucko

also 15%? That aint even bad

[NoxVS]

can we get back to how murderbone is actually good for the playerbase, i have a few points i want to bring up

Spoiler:

that graph shows a man who has 500-1000 ping on average scoring the same as me. so if that data is to be believed any kind of traitoring at all is going to kill the population bucko

also 15%? That aint even bad

"murderbone is beneficial"
"its not that big of an issue with how many people quit when i play"
make up your mind coward

[jackrip]

okay this is specifically directed to oranges no one else look at it please

murderbone inspires certain players
1. i admired lexia black coming up and their sprees inspired me to become a better gamer
2. others have told me the same thing about their experiences

it may not help everyone get better, a lot of people might completely hate it, but there will absolutely be people inspired by the talent and want to become better themselves.

if you combo that with actual training (teaching people in boxing ring, holodeck, etc) you can teach a significant part of the community how to fight. and you might even make some turbo gamers out of it

[Mothblocks]

but we're not oranges why did u post it again

can i read it plz

[jackrip]

only once

[Mothblocks]

okay, it looks like what i said earlier still holds true then:

You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't. If you want a game that is actually designed around TDM, I suggest TGMC.

[NoxVS]

a lot of people might completely hate it

case closed gang

but there will absolutely be people inspired by the talent and want to become better themselves.

if you combo that with actual training (teaching people in boxing ring, holodeck, etc) you can teach a significant part of the community how to fight. and you might even make some turbo gamers out of it

"murderbone is good because it inspires people to murderbone"

[Misdoubtful]

a lot of people might completely hate it

case closed gang

but there will absolutely be people inspired by the talent and want to become better themselves.

if you combo that with actual training (teaching people in boxing ring, holodeck, etc) you can teach a significant part of the community how to fight. and you might even make some turbo gamers out of it

"murderbone is good because it inspires people to murderbone"

I get uhhhhhhhh, these kinda vibes here:

'A self-fulfilling prophecy is the sociopsychological phenomenon of someone "predicting" or expecting something, and this "prediction" or expectation coming true simply because the person believes it will[1] and the person's resulting behaviors align to fulfill the belief.'

If we murderbone and expect its what people want because they also murderbone in turn meaning that others will murderbone, where will the cycle stop?

[jackrip]

a lot of people might completely hate it

case closed gang

but there will absolutely be people inspired by the talent and want to become better themselves.

if you combo that with actual training (teaching people in boxing ring, holodeck, etc) you can teach a significant part of the community how to fight. and you might even make some turbo gamers out of it

"murderbone is good because it inspires people to murderbone"

no murderbone is good because its murderbone and its good

it just has the side effect of making great gamers. would bruce wayne have become batman if his parents hadn't been shot in the face in front of his stupid little rich kid eyes

[thehogshotgun]

can we get back to how murderbone is actually good for the playerbase, i have a few points i want to bring up

go ahead it's your peanut

Uhm actually

[thehogshotgun]

a lot of people might completely hate it

case closed gang

but there will absolutely be people inspired by the talent and want to become better themselves.

if you combo that with actual training (teaching people in boxing ring, holodeck, etc) you can teach a significant part of the community how to fight. and you might even make some turbo gamers out of it

"murderbone is good because it inspires people to murderbone"

I get uhhhhhhhh, these kinda vibes here:

'A self-fulfilling prophecy is the sociopsychological phenomenon of someone "predicting" or expecting something, and this "prediction" or expectation coming true simply because the person believes it will[1] and the person's resulting behaviors align to fulfill the belief.'



If we murderbone and expect its what people want because they also murderbone in turn meaning that others will murderbone, where will the cycle stop?

It shall never end, and I wouldn’t want it any other way

[jackrip]

okay, it looks like what i said earlier still holds true then:

You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't. If you want a game that is actually designed around TDM, I suggest TGMC.

