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Post by Malkraz » #602466

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29231
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Post by XivilaiAnaxes » #602467

I thought dom was based too

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Re: secnut tidenut

Post by Flatulent » #602470

>armory is opened BECAUSE OF BLOB so having stun batons is now ok because clearly during blob you need people to have stun batons
>stun batons
>blob
>stun batons
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Re: secnut tidenut

Post by Not-Dorsidarf » #602473

Yeah, having a stunbaton during a blob as a wanted assistant *should* be grounds to be gunned down on sight whether this smooth brain was actually trying to get him to stop by lazering him or not tbh
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Post by Agux909 » #602474

Nah this ban was completely deserved. This is one of the best examples for a case of the worst shitsec neuron activation. There is a blob and hallways on fire, yet they see a W and they can't help themselves. Monke sees wanted...

This officer has all the priorities twisted. When there's a blob and/or the situation calls for it, you chase for suspects later, first help taking care of the actual threat, arm anyone available and point them into the blob's direction, rescue people from the burning halls, if medbay is operational you make sure a stream of people arrives there, you even fight alongside confirmed criminals in a temporary truce for survival. If the station survives there will be time to validhunt later.

From the moment the officer tried to detain the assistant they were a dick, they prioritized valid mentality and, mistake or not, first thing they did was shooting lethals to them. Any expectation for the assistant to behave coldly and respond obediently to the "halt" after that is insanely ridiculous in this case.

In such chaos maybe the assistant was left on arrest after serving their sentence? Or maybe another officer got shoved and put them to arrest because of it earlier? No way to know, but Ws in such situation mean nothing at all, it's common sense. The assistant was currently not doing anything threatening, they were just running around the hallways and happened to be carrying a baton in a blob round. So what? Assistants run with ARs, Eguns and/or full gear when there's a blob.

I hate with all my soul officers that try to arrest a rando with wanted status when the station is destroyed to a high degree and there are common confirmed threats that will kill everybody. Bonus shitsec points if the shuttle is arriving in 5 mins. Don't do that! You can be shitsec without being a dick.
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Post by terranaut » #602475

theres literally no reason for this goober to have a stunner except to either be an asshole with or potentially do some antag objectives, ie. killing someone or stealing an item from them
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Deserved tbh
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Post by sinfulbliss » #602478

Problem was the lethal shots... Once he shot the lethal shots the whole thing was borked. Shoulda just dropped the axe and grabbed disabler from bag. I think stunning sec officer only makes you valid if it's not in response to an attempt on your life (or an apparent attempt on your life).

Definitely a tough case though. If those had been 2 blue shots instead of 2 reds in the beginning, he'd be totally within his rights to kill Alex for the stun. But yeah, if all ya got is lethals because of the blob, you shouldn't bother trying to arrest anyone till that's over with.
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Re: secnut tidenut

Post by Malkraz » #602480

NOOOOO DON'T SHOOT THE HECKIN REDERINOOOOS!!!
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Post by Cobby » #602481

Reminder that most people cba to fill in WHY they were set to arrest in the first place, so unless he was told why or it was put in the wanted notes, he has no idea what the assistant actually did wrong.

Could be stealing a sweet roll, could be picking off people and an officer put them on wanted before being killed.

Officer should have stun weaponry on him though, unless he’s hoarding guns in which case ban deserved anyways that’s the most annoying thing you can do in blob. He loses the protection if he is going for a kill instead of an arrest.

I don’t buy the “this officer should be tunnel visioned to the blob when the crew is also fighting it” though. There’s nothing wrong with arresting alleged nonantags even if you know there is a threat to the station, especially when you can’t tell who is an antag all the time (with blob you pretty much know they aren’t the only Antag anyways).
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Re: secnut tidenut

Post by Malkraz » #602484

If you fight back you're fucked and admins can't help you. Dom saying a stun baton (which he shouldn't even have) isn't a "violent response" is fucking retarded because 9 times out of 10 the stun is going to be followed by round removal. Bro just take the stuns dog just let him cuff you fam don't do anything until the e-sword comes out.
Playing mind reader and inserting an intent like "you immediately wanted to kill them" is becoming typical of these dopey rulings. Leave it to Dom to make me defend a sec player.
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bouta take a shit in this thread.
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Post by Jonathan Gupta » #602487

