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by **terranaut** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:17 pm #594186

viewtopic.php?t=28687&p=594185#p594185

rule11 is sub-saharan imho tbqh fam

by **Malkraz** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:18 pm #594187

This is the exact kind of shit I was telling you dopes was going to happen when Rule 11 was created lmao
This is the problem with Rave's platform, you will get people with retarded ideas like IQ is racism and now that's bigotry because in their special world they said so

by **Flatulent** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:21 pm #594188

vote rave radbury and join malkraz in three months
also why is sub-saharan iq considered a racist term? im unfamiliar with the statistics maybe the banning admin could explain the reasoning here
i truly believe (myself and malkraz) that sub-saharans are extremely intelligent as evident from iq statistics which i assure you i havent seen so i naturally optimistically view it

by **pugie** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:26 pm #594189

Admins need to get a thicker skin if this is the kind of thing people say makes you a bigot and gets you noted and banned.
Seriously. Getting too politically correct here, and...

It is not our goal to create or enforce a list of banned words and instead our goal to eject bigotry from the community. Enforcement will be less PC based and more common sense based with that goal in mind.

idk calling people sub saharan iq havers is funny and yeah maybe a tad racist but it's not really bigotry to the degree that we should have to police it. Let's not forget we're all adults here, we should be able to take a joke & shouldn't be dealing with stuff like this and instead people with ckeys with 1488 or open nazis who say "kill naggers" etc.

by **Malkraz** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:26 pm #594190

Americans on average have sub-100 IQ. This is an unintelligent level
https://www.healthline.com/health/average-iq#average-iq

The average IQ in the United States is 98.

BAN ME!!!!

by **Malkraz** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:27 pm #594191

It is not our goal to create or enforce a list of banned words and instead our goal to eject bigotry from the community. Enforcement will be less PC based and more common sense based with that goal in mind.

"Common sense" and "PC" are entirely defined by the people enforcing the rule. To Sylphet, I'm sure it's common sense that my statement was highly bigoted as they've expressed in my thread.

by **Flatulent** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:27 pm #594192

Malkraz wrote:
It is not our goal to create or enforce a list of banned words and instead our goal to eject bigotry from the community. Enforcement will be less PC based and more common sense based with that goal in mind.

idk calling people sub saharan iq havers is funny and yeah maybe a tad racist but it's not really bigotry to the degree that we should have to police it. Let's not forget we're all adults here, we should be able to take a joke & shouldn't be dealing with stuff like this and instead people with ckeys with 1488 or open nazis who say "kill naggers" etc.

"Common sense" and "PC" are entirely defined by the people enforcing the rule. To Sylphet, I'm sure it's common sense that my statement was highly bigoted as they've expressed in my thread.[/quote]
malkraz is sub-sub-saharan iq because he fucked up the quote

by **Malkraz** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:29 pm #594194

SHUT THE FUCK UP BEE BEES HAVE LIKE 6 IQ

by **Flatulent** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:30 pm #594195

last time i checked there were no 'malkraz' socks so shut the fuck up

by **bobbahbrown** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:33 pm #594196

is sylphet implying that saying sub-saharan people are low IQ == saying a certain race is low IQ....

i imagine there is more than one race in sub-saharan africa... kind of sus for them to think of one race though...

best wishes,
bobbah 'bee' brown,

by **pugie** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:34 pm #594197

I think it's time to get rid of rule 11

by **Eskjjlj** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:35 pm #594198

Hmm yes Manuelmins

by **Malkraz** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:41 pm #594201

pugie wrote:I think it's time to get rid of rule 11

The day it was implemented was the time to get rid of it. It makes sense on Discord because Discord has their own rules, and banning express attacks on players themselves is fine. It was obvious from day 1 it was going to regress into horse shit like this note.

by **FloranOtten** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:45 pm #594203

bro it's not racist if it's true bro look at these crime stats bro clearly rule 11 has gotten out of hand we need to remove it

by **Malkraz** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:46 pm #594204

FloranOtten wrote:bro it's not racist if it's true bro look at these crime stats bro clearly rule 11 has gotten out of hand we need to remove it

I was talking about the medics sorry kid not an IQ debate

by **TWATICUS** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:55 pm #594205

Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil

by **Tlaltecuhtli** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:08 pm #594207

australians live under the saharan desert

by **Super Aggro Crag** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:17 pm #594208

its a geographical region not a race of people, elon musk is a sub-saharan african and that motherfucker be pasty as hell and smokes the big weedus

by **Malkraz** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:30 pm #594210

Super Aggro Crag wrote:its a geographical region not a race of people

I literally do not even know the demographic split and I don't care
The average IQ of the medbay is extremely low

by **Cobby** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:35 pm #594211

Just wait until retard Is gone

by **Tlaltecuhtli** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:36 pm #594212

comparing someone to a sybil player is an heavy insult

by **Malkraz** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:41 pm #594213

Not my fucking fault Bagil is dead
You fuckers did that while I was taking a break

by **Kangtut** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:16 pm #594217

by **Malkraz** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:25 pm #594221

bruh ur last post was a year ago don't do this to me bagil is literally 3/90 when I play HELP

by **Not-Dorsidarf** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:26 pm #594222

Super Aggro Crag wrote:its a geographical region not a race of people, elon musk is a sub-saharan african and that motherfucker be pasty as hell and smokes the big weedus

I was gonna call u out on this and be like "Hah no you fool its just the area between the sahara and the congo"

then i was struck with a moment of doubt and googled it and crag is right again wtf?

by **Gigapuddi420** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:50 pm #594225

sort of ambivalent on whether this should be upheld or struck off as frankly it's a weak ass comment to warn for even if it does fall under the purview of rule 11. I doubt Malkaz put much thought into it beyond a spicy way of calling someone stupid. It's kind of funny for him and others to play out the old song of dance of "oh I'm not being racist, just stating the facts", kind of cowardly but I guess in this post rule 11 world that's how you roll.

The note wasn't worth the drama.

by **Agux909** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:55 pm #594226

So if someone called shitsec to be incompetent as Nigerian police (just googled which country had the weakest police, first result), would that make that individual immediately bigoted and therefore a rule 11 breaker in the eyes of Sylphet?

Something about this criteria feels extremely wrong and I can't shake the feel.

by **Malkraz** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:56 pm #594227

Gigapuddi420 wrote:I doubt Malkaz put much thought into it beyond a spicy way of calling someone stupid.

Pretty much. You and I both know if I wanted to be racist I would've just called them something like ape-brained mednogs and it wouldn't even be the first time. I have no reason to sneak one past admins when I happily do it openly.
And I don't even think THAT'S a rule 11 break with how it's been enforced up to now, either. Rule 11 has primarily been for targeted attacks and explicit OOC.

by **Gigapuddi420** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:58 pm #594228

Agux909 wrote:So if someone called shitsec to be incompetent as Nigerian police (just googled which country had the weakest police, first result)

I too, do this all the time. Fucking assistants, they are like *googles US crime statistics* uhhhhhhhhhhh

by **Omega_DarkPotato** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:22 pm #594230

I guess this really is a sybil moment

bad players, bad jannies
we're all bad together

I only play sybil

by **keepforgettingpw** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:32 pm #594232

MSO himself literally referenced some very spicy and racey colorful language from Crag as the very kind of shit that rule 11 is NOT supposed to be used for. The man himself that created the rule.

Yet we've been seeing it used for the very stuff it was never meant to cover, idle jokes and generic insults.

It kind of makes the stance of "We're using it to get rid of REAL bigotry" hold substantially less weight when you ban/note someone for calling someone stupid in a funny way.

by **nianjiilical** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:36 pm #594233

i thought they meant the temperature of the sahara

by **Qustinnus** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:37 pm #594234

its pretty clear the admins in that appeal have sub-saharan IQ

by **Super Aggro Crag** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:49 pm #594237

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:its a geographical region not a race of people, elon musk is a sub-saharan african and that motherfucker be pasty as hell and smokes the big weedus

I was gonna call u out on this and be like "Hah no you fool its just the area between the sahara and the congo"

then i was struck with a moment of doubt and googled it and crag is right again wtf?

another one

by **Malkraz** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:56 pm #594238

keepforgettingpw wrote:MSO himself literally referenced some very spicy and racey colorful language from Crag as the very kind of shit that rule 11 is NOT supposed to be used for. The man himself that created the rule.