I want people to be robust enough to not need spears or bolas

[Misdoubtful]

a lot of people might completely hate it

case closed gang

but there will absolutely be people inspired by the talent and want to become better themselves.

if you combo that with actual training (teaching people in boxing ring, holodeck, etc) you can teach a significant part of the community how to fight. and you might even make some turbo gamers out of it

"murderbone is good because it inspires people to murderbone"

I get uhhhhhhhh, these kinda vibes here:

'A self-fulfilling prophecy is the sociopsychological phenomenon of someone "predicting" or expecting something, and this "prediction" or expectation coming true simply because the person believes it will[1] and the person's resulting behaviors align to fulfill the belief.'



If we murderbone and expect its what people want because they also murderbone in turn meaning that others will murderbone, where will the cycle stop?

It shall never end, and I wouldn’t want it any other way

Maybe its good, maybe its bad — and maybe certain bone is healthy and fun and maybe others are miserable and bad for rounds!

But, the idea that it would make good players that in reality HAVE to be geared, gaming, or murderbone themselves (to either counter getting boned or kill people that WILL kill them) feels like a Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme.

[ArcaneDefence]

I want people to be robust enough to not need spears or bolas

These kind of people make better antags which then makes people need spears or bolas.
Or whatever cheesy bullshit garbage is completely unfair and uninteresting as the latest flavor of the week.

Boy, I sure am glad I've not had to deal with a hulk with nanites throwing a body at me, using a forcefield projector to lock me in place and deny me the ability to just click on their sprite as they start to clamp amputation shears on my head...

... oh wait....

[jackrip]

there is nothing more painful than going to arrest a geneticist only to find out they are a cultist hulk wearing a biohood

[thehogshotgun]

a lot of people might completely hate it

case closed gang

but there will absolutely be people inspired by the talent and want to become better themselves.

if you combo that with actual training (teaching people in boxing ring, holodeck, etc) you can teach a significant part of the community how to fight. and you might even make some turbo gamers out of it

"murderbone is good because it inspires people to murderbone"

I get uhhhhhhhh, these kinda vibes here:

'A self-fulfilling prophecy is the sociopsychological phenomenon of someone "predicting" or expecting something, and this "prediction" or expectation coming true simply because the person believes it will[1] and the person's resulting behaviors align to fulfill the belief.'



If we murderbone and expect its what people want because they also murderbone in turn meaning that others will murderbone, where will the cycle stop?

It shall never end, and I wouldn’t want it any other way

Maybe its good, maybe its bad — and maybe certain bone is healthy and fun and maybe others are miserable and bad for rounds!

But, the idea that it would make good players that in reality HAVE to be geared, gaming, or murderbone themselves (to either counter getting boned or kill people that WILL kill them) feels like a Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme.

There isn’t much reason to my belief, the weak will be conquered by the strong, if they do not become more robust. I don’t care about the weak, I am an objectivist manifest. If I may raise others to the position of murderboner I see that as a happy side effect, not a goal.

[CDranzer]

You know I actually kind of don't hate murderboners, like at least when some asshole comes running at you with an e-sword you have justifiable cause to defend yourself
What shits me is when somebody approaches you in the hall and asks to "talk to you in private" and every part of your being is telling you to just launch a pre-emptive strike and try to gouge his eyes out with whatever tools you have on hand but on the 1 in 10 chance you're wrong you're going to get bwoinked to shit so you just have to sigh and play along and oh whoop there's the stun wow haha who could have guessed time to eat shit

[Farquaar]

The best shifts are the ones that end with the station utterly destroyed and >75% of the crew dead. Both to watch, and to play.

[Tlaltecuhtli]

there are more people leaving cause of mapvote forcing kilo or after fastmos made rounds unbearable but i guess the coder copers are looking for a scapegoat on why pop globally lost like 20%

[Mothblocks]

there are more people leaving cause of mapvote forcing kilo or after fastmos made rounds unbearable but i guess the coder copers are looking for a scapegoat on why pop globally lost like 20%

holy shit are you actually stupid, did you even understand the modelling in the graph they posted? It's the percentage of people who leave in a round where someone is traitor, not a global decline in playerbase.