seccie gets fucked for killing assistant doing a stun. Even I(a used to tider(don't play much anymore))understand that if you stun sec, valid. When I stun sec anytime I understand I'm going to die or get my ass beat.
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Malkraz wrote:If you fight back you're fucked and admins can't help you. Dom saying a stun baton (which he shouldn't even have) isn't a "violent response" is fucking retarded because 9 times out of 10 the stun is going to be followed by round removal. Bro just take the stuns dog just let him cuff you fam don't do anything until the e-sword comes out.
Playing mind reader and inserting an intent like "you immediately wanted to kill them" is becoming typical of these dopey rulings. Leave it to Dom to make me defend a sec player.
The defense of this situation is the assistant is suppose to mindread the guy isn’t going to kill them though. It goes both ways which is why you (security) should start with stuns.

If he was trying to attack him unprovoked I’d be inclined to agree though, but it sounds like he fired lethal first then the assistant hit him back.

No reason to not carry non lethals on you especially if you do want to arrest people while fighting blob or whatever. If you want to play sec, get the appropriate sec gear (or just go assistant too because we aka admins haven’t figured out yet that people don’t play sec because assistants can do the same thing and admins don’t give them the same restrictions even though they’re acting like pseudo sec).
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Cobby wrote: I don’t buy the “this officer should be tunnel visioned to the blob when the crew is also fighting it” though. There’s nothing wrong with arresting alleged nonantags even if you know there is a threat to the station, especially when you can’t tell who is an antag all the time (with blob you pretty much know they aren’t the only Antag anyways).
No I agree with you here Cobby. I didn't mean to say one should tunnelvision the Blob. What I meant is the officer decided wrong on their priorities given the circumstances.
If they found themselves unable to non-lethally detain someone at that chaotic moment they should have let it go. We are players behind characters after all and can make calls depending on a situation, we aren't non-sentient indiscriminatory mobs. Officer made a bad call which escalated to a non-antag death. Maybe it's just more the way I play, but I can only talk from my personal playstyle/perspective and I believe the initial action was wrong and the ban is deserved.
Malkraz wrote:If you fight back you're fucked and admins can't help you. Dom saying a stun baton (which he shouldn't even have) isn't a "violent response" is fucking retarded because 9 times out of 10 the stun is going to be followed by round removal. Bro just take the stuns dog just let him cuff you fam don't do anything until the e-sword comes out.
Playing mind reader and inserting an intent like "you immediately wanted to kill them" is becoming typical of these dopey rulings. Leave it to Dom to make me defend a sec player.
I would agree with you if the assistant was the one who initiated the conflict. But it was the officer who did it, and lethally. Everything happening after the fact is consequence of this. Assistant having a baton, and SOP and Space Law mean nothing after the officer opens lethal fire unprovoked upon seeing a red W.

In short, the officer brought it upon himself to be attacked back by the assistant, and trying to deescalate was the least he should've done instead of jumping right for the kill
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Cobby wrote:
Malkraz wrote:If you fight back you're fucked and admins can't help you. Dom saying a stun baton (which he shouldn't even have) isn't a "violent response" is fucking retarded because 9 times out of 10 the stun is going to be followed by round removal. Bro just take the stuns dog just let him cuff you fam don't do anything until the e-sword comes out.
Playing mind reader and inserting an intent like "you immediately wanted to kill them" is becoming typical of these dopey rulings. Leave it to Dom to make me defend a sec player.
The defense of this situation is the assistant is suppose to mindread the guy isn’t going to kill them though. It goes both ways which is why you (security) should start with stuns.

If he was trying to attack him unprovoked I’d be inclined to agree though, but it sounds like he fired lethal first then the assistant hit him back.

No reason to not carry non lethals on you especially if you do want to arrest people while fighting blob or whatever. If you want to play sec, get the appropriate sec gear (or just go assistant too because we aka admins haven’t figured out yet that people don’t play sec because assistants can do the same thing and admins don’t give them the same restrictions even though they’re acting like pseudo sec).
Its even funnier than that this sec WAS carrying non lethals he just didnt want to drop his GAMER GEAR to pull it out (lasers dont go in bags)
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Re: secnut tidenut

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Cobby wrote:
Malkraz wrote:If you fight back you're fucked and admins can't help you. Dom saying a stun baton (which he shouldn't even have) isn't a "violent response" is fucking retarded because 9 times out of 10 the stun is going to be followed by round removal. Bro just take the stuns dog just let him cuff you fam don't do anything until the e-sword comes out.
Playing mind reader and inserting an intent like "you immediately wanted to kill them" is becoming typical of these dopey rulings. Leave it to Dom to make me defend a sec player.
The defense of this situation is the assistant is suppose to mindread the guy isn’t going to kill them though. It goes both ways which is why you (security) should start with stuns.