Got a link to that?

by **IkeTG** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:57 pm #594239

admins literally still pretending that africa is a continent

by **Super Aggro Crag** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:04 pm #594245

IkeTG wrote:admins literally still pretending that africa is a continent

africa is incontinent *shits*

by **IkeTG** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:54 pm #594253

Super Aggro Crag wrote:
IkeTG wrote:admins literally still pretending that africa is a continent

africa is incontinent *shits*

BASSED

by **keepforgettingpw** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:55 pm #594254

Malkraz wrote:
keepforgettingpw wrote:MSO himself literally referenced some very spicy and racey colorful language from Crag as the very kind of shit that rule 11 is NOT supposed to be used for. The man himself that created the rule.

Got a link to that?

Why yes, yes I do

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27490&p=575518#p575518

and in fact read the whole thread, it's a goldmine of both based Crag posts and actual insight onto the rule itself by the host that the admins seem to just ignore

by **NoxVS** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:26 pm #594257

keepforgettingpw wrote:
Malkraz wrote:
keepforgettingpw wrote:MSO himself literally referenced some very spicy and racey colorful language from Crag as the very kind of shit that rule 11 is NOT supposed to be used for. The man himself that created the rule.

Got a link to that?

Why yes, yes I do

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27490&p=575518#p575518

and in fact read the whole thread, it's a goldmine of both based Crag posts and actual insight onto the rule itself by the host that the admins seem to just ignore

correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure MSO is saying it is fine because the slur is being used as an example, and not actually being said.

by **MortoSasye** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:42 pm #594259

NoxVS wrote:
keepforgettingpw wrote:Why yes, yes I do

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27490&p=575518#p575518

and in fact read the whole thread, it's a goldmine of both based Crag posts and actual insight onto the rule itself by the host that the admins seem to just ignore

correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure MSO is saying it is fine because the slur is being used as an example, and not actually being said.

MrStonedOne wrote:Just for reference, this is a perfect example of an appropriate use of a slur under the new rules, and why i won't blanket ban slurs. While it would be easy for a bigot to use the "for example" dog whistle to try and bypass the rules, there isn't any reason to believe SAC is doing so here.

by **IkeTG** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:54 pm #594276

pugie wrote:I think it's time to get rid of rule 11

we don't pay you to think

by **oranges** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:54 pm #594277

oh no, I can't talk about regional IQ in ss13 ooc

anyway

by **Agux909** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:00 pm #594280

Domitius wrote:
There is literally no other way to interpret this than you intentionally meaning to demean a group of people. Then you try and defend being racist by citing statistics. We don't care if you're racist, we care about players expressing bigotry like you've done here.

This is just a note. It is both factually correct and is a clear violation of rule 11 so it will be upheld.

There is literally other ways to interpret this, like Malkraz using statistics about IQ in a territory to shit on fictional characters. Then Malkraz tries and reasonably defends their non-racism by explaining how they were just using a proven statistic from their results to shit on fictional characters. We do care if someone is being racist openly and maliciously towards a certain minority and Malkraz showed no sign of bigotry here.

This is a bad note. It is both factually incorrect and it is clearly not a violation of rule 11 so it shouldnt be upheld.

Can't believe headmins don't even understand how to interpret their own rules. MSO where are you??

by **oranges** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:03 pm #594281

I'm glad you had the intelligence to review your position and understand how stupid it was, most don't

by **IkeTG** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:15 pm #594283

Agux909 wrote:There is literally other ways to interpret this

yea that's usually how language works

by **cacogen** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:16 pm #594284

>Mississippi IQ medtards
Everyone would've known what you meant by this and you'd avoid the inevitable accusations of racism (and it does make you seem racist)

by **Agux909** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:18 pm #594285

IkeTG wrote:
Agux909 wrote:There is literally other ways to interpret this

yea that's usually how language works

It's good to be on the same page.

by **IkeTG** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:19 pm #594286

im not talking about books

by **MortoSasye** » Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:19 pm #594287

Agux909 wrote:There is literally other ways to interpret this, like Malkraz using statistics about IQ in a territory to shit on fictional characters. Then Malkraz tries and reasonably defends their non-racism by explaining how they were just using a proven statistic from their results to shit on fictional characters. We do care if someone is being racist openly and maliciously towards a certain minority and Malkraz showed no sign of bigotry here.

This is a bad note. It is both factually incorrect and it is clearly not a violation of rule 11 so it shouldnt be upheld.

Can't believe headmins don't even understand how to interpret their own rules. MSO where are you??

unsure if sarcasm or serious