I know assistant mains are stupid but this is really taking the cake

[iwishforducks]

don't they teach you GREY TIDERS (yeah.... i meant that as an INSULT) how to read graphs in the fourth grade?

[Rohen_Tahir]

a lot of people might completely hate it

case closed gang

but there will absolutely be people inspired by the talent and want to become better themselves.

if you combo that with actual training (teaching people in boxing ring, holodeck, etc) you can teach a significant part of the community how to fight. and you might even make some turbo gamers out of it

"murderbone is good because it inspires people to murderbone"

I get uhhhhhhhh, these kinda vibes here:

'A self-fulfilling prophecy is the sociopsychological phenomenon of someone "predicting" or expecting something, and this "prediction" or expectation coming true simply because the person believes it will[1] and the person's resulting behaviors align to fulfill the belief.'



If we murderbone and expect its what people want because they also murderbone in turn meaning that others will murderbone, where will the cycle stop?

It shall never end, and I wouldn’t want it any other way

Maybe its good, maybe its bad — and maybe certain bone is healthy and fun and maybe others are miserable and bad for rounds!

But, the idea that it would make good players that in reality HAVE to be geared, gaming, or murderbone themselves (to either counter getting boned or kill people that WILL kill them) feels like a Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme.

There isn’t much reason to my belief, the weak will be conquered by the strong, if they do not become more robust. I don’t care about the weak, I am an objectivist manifest. If I may raise others to the position of murderboner I see that as a happy side effect, not a goal.

spessman game social darwinism

[BONERMASTER]

it just has the side effect of making great gamers. would bruce wayne have become batman if his parents hadn't been shot in the face in front of his stupid little rich kid eyes

HOW DID YOU GUYS MISS THIS??

[terbs]

thank you bonermaster, very cool!

[pugie]

I blame fastmos

Also lol graph with figures everywhere that means nothing surprise people leave the game after they die???
What's the solution? Don't die??? Yeah I think so but you can either code in perma-greenshift or let people get robust...............

[jackrip]

I blame that little stun you get after resisting out of an aggro grab

[Rohen_Tahir]

okay, it looks like what i said earlier still holds true then:

You seem to be under the fallacy that reinforcing that Bagil is a TDM shithole where you must carry bolas and spears on you at all times, while looking for the next valid to hunt down is a positive change to the server. I don't. The data suggests other people don't. If you want a game that is actually designed around TDM, I suggest TGMC.

I want people to be robust enough to not need spears or bolas

You are autistic. This is a diagnosis. Take Risperidone.

[XDTM]

I really don't understand what would make SS13 attactive for deathmatch gameplay, if you want to defeat a serverful of players the whole battle royale genre is pretty much perfect for the murderbone mentality of one-vs-everyone, and there's several with varying combat mechanics to choose from. And being games focused on that combat, those mechanics are in most cases better developed and balanced than a laggy byond-based atmos simulator.

If i were to be uncharitable i'd imagine that what makes SS13 a superior platform for murderboners is the abundance of unskilled people to serve as victims, and the increased "significance" of killing, since they're irl locked out of the round for a significant amount of time once killed.

[BONERMASTER]

If i were to be uncharitable i'd imagine that what makes SS13 a superior platform for murderboners is the abundance of unskilled people to serve as victims, and the increased "significance" of killing, since they're irl locked out of the round for a significant amount of time once killed.

Nah man, they'd never do something like that. All they want to do is kill your parents and turn you into the next batman LOL

[Naloac]

I really don't understand what would make SS13 attactive for deathmatch gameplay, if you want to defeat a serverful of players the whole battle royale genre is pretty much perfect for the murderbone mentality of one-vs-everyone, and there's several with varying combat mechanics to choose from. And being games focused on that combat, those mechanics are in most cases better developed and balanced than a laggy byond-based atmos simulator.