If he was trying to attack him unprovoked I’d be inclined to agree though, but it sounds like he fired lethal first then the assistant hit him back.
Nowhere did I say the assistant was in the wrong in his response (unless he ahelped after fighting back like a little bitch.) I would've fought back too because I'm a fucking gear goblin and want to keep my shit.
The only thing wrong in this situation is an admin getting involved because it's a typical scenario of escalation with limited information. I don't even care that dummy shot reds first because fighting back still fucks your right to an ahelp. Too bad!
If you choose to retaliate with violence, you in turn have opened yourself up to violence. If you choose this route, do not expect admins to help you out if you die, even if you were not the original instigator.
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Re: secnut tidenut

Post by Agux909 » #602496

Malkraz wrote: The only thing wrong in this situation is an admin getting involved because it's a typical scenario of escalation with limited information. I don't even care that dummy shot reds first because fighting back still fucks your right to an ahelp. Too bad!
If you choose to retaliate with violence, you in turn have opened yourself up to violence. If you choose this route, do not expect admins to help you out if you die, even if you were not the original instigator.
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This is a stupid oversimplification by rule lawyering. If the rulings were applied like you are implying here, then banbaiters would never get punished. This would give free pass to griefers to weaponize escalation.
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Post by Jonathan Gupta » #602497

Agux909 wrote:
Malkraz wrote: The only thing wrong in this situation is an admin getting involved because it's a typical scenario of escalation with limited information. I don't even care that dummy shot reds first because fighting back still fucks your right to an ahelp. Too bad!
If you choose to retaliate with violence, you in turn have opened yourself up to violence. If you choose this route, do not expect admins to help you out if you die, even if you were not the original instigator.
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This is a stupid oversimplification by rule lawyering. If the rulings were applied like you are implying here, then banbaiters would never get punished. This would give free pass to griefers to weaponize escalation.
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Post by Agux909 » #602499

Jonathan Gupta wrote: people always weaponize escalation, that's the name of the game baby.
How has this mentality been working for you lately on TG? Oh wait...
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Post by Jonathan Gupta » #602501

Agux909 wrote:
Jonathan Gupta wrote: people always weaponize escalation, that's the name of the game baby.
How has this mentality been working for you lately on TG? Oh wait...
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Post by IkeTG » #602511

the sec officer got owned mind your own f*eaking business jackboot
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Regardless if the ban was deserved or not, the initial bwoink exchange bothers the people greatly, and we want to point out the following thing:

"Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil"

This is a low RP server, with relaxed rules of engagement, meaning certain restrictions pertaining to conflict and violence do not apply here.
The key point to take away from here is, that the security officer was stunned by the assistant and saw them as an "antag". In low-RP it follows then that:

1. You are not obligated to treat antagonists that you would otherwise end up executing
2. You are not required to gain the captain's permission to execute an antagonist

It is a common tactic of admins to add severity to your charge by creating invalid claims and emotional arguments to trick you into making confessions for crimes that you never comitted, like admin Domitius did here:

"Reply from domitius to zybwivcz
Why didn't you try to bring him to medbay or to clear up the mistake?

Reply from domitius to zybwivcz
He was flashed and stunned on the ground. He was already harmless. You decided to execute. If the blob was such a high priority you shouldn't have taken time to kill them.
"

These arguments are invalid, they only serve to undermine the character of the person being interrogated. These points coming from a supposed experienced admin can lead to the conclusions that their use is either motivated by malice, or explained by gross incompetence.
The people believe there are reasonable arguments for both sides. However, the case was mishandled by the leading admin and therefore, the evidence garthered is inadmissiable and because the defendant remains innocent until proven guilty, the people plead NOT GUILTY!
Further, we recommend the defendant to press charges against the leading admin for misconduct to have an investigations team verify the integrity of the admin in question.


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MrStonedOne wrote:
BONERMASTER wrote:words
/tg/station is and has always been a mrp server.

Manuel is an attempt to wrangle back the downward sledge towards cancerous lrp and it will become all servers in good time.