If i were to be uncharitable i'd imagine that what makes SS13 a superior platform for murderboners is the abundance of unskilled people to serve as victims, and the increased "significance" of killing, since they're irl locked out of the round for a significant amount of time once killed.

cos murderboning is difficult and fun cos of all the systems and all the ways people can interact to kill the murderboner. also what about if we had some sort of machine that remade peoples bodies at full health so they could quickly get back into a round? Maybe like cloning perhaps?

[kieth4]

Shit like this doesn't happen on Terry. Play on Terry. US servers are easy mode anyway

[Mothblocks]

I really don't understand what would make SS13 attactive for deathmatch gameplay, if you want to defeat a serverful of players the whole battle royale genre is pretty much perfect for the murderbone mentality of one-vs-everyone, and there's several with varying combat mechanics to choose from. And being games focused on that combat, those mechanics are in most cases better developed and balanced than a laggy byond-based atmos simulator.

If i were to be uncharitable i'd imagine that what makes SS13 a superior platform for murderboners is the abundance of unskilled people to serve as victims, and the increased "significance" of killing, since they're irl locked out of the round for a significant amount of time once killed.

cos murderboning is difficult and fun cos of all the systems and all the ways people can interact to kill the murderboner. also what about if we had some sort of machine that remade peoples bodies at full health so they could quickly get back into a round? Maybe like cloning perhaps?

this is a pretty good example on how constant daily murderboning necessitates worse design and a worse game if you don't nip the bud ?

[pugie]

fast gas too!!!!!

[Polish_User]

How to quick call shuttle on /tg/ 2021:
>Be traitor
>Buy syndicate bomb
>plant somewhere near hallways (medbay will do)
>Let it explode
>Air escapes quickly thanks to quickmos

There you go! Shuttle called around 20 minutes in! No murderbone required!!!

[CastorTroy23]

Another game master janitor who thinks he can do what he wants because of his boomer role

[terranaut]

Another game master janitor who thinks he can do what he wants because of his boomer role

this
it's time to abolish the game master role

[joooks]

if murderboning is so bad then why do we still have rule 4

[Cobby]

Simple: because you don’t have anyone on the headmin platform interested in changing it.

[Nabski]

The best shifts are the ones that end with the station utterly destroyed and >75% of the crew dead. Both to watch, and to play.

Can't you read the thread? The best shifts are the ones where the most crew survives and the only people dead were directly required to be killed by the traitor for their objective, who the traitor then brought to robotics where they had a pre-waiting shell ready for them. This maximizes the RP time that everyone can spend in the bar fleshing out their very unique and memorable characters, like Doug the black haired white assistant who enjoys baccus blessing and crafting spears.

[XDTM]

The best shifts are the ones that end with the station utterly destroyed and >75% of the crew dead. Both to watch, and to play.

Can't you read the thread? The best shifts are the ones where the most crew survives and the only people dead were directly required to be killed by the traitor for their objective, who the traitor then brought to robotics where they had a pre-waiting shell ready for them. This maximizes the RP time that everyone can spend in the bar fleshing out their very unique and memorable characters, like Doug the black haired white assistant who enjoys baccus blessing and crafting spears.

As everyone knows, in SS13 rounds are either bar-rp greenshifts or everyone getting killed by a greyshirt in a gasmask twenty minutes in, there is no such thing as a healthy balance

[NoxVS]

The best shifts are the ones that end with the station utterly destroyed and >75% of the crew dead. Both to watch, and to play.

Can't you read the thread? The best shifts are the ones where the most crew survives and the only people dead were directly required to be killed by the traitor for their objective, who the traitor then brought to robotics where they had a pre-waiting shell ready for them. This maximizes the RP time that everyone can spend in the bar fleshing out their very unique and memorable characters, like Doug the black haired white assistant who enjoys baccus blessing and crafting spears.

As everyone knows, in SS13 rounds are either bar-rp greenshifts or everyone getting killed by a greyshirt in a gasmask twenty minutes in, there is no such thing as a healthy balance

I know, right? I say that systematically removing everyone from being able to play the game solely because you are free to do so is harmful to the server, and all of the sudden there are a bunch of people who barely even play anymore come crawling out from who knows where to say that I just want constant greenshifts and am incapable of surviving more than 5 minutes outside the bar

There can be fun rounds with a fuckton of chaos. There can be fun rounds without much happening. The chaotic rounds stop being fun when the threat is some guy who has been burnt out and should have quit or become an admin ages ago, but is instead using the lamest methods to guarantee they can keep as many people as possible from playing the game. The slower rounds stop being fun when literally nothing is happening or the only threat is an antag who decided to be friendly and join security. Neither are fun for anyone except a single person.

[Super Aggro Crag]

just range ban people's IPs with in a certain distance of the server so that they don't have good ping. then they can't murderbone but can still try to kill as many people as they want

[Tlaltecuhtli]

give players a stun resistance buff and extra hp based on their ping

[thehogshotgun]

The best shifts are the ones that end with the station utterly destroyed and >75% of the crew dead. Both to watch, and to play.

Can't you read the thread? The best shifts are the ones where the most crew survives and the only people dead were directly required to be killed by the traitor for their objective, who the traitor then brought to robotics where they had a pre-waiting shell ready for them. This maximizes the RP time that everyone can spend in the bar fleshing out their very unique and memorable characters, like Doug the black haired white assistant who enjoys baccus blessing and crafting spears.

As everyone knows, in SS13 rounds are either bar-rp greenshifts or everyone getting killed by a greyshirt in a gasmask twenty minutes in, there is no such thing as a healthy balance

I know, right? I say that systematically removing everyone from being able to play the game solely because you are free to do so is harmful to the server, and all of the sudden there are a bunch of people who barely even play anymore come crawling out from who knows where to say that I just want constant greenshifts and am incapable of surviving more than 5 minutes outside the bar

There can be fun rounds with a fuckton of chaos. There can be fun rounds without much happening. The chaotic rounds stop being fun when the threat is some guy who has been burnt out and should have quit or become an admin ages ago, but is instead using the lamest methods to guarantee they can keep as many people as possible from playing the game. The slower rounds stop being fun when literally nothing is happening or the only threat is an antag who decided to be friendly and join security. Neither are fun for anyone except a single person.

Unrobust

[Mothblocks]

The best shifts are the ones that end with the station utterly destroyed and >75% of the crew dead. Both to watch, and to play.

Can't you read the thread? The best shifts are the ones where the most crew survives and the only people dead were directly required to be killed by the traitor for their objective, who the traitor then brought to robotics where they had a pre-waiting shell ready for them. This maximizes the RP time that everyone can spend in the bar fleshing out their very unique and memorable characters, like Doug the black haired white assistant who enjoys baccus blessing and crafting spears.

This is what happens when you mix the current attempt to codify murderbone into rule legalese (the one in the MRP rules) with bad faith.

[Farquaar]

There can be fun rounds with a fuckton of chaos. There can be fun rounds without much happening. The chaotic rounds stop being fun when the threat is some guy who has been burnt out and should have quit or become an admin ages ago, but is instead using the lamest methods to guarantee they can keep as many people as possible from playing the game. The slower rounds stop being fun when literally nothing is happening or the only threat is an antag who decided to be friendly and join security. Neither are fun for anyone except a single person.

I like plasmafires. I enjoy dying in a fruitless last stand against an army of spiders. I enjoy watching the lone survivor of a ruined station find an escape pod while the bad guy is looking for him. I giggle like a madman when a wizard blows me to pieces with a fireball for literally no reason other than because he can. And yes, I enjoy running for my life while a crazed serial killer chases me down.

This is what happens when you mix the current attempt to codify murderbone into rule legalese (the one in the MRP rules) with bad faith.

Bingo.

[TWATICUS]

Another game master janitor who thinks he can do what he wants because of his boomer role

#notallgamemasters

[Kendrickorium]

OOC: Supah Duper: guy name korolo konzt or something kill me why he do that