Min Maxers and powergaming Play2Win cancers begone.
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Post by IkeTG » #602528

BONERMASTER wrote:Regardless if the ban was deserved or not, the initial bwoink exchange bothers the people greatly, and we want to point out the following thing:

"Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil"

This is a low RP server, with relaxed rules of engagement, meaning certain restrictions pertaining to conflict and violence do not apply here.
The key point to take away from here is, that the security officer was stunned by the assistant and saw them as an "antag". In low-RP it follows then that:

1. You are not obligated to treat antagonists that you would otherwise end up executing
2. You are not required to gain the captain's permission to execute an antagonist

It is a common tactic of admins to add severity to your charge by creating invalid claims and emotional arguments to trick you into making confessions for crimes that you never comitted, like admin Domitius did here:

"Reply from domitius to zybwivcz
Why didn't you try to bring him to medbay or to clear up the mistake?

Reply from domitius to zybwivcz
He was flashed and stunned on the ground. He was already harmless. You decided to execute. If the blob was such a high priority you shouldn't have taken time to kill them.
"

These arguments are invalid, they only serve to undermine the character of the person being interrogated. These points coming from a supposed experienced admin can lead to the conclusions that their use is either motivated by malice, or explained by gross incompetence.
The people believe there are reasonable arguments for both sides. However, the case was mishandled by the leading admin and therefore, the evidence garthered is inadmissiable and because the defendant remains innocent until proven guilty, the people plead NOT GUILTY!
Further, we recommend the defendant to press charges against the leading admin for misconduct to have an investigations team verify the integrity of the admin in question.


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Post by chocolate_bickie » #602530

Protecting tiders is why so many rounds become shitfests real fast
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Oh a tider shoved you and stole your baton? IC issue.

But don't lethal them naughty sec man, grey lives matter.
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Post by Agux909 » #602532

chocolate_bickie wrote:Protecting tiders is why so many rounds become shitfests real fast
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Oh a tider shoved you and stole your baton? IC issue.

But don't lethal them naughty sec man, grey lives matter.
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Post by Domitius » #602533

BONERMASTER wrote:Regardless if the ban was deserved or not, the initial bwoink exchange bothers the people greatly, and we want to point out the following thing:

"Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil"

This is a low RP server, with relaxed rules of engagement, meaning certain restrictions pertaining to conflict and violence do not apply here.
The key point to take away from here is, that the security officer was stunned by the assistant and saw them as an "antag". In low-RP it follows then that:

1. You are not obligated to treat antagonists that you would otherwise end up executing
2. You are not required to gain the captain's permission to execute an antagonist

It is a common tactic of admins to add severity to your charge by creating invalid claims and emotional arguments to trick you into making confessions for crimes that you never comitted, like admin Domitius did here:

"Reply from domitius to zybwivcz
Why didn't you try to bring him to medbay or to clear up the mistake?

Reply from domitius to zybwivcz
He was flashed and stunned on the ground. He was already harmless. You decided to execute. If the blob was such a high priority you shouldn't have taken time to kill them.
"

These arguments are invalid, they only serve to undermine the character of the person being interrogated. These points coming from a supposed experienced admin can lead to the conclusions that their use is either motivated by malice, or explained by gross incompetence.
The people believe there are reasonable arguments for both sides. However, the case was mishandled by the leading admin and therefore, the evidence garthered is inadmissiable and because the defendant remains innocent until proven guilty, the people plead NOT GUILTY!
Further, we recommend the defendant to press charges against the leading admin for misconduct to have an investigations team verify the integrity of the admin in question.


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Dearest BONERMASTER,

Due to the lack of funds and resources I will be representing myself as a peanut lawyer.

I would humbly like to tackle several of the points you brought up so we may engage this case on fair grounds.

The articles of discovery may be found in my first response to the ban appeal and are in the public record for all to see where possible.

To re-hash old ground Sybil has never been labelled a Low Roleplay Server(LRP). Though I understand that everyone takes a tongue in cheek approach to this and escalation is usually relaxed. With this perceived relaxed escalation in mind I would like to bring up a section of the logs here to hopefully change your mind or at least explain my train of thought.

The last shot before the stun shuffle.

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[2021-06-09 03:42:13.599] ATTACK: Zybwivcz/(Keaton Margaret) has shot John_Pootis/(Alex Barber) with the laser (NEWHP: 59.2)
The assistant is now at 59.2 HP. While not a critically low amount it has still placed them into a life or death situation at the deliberate action of the officer. Relaxed escalation should not mean officers can be starting off engagement with wanted criminals with lethal rounds. The actions of the officer showed no interest in an arrest with the continued pursuit while armed to the teeth.

I would like to next engage your argument about creating invalid claims and emotional arguments and to save all of us time I will trust that you understand the context.

Your quotes are taken out of context I believe. The first one was intended to discover why no attempt to clear up the mistake was taken. They explained they had the priority of the blob in the next room in mind.

Second quote I do concede was an emotional argument to my bewilderment why a member of security who is provided ample non-lethal tools decided to take time to kill them instead of finishing their intended arrest.

I would like to conclude though that neither of these arguments were used in their ban time. Murdering somebody unjustly has always fallen into the ballpark of "One day per kill" with plenty of wiggle room to lessen or throw it out if the player was genuinely following misinformation or was a legitimate mistake.

The people here have reasonable arguments for both sides and their argument about a stun baton being used on a security officer being considered "Violent" has merit. I concede that I agree with this point after going over the conversations and will take time today to address this.

However I will continue with my original verdict of Guilty as this was still over-escalation resulting in the murder of a non-antag.

With warm regards,
- Domitius
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MrStonedOne wrote:
BONERMASTER wrote:words
/tg/station is and has always been a mrp server.

Manuel is an attempt to wrangle back the downward sledge towards cancerous lrp and it will become all servers in good time.

Min Maxers and powergaming Play2Win cancers begone.
bro if this is the goal first of all, /tg/'s always been LRP, not MRP

and second of all, manuel right now is low LRP, might be best to just start over if you want more MRP servers
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also last i checked oranges prefers targetting the other servers above manuel though his opinions change every week
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Critawakets wrote:also last i checked oranges prefers targetting the other servers above manuel though his opinions change every week
>Implying oranges is a single person
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Agux909 wrote:
Malkraz wrote: The only thing wrong in this situation is an admin getting involved because it's a typical scenario of escalation with limited information. I don't even care that dummy shot reds first because fighting back still fucks your right to an ahelp. Too bad!
If you choose to retaliate with violence, you in turn have opened yourself up to violence. If you choose this route, do not expect admins to help you out if you die, even if you were not the original instigator.
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This is a stupid oversimplification by rule lawyering. If the rulings were applied like you are implying here, then banbaiters would never get punished. This would give free pass to griefers to weaponize escalation.
This is literally how it's always been done
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Rohen_Tahir wrote:
Critawakets wrote:also last i checked oranges prefers targetting the other servers above manuel though his opinions change every week
>Implying oranges is a single person
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Malkraz wrote:
Agux909 wrote:
Malkraz wrote: The only thing wrong in this situation is an admin getting involved because it's a typical scenario of escalation with limited information. I don't even care that dummy shot reds first because fighting back still fucks your right to an ahelp. Too bad!
If you choose to retaliate with violence, you in turn have opened yourself up to violence. If you choose this route, do not expect admins to help you out if you die, even if you were not the original instigator.
IC issue
This is a stupid oversimplification by rule lawyering. If the rulings were applied like you are implying here, then banbaiters would never get punished. This would give free pass to griefers to weaponize escalation.
This is literally how it's always been done
Not anymore it seems. Too bad.
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the fall of rome...
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I had enough interest to read half the first paragraph and the takeaway is that not being able to put your gun in your bag is retarded
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BONERMASTER wrote: "Reply from domitius to zybwivcz
Why didn't you try to bring him to medbay or to clear up the mistake?
Something I should actually bring up about that - by this point, Medbay was functionally nonexistent. Without the Treatment Center, which was a warzone being besieged with moderate success by the Blob, bringing him to medbay would have accomplished literally nothing.
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MrStonedOne wrote:
BONERMASTER wrote:words
/tg/station is and has always been a mrp server.

Manuel is an attempt to wrangle back the downward sledge towards cancerous lrp and it will become all servers in good time.

Min Maxers and powergaming Play2Win cancers begone.
jannies turning every server into manuel would explain a LOT
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Flatulent wrote:
MrStonedOne wrote:
BONERMASTER wrote:words
/tg/station is and has always been a mrp server.

Manuel is an attempt to wrangle back the downward sledge towards cancerous lrp and it will become all servers in good time.

Min Maxers and powergaming Play2Win cancers begone.
jannies turning every server into manuel would explain a LOT
Yeah this post shook me to my core despite knowing it was mostly tongue-in-cheek. LRP is FREEDOM, mannnnn. Easier for admins, easier for players. No hate on MRP if you like that kinda stuff though. It has its moments.
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MSO wrote:Min Maxers and powergaming Play2Win cancers begone.
Let me paint the scene for you my friend, in an MRP-friendly way you Manuelites will commiserate with.

The station is an epic battle between those who want to destroy, and those who want to thrive. The plasmaflood infernos, the disposals deathtraps, the deswording murderboners - these are what you are up against. Whether you're a botanist that just wants to plant, or a HoS searching for the threats 24/7 - everyone has these massive threats which can only exist in the chaos of LRP. You know they will be there, in one form or another, every single shift.

Are you going to wait there planting bananas until you meet your eventual death from the evil on the station, or are you going to arm yourself with max potency deathnettles in what is a terrible, hostile environment with a very low survival rate? Are you going to be the guy that dies in a vented room because your character "didn't need a toolbelt" for their job, or are you going to be the guy that tides a baton shiftstart and stamcrits a syndie in maints?

And the mature syndie won't complain about being validhunted - no. Why? Because they know they can only blame themselves for dying. They should have done it different. And they will next time. It's a beautiful battle between good and evil. Sure, there's room to chill, too. You got the bar, you got medbay, you got the chapel and can relax whenever you feel like. But at bottom it's a fight for survival. It's LRP and it's EXCITING.
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Post by oranges » #603087

I'm loving all these 2014 and onwards accounts trying to explain to me that tg isn't MRP

go back to whatever hole you climbed out of and die
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when the MRP is SUS.
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sinfulbliss wrote:
MSO wrote:Min Maxers and powergaming Play2Win cancers begone.
Let me paint the scene for you my friend, in an MRP-friendly way you Manuelites will commiserate with.

The station is an epic battle between those who want to destroy, and those who want to thrive. The plasmaflood infernos, the disposals deathtraps, the deswording murderboners - these are what you are up against. Whether you're a botanist that just wants to plant, or a HoS searching for the threats 24/7 - everyone has these massive threats which can only exist in the chaos of LRP. You know they will be there, in one form or another, every single shift.

Are you going to wait there planting bananas until you meet your eventual death from the evil on the station, or are you going to arm yourself with max potency deathnettles in what is a terrible, hostile environment with a very low survival rate? Are you going to be the guy that dies in a vented room because your character "didn't need a toolbelt" for their job, or are you going to be the guy that tides a baton shiftstart and stamcrits a syndie in maints?

And the mature syndie won't complain about being validhunted - no. Why? Because they know they can only blame themselves for dying. They should have done it different. And they will next time. It's a beautiful battle between good and evil. Sure, there's room to chill, too. You got the bar, you got medbay, you got the chapel and can relax whenever you feel like. But at bottom it's a fight for survival. It's LRP and it's EXCITING.
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Your character will frequently die, sometimes without even a possibility of avoiding it. Events will often be out of your control. No matter how good or prepared you are, sometimes you just lose.
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Post by FloranOtten » #603161

Critawakets wrote: bro if this is the goal first of all, /tg/'s always been LRP, not MRP

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2. You must obey orders given to you by revs are non humanss, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
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Rohen_Tahir wrote: 10.Losing is part of the game.
Your character will frequently die, sometimes without even a possibility of avoiding it. Events will often be out of your control. No matter how good or prepared you are, sometimes you just lose.
Indeed. No matter how good or prepared you are... So why not be as good and prepared as you can be?
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sinfulbliss wrote:
Rohen_Tahir wrote: 10.Losing is part of the game.
Your character will frequently die, sometimes without even a possibility of avoiding it. Events will often be out of your control. No matter how good or prepared you are, sometimes you just lose.
Indeed. No matter how good or prepared you are... So why not be as good and prepared as you can be?
Because that's autistic.
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Post by FloranOtten » #603170

sinfulbliss wrote:
Rohen_Tahir wrote: 10.Losing is part of the game.
Your character will frequently die, sometimes without even a possibility of avoiding it. Events will often be out of your control. No matter how good or prepared you are, sometimes you just lose.
Indeed. No matter how good or prepared you are... So why not be as good and prepared as you can be?
Because losing is part of the game. It's supposed to happen. Desperately trying everything you can to minimize losing always comes at the cost of the rest of the players. You're trying to escape part of the game. Don't.
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